A Discussion About White Supremacy In The United States

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The internet has shut pro-white sites and accounts down.

You guys own the racism on the internet now.

That's why I didn't say anything about the Internet, because I didn't want to give you any wiggle room, I said anywhere.

Learn to read dumb-dumb.

Black racism is far more mainstream and accepted.

It is harder to find a black person who isn’t racist than one who is.

Well that should be expected. When the white race claims they are superior but puts major investment into building multiple systems that holds back a supposedly inferior race. the people from the supposedly inferior race are going to wonder why and start assuming that the white race must be inferior because they need extra help.

 

[IM2]

The internet has shut pro-white sites and accounts down.

You guys own the racism on the internet now.

That's why I didn't say anything about the Internet, because I didn't want to give you any wiggle room, I said anywhere.

Learn to read dumb-dumb.

Black racism is far more mainstream and accepted.

It is harder to find a black person who isn’t racist than one who is.

Well that should be expected. When the white race claims they are superior but puts major investment into building multiple systems that holds back a supposedly inferior race. the people from the supposedly inferior race are going to wonder why and start assuming that the white race must be inferior because they need extra help.

This little kid isn't worth the time. What he calls black racism isn't racism and white racist sites have not been shut down.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The internet has shut pro-white sites and accounts down.

You guys own the racism on the internet now.

That's why I didn't say anything about the Internet, because I didn't want to give you any wiggle room, I said anywhere.

Learn to read dumb-dumb.

Black racism is far more mainstream and accepted.

It is harder to find a black person who isn’t racist than one who is.

Well that should be expected. When the white race claims they are superior but puts major investment into building multiple systems that holds back a supposedly inferior race. the people from the supposedly inferior race are going to wonder why and start assuming that the white race must be inferior because they need extra help.

Hmm, it becomes more, and more blatantly obvious that Blacks aren't equal.

I'm not sure why some Whites, like Brits behind segregation down South, or Dutch behind Apartheid down in South-Africa, thought otherwise.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The internet has shut pro-white sites and accounts down.

You guys own the racism on the internet now.

That's why I didn't say anything about the Internet, because I didn't want to give you any wiggle room, I said anywhere.

Learn to read dumb-dumb.

Black racism is far more mainstream and accepted.

It is harder to find a black person who isn’t racist than one who is.

Somehow Liberals will spin Black racists being treated better than White racists, as evidence of White privilege.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I do not understand the obsession of hunting for the few remaining White Racists in America and making a big deal out of them. Institutional Racism in America is gone and has been replaced by Racial favoritism for Black people. You will always be able to find individuals who hate other people because they are not like them. Your quest is futile.

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

There's no white supremacy in the United States. If you put as much energy into cleaning up your own neighborhoods and rotting subculture as you do whining and finger pointing at others you'd make a lot of progress.

Here we go again. "There is no white supremacy in the US", says the Asian.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

First arrivals at the Japanese evacuee community established in the Owens valley at Manzanar, California March 23, 1942. More than 800 were moved into the camps. AP Photo
By Brando Simeo Starkey @BrandoStarkey

“Go back to China!”

That ugly exclamation rattled the ears of editor Michael Luo who, with family and friends in tow, headed to get lunch at a nearby Korean restaurant on the Upper East Side streets of Manhattan last month. Luo wrote an open letter in the New York Times to the white woman who roared it, telling her how such verbal daggers sever Asian-Americans from their citizenship. “Maybe you don’t know this,” he penned, “but the insults you hurled at my family get to the heart of the Asian-American experience. It’s this persistent sense of otherness that a lot of us struggle with every day. That no matter what we do, how successful we are, what friends we make, we don’t belong. We’re foreign. We’re not American.”

Upon reading Luo’s open letter, my mind stewed on an uncomfortable truth about people like me who care deeply about racial justice — we often fail at positioning the grievances of Asian-Americans against white supremacy at the heart of the fight. We shower sympathy on black and brown people; Asian-Americans experience but a sprinkle. This begs for amelioration. We must understand that a national conversation about racism that ignores the plight of Asian-Americans carries an unforgivable omission.

Many consider the Asian-American story as bearing relatively few withering marks of traumatic racial struggle, partially explaining why their grievances attract scant attention. But that’s false.

Racist laws, stereotypes at work from the start
The Asian-American story began with Capt. George Menefie, who brought “Tony, an East Indian” into colonial Virginia in the early 1620s as a headright, meaning Menefie received 50 acres of land for importing Tony into the colony, which desperately needed laborers to keep England’s colonial experiment afloat. Indians continued to be brought into the New World. The Virginia Gazette, in July 1776, for example, recorded the escape of a “Servant Man named John Newton, about 20 Years of Age, 5 feet 5 or 6 Inches high, slender made, is an Asiatic Indian by Birth, has been about twelve Months in Virginia, but lived ten Years (as he says) in England, in the Service of Sir Charles Whitworth.”

Some, like Tony and John, were indentured servants, but other Indians were slaves. Thomas F. Brown and Leah C. Sims, historians, reported that “there was a significant contingent of ‘East Indian’ slaves in the colonial Chesapeake.” Just like the sons and daughters of Africa who worked the same land, the bodies of descendants of India were tools to enrich white lives. This land was not meant for them either.

Chinese workers, in 1849-50, began to immigrate to the U.S. mainland, fleeing wars and economic turmoil. They generally planned to labor for three to five years and return to China, seeking to earn money while taking advantage of the California gold rush, the alluring tales of riches having enchanted them into taking a long voyage to a foreign continent.

Vintage illustration of Chinese immigrants and gold miners in San Francisco in 1849, with a saloon, hotel, and general store; lithograph, 1926.

GraphicaArtis/Getty Images

White Californians’ initial welcoming of these new immigrants as industrious members of the community faded into racial resentment, particularly among lower-class whites, who saw them as labor competition. Blacks who ventured North during the Great Migration in the early 20th century met a similar fate, showing how anti-Asian discrimination often presaged discrimination against other people of color. The state of California then began codifying racism in law, a fact punctuated when, in 1854, the California Supreme Court ruled in People v. Hall that the testimony of a Chinese man who witnessed a murder was inadmissible against a white criminal defendant, chiefly because, per popular thought, the Chinese were “a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incapable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point. …”

Cary Chow, a Chinese-American ESPN anchor, recently wrote about a bigoted television segment hosted by Jesse Watters of Fox News. Watters went to New York City’s Chinatown to conduct man-on-the-street-style interviews and trafficked in anti-Chinese stereotypes. He approached one Asian vendor and said, “I like these watches. Are they hot?” Chow contended that Watters felt comfortable in mocking his ethnic group because Watters likely believed Asians “would not fight back, because historically, Asians have not.”

Much historical data, though, supports the opposite conclusion. When the city of San Francisco passed ordinances to prevent Chinese immigrants from operating commercial laundries, an industry they dominated in the city, they resisted oppression. They sued the city. They took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they seized victory with Yick Wo v. Hopkins in 1886. “Indeed between 1880 to 1900,” wrote Charles J. McClain in In Search of Equality: The Chinese Struggle against Discrimination in Nineteenth-Century America, “Chinese litigants carried some twenty appeals to the Supreme Court of the United States.” And way back in 1860, just a decade into their American journey, the Chinese community in San Anselmo, California, asked local white clergymen to hire a lobbyist to petition the state legislators to reject anti-Chinese bills under consideration. As McClain, a lecturer at University of California Berkeley Law School, found, “there is abundant evidence that the leaders of the nineteenth century Chinese community … were thoroughly familiar with American governmental institutions … and knew how to use those institutions to protect themselves. Far from being passive or docile in the face of official mistreatment, they reacted with indignation to it and more often than not sought redress in the courts.”

Black skin, in many ways, granted advantages over being of Asian descent. The Naturalization Act of 1870 granted perhaps the biggest such advantage. It extended naturalization rights to those of African ancestry, meaning foreign-born blacks, typically West Indians, could become naturalized citizens just like European whites. Asians, though, could not naturalize. The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, made anyone born in America citizens. Yet, for Asian immigrants like Bhagat Singh Thind, the naturalization act ignited anguish.

Thind, born in India, came to America when he was 24 years old, in 1913. He applied for citizenship and was granted it on the theory that Indians were not “Mongolians” but rather “Caucasians,” in other words, white, and thus eligible for naturalization. The Supreme Court, however, reversed that ruling, holding he was not white because most white Americans would never consider him a member of the white race. After the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind decision in 1923, 64 other Indians who naturalized lost their American citizenship. Vaishno Das Bagai, one such man, killed himself, writing in his suicide note:

I came to America thinking, dreaming and hoping to make this land my home. Sold my properties and brought more than twenty-five thousand dollars (gold) to this country, established myself and tried my very best to give my children the best American education.

In year 1921 the Federal court at San Francisco accepted me as a naturalized citizen of the United States and issued to my name the final certificate, giving therein the name and description of my wife and three sons. In last 12 or 13 years we all made ourselves as much Americanized as possible.

But they now come to me and say, I am no longer an American citizen. They will not permit me to buy my home and, lo, they even shall not issue me a passport to go back to India. Now what am I? What have I made of myself and my children? We cannot exercise our rights, we cannot leave this country. Humility and insults, who is responsible for all this? Myself and American government.

I do not choose to live the life of an interned person; yes, I am in a free country and can move about where and when I wish inside the country. Is life worth living in a gilded cage? Obstacles this way, blockades that way, and the bridges burnt behind.

One must also never forget the anti-Japanese World War II-era Supreme Court cases, Hirabayashi v. United States and Korematsu v. United States, two hideous decisions that debased the Supreme Court as an institution. In the Hirabayashi case, the court upheld the constitutionality of a curfew provision requiring that people of Japanese ancestry be in their “place of residence daily between the hours of 8 p.m. to 6 a.m.” In the Korematsu case, the Supreme Court upheld the internment of folk of Japanese descent.

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

The U.S. government provided hot meals for the first Japanese internees at the Santa Anita Race track reception center near Los Angeles on April 3, 1942.

AP Photo

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints. A century before, Asians were defined as inferior, because doing so promoted the interests of whites. But in the 1960s, the claim suddenly became Asians even economically outpaced whites because of their exemplary attitude. Just as blacks achieved victories against segregation and racial discrimination, some whites trotted out the argument that another racial minority was flourishing without the help of government assistance, the implicit question being “why aren’t you?” The notion that one racial minority group was advancing by working hard, minding their own business, and not complaining about the system was a rhetorical tactic for those who sought to justify their inaction on civil rights.

The racial justice community often ignores the plight of Asian-Americans because their successful image is frequently thrown in black and brown faces to silence their cries for improved treatment. This isolates Asian-Americans from other minorities who otherwise would be allies in the battle against anti-Asian bigotry. White supremacy’s divide-and-conquer strategy has proven formidable.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

We see, perhaps, the most harmful effects of this in educational contexts. Guofang Li, professor of Second Language and Literacy at Michigan State University, wrote that the model minority myth “misleads policy makers to overlook issues concerning Asian students and their needed services. Studies on instructional support for Asian English-as-a Second language students found that the model minority myth leads many to believe that Asian students will succeed with little support and without special programs and services. …” Li also noted that “the popular image of successful, high achieving ‘model minorities’ often prevents teachers and schools from recognizing the instructional needs and the psychological and emotional concerns of many underachieving Asian students.”

Active discrimination in the workplace
Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions. Researchers at the University of Toronto, Jennifer L. Berdahl and Ji-A Min, found that employees of East Asian descent, generally Chinese, Japanese and Korean, were stereotyped as high in competence but low in warmth and dominance, perpetuating “the idea that East Asians are ideal as subordinate employees, suited for technical competence positions, but are unqualified to be leaders and managers.”

This — referred to as the “bamboo ceiling” — explains why college and advanced degrees hold less worth for Asian-Americans than for whites. As professor Chang noted, “Returns on education rather than educational level provide a [good] indicator of the existence of discrimination. Many Asian Americans have discovered that they, like other racial minorities, do not get the same return for their educational investment as do their white counterparts.”

By not studying how racism impairs Asian-American lives, we underestimate and miss crucial intelligence on how white privilege sabotages the hopes and dreams of people of color. The Asian-American story differs from the black story which differs the Latino story, but each, along with the Native American story, must be examined and mastered. Each, when pieced together, form a puzzle that we must assess in all its troubling detail. The story that starts with “Tony, an East Indian” lays bare the fearsomeness and complexity of white supremacy.

Morality and wisdom dictate that we no longer discount the pain of our Asian-American brothers and sisters.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

You see Asian, you want kiss the white mans ass but that's what they have always thought abut you. So is this:

Warner Oland was a Swedish-American actor most remembered for playing several Chinese and Chinese-American characters: the Honolulu Police detective, Lieutenant Charlie Chan; Dr. Fu Manchu; and Henry Chang in Shanghai Express.

A white man played Charlie Chan. No different than the black face white actors we had to endure. Don't lecture us on what we need to do. Fix your mind Asian and stop being a sellout, cause you ain't white. We're doing what we need to do. Maybe you need to join us.

With all that against them, why are Asians not whining and crying like the blacks? Harvard even says it has a disproportionate number of Asians qualifying for entrance into Harvard. Asians were mistreated many decades after blacks, yet they score highest in schools and owning businesses. How is that possible?

The only people who say we are whining and crying are dumb racist whites who have been the ones whining and crying since 1776.. Asians have filed the most racial discrimination suits in the past few years, more than blacks have. OBTW Blacks own over 2 million businesses. 'Asians' are not doing as well as you want to claim. Japanese might be, but they are not all Asians plus Japanese got reparations. Only the dumbest Asians fall for it and as a group of people hey reject the shit you have just said.

The Truth About “The Asian Advantage” and “Model Minority Myth”

By Sahra Vang Nguyen

There is no “Asian Advantage” — there are only skewed stats to purport the model minority myth and a divide within the racial justice movement.

Even while recent articles by Nicholas Kristof for New York Times and Jennifer Lee for CNN attempt to offer a nuanced argument for Asian-American success stories, their titles alone are problematic: “The Asian Advantage” and “The secret to Asian Americans’ Success” immediately generalize and frame Asian Americans as the model minority. Stop, we are not.

First off, when people say “Asian American,” please remember that this describes a massive conglomerate of 48 countries, with distinct cultural differences and political histories in the United States (from exploited railroad labor, to the brain drain, to war refugees). By nature, anything that describes “Asian America” will essentially be a broad generalization.

Perhaps the two most buzz worthy phrases in this conversation are “Asians are the fastest growing racial group in the country” and taken from Kristof’s article, “Asian Americans have higher educational attainment than any other group in the United States, including whites.“ Cue fear of the “Asian Invasion” and resentment towards Asians for being the alleged model minority.

In case people have forgotten how to understand statistics, the rates behind “fastest growing” and “higher educational attainment” are proportional to the Asian population in America, not to whites. That being said, Asian Americans make up 5.4 percent of the U.S., population, while whites make up 77.4 percent; that means there are 17.2 million Asian Americans and 246.8 million white people in the United States — so everyone worried about “Asians taking over” can calm down.

Why are Asian Americans considered the fastest growing racial group in America right now? It’s not because they’re reproducing more rapidly than other groups. No. (Especially since Asian men are generally emasculated in mainstream America). As Jennifer Lee suggests, the growth is largely attributed to immigration law “which favors highly educated, highly skilled immigrant applicants from Asian countries,” — to ultimately benefit capitalist interests and enhance America’s economy.

In 2012, India and China (the two largest Asian ethnic groups in the U.S.) made up 71.6 percent of America’s brain drain, which would skew statistics that generalize Asian Americans as economically and academically more successful. Included in the top ten countries of the U.S.’s brain drain are also the Philippines, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan — which, in addition to family-sponsored visas for unification, partially explains why Asians are the “fastest growing racial group in America.” This description essentially means that the 5.8 percent Asian American population is almost at 10 percent — but still dramatically less than the black population (13.2 percent), Latino population (17.4 percent) and white population (77.4 percent).

In addition to the brain drain, the United States offers special visa programs (EB-5) for wealthy individuals outside of the country: if people invest $500,000 or $1 million in American development projects, they receive green cards for themselves and their families. While there are 11.3 million undocumented people living in the U.S. with the threat of deportation and family separation, wealthy individuals can buy their way in. Already, 25 percent of Chinese individuals worth more than $16 million have emigrated, with the United States as their top choice.

So when people talk about the “Asian Advantage” like it’s a truth, they are inadvertently talking about the “white agenda.”

Why did I say “white agenda” and not just “capitalist agenda”? Because it’s the (white dominated) U.S. government that encourages migration of wealthy & skilled Asians into the country, while simultaneously positioning Asian Americans as a “threat” to others. In addition, white males dominate CEO seats of Fortune500 companies, white males dominate seats in Congress, white males dominate Hollywood director seats, white males dominate University presidential seats and white males dominate U.S. Presidential seats. I don’t even need to show you a bar graph to prove these correlations — just look around. Perhaps people should be talking about the “white advantage.”

This article is not to discredit the success or talent of Asian Americans, it is to completely dispel the idea of the “Asian Advantage” because it is an ineffective approach to understanding the community’s nuances. Just like in every other community, there are people who are ridiculously successful (Oprah, Jay-Z, etc.) and there are people who are still sleeping on the streets.

The overall poverty rate in the U.S. is 14.3 percent; relative to their unique populations, the poverty rate for whites is 11.6 percent and Asian Americans is 11.7 percent. Yet no one is talking about the fact that Asian Americans have a higher poverty rate than whites. Why not? Probably because it doesn’t fit their portrayal of Asians as the model minority. Average per capita income for whites is $31k, while for Asian Americans it’s $24k. Asians make up 12 percent of the undocumented population (that’s 1.3 million undocumented Asians), while whites make up a reported zero percent. But nobody wants to talk about the poverty, unemployment and immigration problems when it comes to the Asian American community, because to do so would accurately align us in the fight for racial justice and hurt the white supremacist agenda (which historically, thrives with divide and conquer tactics).



Here’s where everyone loves to sensationalize the model minority myth: 18.5 percent of whites have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 45.7 million people), while 30 percent of Asians have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 5.1 million people). But don’t forget everything I just described above about the brain drain; in addition, universities (especially public ones like the University of California, which have 40 percent Asian student population) are welcoming to wealthy international students who pay higher international tuition. Regardless, while 30 percent versus 18.5 percent may draw a scary picture that Asians are taking over university seats, the truth is white Americans still dominate college campuses dramatically in actual numbers.

Again, when people talk about the Asian American population and its “disproportionate level” of higher educational attainment, the two largest ethnic groups in this conglomerate are Chinese and Indian, the same two groups most targeted by the U.S. brain drain. A more nuanced approach would be to disaggregate the information, and recognize that only 17 percent of Pacific Islanders, 14 percent of Cambodians, 13 percent of Laotians and 13 percent of Hmong people have a bachelor’s degree in the United States. Marginalized communities within the Asian American umbrella become overlooked and underserved because of false notions such as the “Asian Advantage” and “model minority myth.”

In moving forward, my suggestion is to stop asking the wrong, misleading questions which paint a false picture of the Asian American community. If we want to better understand the diverse and complex Asian American community, we need to start asking better, more informed questions, such as, “How can we provide a solution for the 1.3 million undocumented Asian people in the U.S. to live safely with their families? How can we increase college access and retention rates for Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? How can we better represent the the Asian American community through disaggregated data and locating non-identifying Asians whom struggle with language and cultural barriers? How can we better understand and support mental health issues within the Asian American community, also known for having the highest depression and suicide rates in the U.S.?”

How can we recognize when the narrative, regardless of whatever claimed attempt to be nuanced or liberal, is actually forwarding a white supremacist agenda over everything else? When white liberals pat Asians on the back and say “Good job at being the model minority,” who does that ultimately serve? Asian Americans have long been involved in the fight for racial justice, from demanding reparations for the Japanese Internment camps, to fighting for Ethnic Studies in San Francisco, to leading the Third World Liberation Front, and to marching alongside the Black Panther Party. The fight for racial justice must continue with more Asian Americans speaking their truths, rather than allow others to co-opt our narratives.

I celebrate the success, resilience, brilliance and hard work ethic of the Asian American community, while acknowledging that we have a long way to go before racial justice is achieved for ourselves and everyone else. So let’s continue doing what we’ve always done — working hard and knocking down walls.

The Truth About "The Asian Advantage" and "Model Minority Myth" | HuffPost

Average SAT, ACT and IQ Studies by demographic group. All adjusted to 100 for Whites for the purpose of comparison.

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

 

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I do not understand the obsession of hunting for the few remaining White Racists in America and making a big deal out of them. Institutional Racism in America is gone and has been replaced by Racial favoritism for Black people. You will always be able to find individuals who hate other people because they are not like them. Your quest is futile.

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

"Sites" are just areas on the internet. Even if there was no such thing a freedom of speech that wouldnt mean all white racists would be gone. What kind of retarded logic did you use to arrive at the conclusion that the less freedom of speech the less racists there are?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Probably because Asians were not enslaved for centuries and forced to the bottom of the social ladder.

The Chinese/Asians were at the bottom of our social ladder from building our railroads to being imprisoned in camps at the beginning of WW-II. Blacks were not.

When do you give up on playing the victim and begin to have some self-respect and personal responsibility? Ignore your black poverty pimps and follow the lead of the Asians, right down to their families, how their children are raised and the respect their children have for their parents. Notice I said parents, not parent.

Asians have never been at the bottom of the social ladder here in the US. Blacks have always occupied that position besides like I said Asians were not subjected to the centuries of slavery, loss of family, religion, and language like Blacks were.

Are you speaking about me personally or Blacks in general? If you are talking about me then dont worry. There is a reason I have achieved more success than you. I outworked whites and crushed every obstacle they placed in my way.

Nobody has been more oppressed than the Jews and they are the most successful people on the planet. Give me a break. As I said in the other thread it is your rotting subculture that is the problem. Black Americans as a whole have no desire to work hard and succeed.

Do you mean the white Jews or the original Black Hebrews? Please explain how the white Jews have been more oppressed? Where they ever enslaved? No. Did they have their culture, language, religion, and history robbed from them? No. Did they get and do they still receive massive help from other whites? Yes

Hitler, and Stalin not only enslaved Jews, but also Ukrainians, Russians, and Poles in mass among others.

 

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Here we go again. "There is no white supremacy in the US", says the Asian.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

First arrivals at the Japanese evacuee community established in the Owens valley at Manzanar, California March 23, 1942. More than 800 were moved into the camps. AP Photo
By Brando Simeo Starkey @BrandoStarkey

“Go back to China!”

That ugly exclamation rattled the ears of editor Michael Luo who, with family and friends in tow, headed to get lunch at a nearby Korean restaurant on the Upper East Side streets of Manhattan last month. Luo wrote an open letter in the New York Times to the white woman who roared it, telling her how such verbal daggers sever Asian-Americans from their citizenship. “Maybe you don’t know this,” he penned, “but the insults you hurled at my family get to the heart of the Asian-American experience. It’s this persistent sense of otherness that a lot of us struggle with every day. That no matter what we do, how successful we are, what friends we make, we don’t belong. We’re foreign. We’re not American.”

Upon reading Luo’s open letter, my mind stewed on an uncomfortable truth about people like me who care deeply about racial justice — we often fail at positioning the grievances of Asian-Americans against white supremacy at the heart of the fight. We shower sympathy on black and brown people; Asian-Americans experience but a sprinkle. This begs for amelioration. We must understand that a national conversation about racism that ignores the plight of Asian-Americans carries an unforgivable omission.

Many consider the Asian-American story as bearing relatively few withering marks of traumatic racial struggle, partially explaining why their grievances attract scant attention. But that’s false.

Racist laws, stereotypes at work from the start
The Asian-American story began with Capt. George Menefie, who brought “Tony, an East Indian” into colonial Virginia in the early 1620s as a headright, meaning Menefie received 50 acres of land for importing Tony into the colony, which desperately needed laborers to keep England’s colonial experiment afloat. Indians continued to be brought into the New World. The Virginia Gazette, in July 1776, for example, recorded the escape of a “Servant Man named John Newton, about 20 Years of Age, 5 feet 5 or 6 Inches high, slender made, is an Asiatic Indian by Birth, has been about twelve Months in Virginia, but lived ten Years (as he says) in England, in the Service of Sir Charles Whitworth.”

Some, like Tony and John, were indentured servants, but other Indians were slaves. Thomas F. Brown and Leah C. Sims, historians, reported that “there was a significant contingent of ‘East Indian’ slaves in the colonial Chesapeake.” Just like the sons and daughters of Africa who worked the same land, the bodies of descendants of India were tools to enrich white lives. This land was not meant for them either.

Chinese workers, in 1849-50, began to immigrate to the U.S. mainland, fleeing wars and economic turmoil. They generally planned to labor for three to five years and return to China, seeking to earn money while taking advantage of the California gold rush, the alluring tales of riches having enchanted them into taking a long voyage to a foreign continent.

Vintage illustration of Chinese immigrants and gold miners in San Francisco in 1849, with a saloon, hotel, and general store; lithograph, 1926.

GraphicaArtis/Getty Images

White Californians’ initial welcoming of these new immigrants as industrious members of the community faded into racial resentment, particularly among lower-class whites, who saw them as labor competition. Blacks who ventured North during the Great Migration in the early 20th century met a similar fate, showing how anti-Asian discrimination often presaged discrimination against other people of color. The state of California then began codifying racism in law, a fact punctuated when, in 1854, the California Supreme Court ruled in People v. Hall that the testimony of a Chinese man who witnessed a murder was inadmissible against a white criminal defendant, chiefly because, per popular thought, the Chinese were “a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incapable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point. …”

Cary Chow, a Chinese-American ESPN anchor, recently wrote about a bigoted television segment hosted by Jesse Watters of Fox News. Watters went to New York City’s Chinatown to conduct man-on-the-street-style interviews and trafficked in anti-Chinese stereotypes. He approached one Asian vendor and said, “I like these watches. Are they hot?” Chow contended that Watters felt comfortable in mocking his ethnic group because Watters likely believed Asians “would not fight back, because historically, Asians have not.”

Much historical data, though, supports the opposite conclusion. When the city of San Francisco passed ordinances to prevent Chinese immigrants from operating commercial laundries, an industry they dominated in the city, they resisted oppression. They sued the city. They took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they seized victory with Yick Wo v. Hopkins in 1886. “Indeed between 1880 to 1900,” wrote Charles J. McClain in In Search of Equality: The Chinese Struggle against Discrimination in Nineteenth-Century America, “Chinese litigants carried some twenty appeals to the Supreme Court of the United States.” And way back in 1860, just a decade into their American journey, the Chinese community in San Anselmo, California, asked local white clergymen to hire a lobbyist to petition the state legislators to reject anti-Chinese bills under consideration. As McClain, a lecturer at University of California Berkeley Law School, found, “there is abundant evidence that the leaders of the nineteenth century Chinese community … were thoroughly familiar with American governmental institutions … and knew how to use those institutions to protect themselves. Far from being passive or docile in the face of official mistreatment, they reacted with indignation to it and more often than not sought redress in the courts.”

Black skin, in many ways, granted advantages over being of Asian descent. The Naturalization Act of 1870 granted perhaps the biggest such advantage. It extended naturalization rights to those of African ancestry, meaning foreign-born blacks, typically West Indians, could become naturalized citizens just like European whites. Asians, though, could not naturalize. The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, made anyone born in America citizens. Yet, for Asian immigrants like Bhagat Singh Thind, the naturalization act ignited anguish.

Thind, born in India, came to America when he was 24 years old, in 1913. He applied for citizenship and was granted it on the theory that Indians were not “Mongolians” but rather “Caucasians,” in other words, white, and thus eligible for naturalization. The Supreme Court, however, reversed that ruling, holding he was not white because most white Americans would never consider him a member of the white race. After the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind decision in 1923, 64 other Indians who naturalized lost their American citizenship. Vaishno Das Bagai, one such man, killed himself, writing in his suicide note:

I came to America thinking, dreaming and hoping to make this land my home. Sold my properties and brought more than twenty-five thousand dollars (gold) to this country, established myself and tried my very best to give my children the best American education.

In year 1921 the Federal court at San Francisco accepted me as a naturalized citizen of the United States and issued to my name the final certificate, giving therein the name and description of my wife and three sons. In last 12 or 13 years we all made ourselves as much Americanized as possible.

But they now come to me and say, I am no longer an American citizen. They will not permit me to buy my home and, lo, they even shall not issue me a passport to go back to India. Now what am I? What have I made of myself and my children? We cannot exercise our rights, we cannot leave this country. Humility and insults, who is responsible for all this? Myself and American government.

I do not choose to live the life of an interned person; yes, I am in a free country and can move about where and when I wish inside the country. Is life worth living in a gilded cage? Obstacles this way, blockades that way, and the bridges burnt behind.

One must also never forget the anti-Japanese World War II-era Supreme Court cases, Hirabayashi v. United States and Korematsu v. United States, two hideous decisions that debased the Supreme Court as an institution. In the Hirabayashi case, the court upheld the constitutionality of a curfew provision requiring that people of Japanese ancestry be in their “place of residence daily between the hours of 8 p.m. to 6 a.m.” In the Korematsu case, the Supreme Court upheld the internment of folk of Japanese descent.

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

The U.S. government provided hot meals for the first Japanese internees at the Santa Anita Race track reception center near Los Angeles on April 3, 1942.

AP Photo

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints. A century before, Asians were defined as inferior, because doing so promoted the interests of whites. But in the 1960s, the claim suddenly became Asians even economically outpaced whites because of their exemplary attitude. Just as blacks achieved victories against segregation and racial discrimination, some whites trotted out the argument that another racial minority was flourishing without the help of government assistance, the implicit question being “why aren’t you?” The notion that one racial minority group was advancing by working hard, minding their own business, and not complaining about the system was a rhetorical tactic for those who sought to justify their inaction on civil rights.

The racial justice community often ignores the plight of Asian-Americans because their successful image is frequently thrown in black and brown faces to silence their cries for improved treatment. This isolates Asian-Americans from other minorities who otherwise would be allies in the battle against anti-Asian bigotry. White supremacy’s divide-and-conquer strategy has proven formidable.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

We see, perhaps, the most harmful effects of this in educational contexts. Guofang Li, professor of Second Language and Literacy at Michigan State University, wrote that the model minority myth “misleads policy makers to overlook issues concerning Asian students and their needed services. Studies on instructional support for Asian English-as-a Second language students found that the model minority myth leads many to believe that Asian students will succeed with little support and without special programs and services. …” Li also noted that “the popular image of successful, high achieving ‘model minorities’ often prevents teachers and schools from recognizing the instructional needs and the psychological and emotional concerns of many underachieving Asian students.”

Active discrimination in the workplace
Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions. Researchers at the University of Toronto, Jennifer L. Berdahl and Ji-A Min, found that employees of East Asian descent, generally Chinese, Japanese and Korean, were stereotyped as high in competence but low in warmth and dominance, perpetuating “the idea that East Asians are ideal as subordinate employees, suited for technical competence positions, but are unqualified to be leaders and managers.”

This — referred to as the “bamboo ceiling” — explains why college and advanced degrees hold less worth for Asian-Americans than for whites. As professor Chang noted, “Returns on education rather than educational level provide a [good] indicator of the existence of discrimination. Many Asian Americans have discovered that they, like other racial minorities, do not get the same return for their educational investment as do their white counterparts.”

By not studying how racism impairs Asian-American lives, we underestimate and miss crucial intelligence on how white privilege sabotages the hopes and dreams of people of color. The Asian-American story differs from the black story which differs the Latino story, but each, along with the Native American story, must be examined and mastered. Each, when pieced together, form a puzzle that we must assess in all its troubling detail. The story that starts with “Tony, an East Indian” lays bare the fearsomeness and complexity of white supremacy.

Morality and wisdom dictate that we no longer discount the pain of our Asian-American brothers and sisters.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

You see Asian, you want kiss the white mans ass but that's what they have always thought abut you. So is this:

Warner Oland was a Swedish-American actor most remembered for playing several Chinese and Chinese-American characters: the Honolulu Police detective, Lieutenant Charlie Chan; Dr. Fu Manchu; and Henry Chang in Shanghai Express.

A white man played Charlie Chan. No different than the black face white actors we had to endure. Don't lecture us on what we need to do. Fix your mind Asian and stop being a sellout, cause you ain't white. We're doing what we need to do. Maybe you need to join us.

With all that against them, why are Asians not whining and crying like the blacks? Harvard even says it has a disproportionate number of Asians qualifying for entrance into Harvard. Asians were mistreated many decades after blacks, yet they score highest in schools and owning businesses. How is that possible?

The only people who say we are whining and crying are dumb racist whites who have been the ones whining and crying since 1776.. Asians have filed the most racial discrimination suits in the past few years, more than blacks have. OBTW Blacks own over 2 million businesses. 'Asians' are not doing as well as you want to claim. Japanese might be, but they are not all Asians plus Japanese got reparations. Only the dumbest Asians fall for it and as a group of people hey reject the shit you have just said.

The Truth About “The Asian Advantage” and “Model Minority Myth”

By Sahra Vang Nguyen

There is no “Asian Advantage” — there are only skewed stats to purport the model minority myth and a divide within the racial justice movement.

Even while recent articles by Nicholas Kristof for New York Times and Jennifer Lee for CNN attempt to offer a nuanced argument for Asian-American success stories, their titles alone are problematic: “The Asian Advantage” and “The secret to Asian Americans’ Success” immediately generalize and frame Asian Americans as the model minority. Stop, we are not.

First off, when people say “Asian American,” please remember that this describes a massive conglomerate of 48 countries, with distinct cultural differences and political histories in the United States (from exploited railroad labor, to the brain drain, to war refugees). By nature, anything that describes “Asian America” will essentially be a broad generalization.

Perhaps the two most buzz worthy phrases in this conversation are “Asians are the fastest growing racial group in the country” and taken from Kristof’s article, “Asian Americans have higher educational attainment than any other group in the United States, including whites.“ Cue fear of the “Asian Invasion” and resentment towards Asians for being the alleged model minority.

In case people have forgotten how to understand statistics, the rates behind “fastest growing” and “higher educational attainment” are proportional to the Asian population in America, not to whites. That being said, Asian Americans make up 5.4 percent of the U.S., population, while whites make up 77.4 percent; that means there are 17.2 million Asian Americans and 246.8 million white people in the United States — so everyone worried about “Asians taking over” can calm down.

Why are Asian Americans considered the fastest growing racial group in America right now? It’s not because they’re reproducing more rapidly than other groups. No. (Especially since Asian men are generally emasculated in mainstream America). As Jennifer Lee suggests, the growth is largely attributed to immigration law “which favors highly educated, highly skilled immigrant applicants from Asian countries,” — to ultimately benefit capitalist interests and enhance America’s economy.

In 2012, India and China (the two largest Asian ethnic groups in the U.S.) made up 71.6 percent of America’s brain drain, which would skew statistics that generalize Asian Americans as economically and academically more successful. Included in the top ten countries of the U.S.’s brain drain are also the Philippines, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan — which, in addition to family-sponsored visas for unification, partially explains why Asians are the “fastest growing racial group in America.” This description essentially means that the 5.8 percent Asian American population is almost at 10 percent — but still dramatically less than the black population (13.2 percent), Latino population (17.4 percent) and white population (77.4 percent).

In addition to the brain drain, the United States offers special visa programs (EB-5) for wealthy individuals outside of the country: if people invest $500,000 or $1 million in American development projects, they receive green cards for themselves and their families. While there are 11.3 million undocumented people living in the U.S. with the threat of deportation and family separation, wealthy individuals can buy their way in. Already, 25 percent of Chinese individuals worth more than $16 million have emigrated, with the United States as their top choice.

So when people talk about the “Asian Advantage” like it’s a truth, they are inadvertently talking about the “white agenda.”

Why did I say “white agenda” and not just “capitalist agenda”? Because it’s the (white dominated) U.S. government that encourages migration of wealthy & skilled Asians into the country, while simultaneously positioning Asian Americans as a “threat” to others. In addition, white males dominate CEO seats of Fortune500 companies, white males dominate seats in Congress, white males dominate Hollywood director seats, white males dominate University presidential seats and white males dominate U.S. Presidential seats. I don’t even need to show you a bar graph to prove these correlations — just look around. Perhaps people should be talking about the “white advantage.”

This article is not to discredit the success or talent of Asian Americans, it is to completely dispel the idea of the “Asian Advantage” because it is an ineffective approach to understanding the community’s nuances. Just like in every other community, there are people who are ridiculously successful (Oprah, Jay-Z, etc.) and there are people who are still sleeping on the streets.

The overall poverty rate in the U.S. is 14.3 percent; relative to their unique populations, the poverty rate for whites is 11.6 percent and Asian Americans is 11.7 percent. Yet no one is talking about the fact that Asian Americans have a higher poverty rate than whites. Why not? Probably because it doesn’t fit their portrayal of Asians as the model minority. Average per capita income for whites is $31k, while for Asian Americans it’s $24k. Asians make up 12 percent of the undocumented population (that’s 1.3 million undocumented Asians), while whites make up a reported zero percent. But nobody wants to talk about the poverty, unemployment and immigration problems when it comes to the Asian American community, because to do so would accurately align us in the fight for racial justice and hurt the white supremacist agenda (which historically, thrives with divide and conquer tactics).



Here’s where everyone loves to sensationalize the model minority myth: 18.5 percent of whites have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 45.7 million people), while 30 percent of Asians have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 5.1 million people). But don’t forget everything I just described above about the brain drain; in addition, universities (especially public ones like the University of California, which have 40 percent Asian student population) are welcoming to wealthy international students who pay higher international tuition. Regardless, while 30 percent versus 18.5 percent may draw a scary picture that Asians are taking over university seats, the truth is white Americans still dominate college campuses dramatically in actual numbers.

Again, when people talk about the Asian American population and its “disproportionate level” of higher educational attainment, the two largest ethnic groups in this conglomerate are Chinese and Indian, the same two groups most targeted by the U.S. brain drain. A more nuanced approach would be to disaggregate the information, and recognize that only 17 percent of Pacific Islanders, 14 percent of Cambodians, 13 percent of Laotians and 13 percent of Hmong people have a bachelor’s degree in the United States. Marginalized communities within the Asian American umbrella become overlooked and underserved because of false notions such as the “Asian Advantage” and “model minority myth.”

In moving forward, my suggestion is to stop asking the wrong, misleading questions which paint a false picture of the Asian American community. If we want to better understand the diverse and complex Asian American community, we need to start asking better, more informed questions, such as, “How can we provide a solution for the 1.3 million undocumented Asian people in the U.S. to live safely with their families? How can we increase college access and retention rates for Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? How can we better represent the the Asian American community through disaggregated data and locating non-identifying Asians whom struggle with language and cultural barriers? How can we better understand and support mental health issues within the Asian American community, also known for having the highest depression and suicide rates in the U.S.?”

How can we recognize when the narrative, regardless of whatever claimed attempt to be nuanced or liberal, is actually forwarding a white supremacist agenda over everything else? When white liberals pat Asians on the back and say “Good job at being the model minority,” who does that ultimately serve? Asian Americans have long been involved in the fight for racial justice, from demanding reparations for the Japanese Internment camps, to fighting for Ethnic Studies in San Francisco, to leading the Third World Liberation Front, and to marching alongside the Black Panther Party. The fight for racial justice must continue with more Asian Americans speaking their truths, rather than allow others to co-opt our narratives.

I celebrate the success, resilience, brilliance and hard work ethic of the Asian American community, while acknowledging that we have a long way to go before racial justice is achieved for ourselves and everyone else. So let’s continue doing what we’ve always done — working hard and knocking down walls.

The Truth About "The Asian Advantage" and "Model Minority Myth" | HuffPost

Average SAT, ACT and IQ Studies by demographic group. All adjusted to 100 for Whites for the purpose of comparison.

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

Probably because youre too ignorant to click on the links to the evidence you claimed I lack?

 

[Asclepias]

Probably because Asians were not enslaved for centuries and forced to the bottom of the social ladder.

The Chinese/Asians were at the bottom of our social ladder from building our railroads to being imprisoned in camps at the beginning of WW-II. Blacks were not.

When do you give up on playing the victim and begin to have some self-respect and personal responsibility? Ignore your black poverty pimps and follow the lead of the Asians, right down to their families, how their children are raised and the respect their children have for their parents. Notice I said parents, not parent.

Asians have never been at the bottom of the social ladder here in the US. Blacks have always occupied that position besides like I said Asians were not subjected to the centuries of slavery, loss of family, religion, and language like Blacks were.

Are you speaking about me personally or Blacks in general? If you are talking about me then dont worry. There is a reason I have achieved more success than you. I outworked whites and crushed every obstacle they placed in my way.

Nobody has been more oppressed than the Jews and they are the most successful people on the planet. Give me a break. As I said in the other thread it is your rotting subculture that is the problem. Black Americans as a whole have no desire to work hard and succeed.

Do you mean the white Jews or the original Black Hebrews? Please explain how the white Jews have been more oppressed? Where they ever enslaved? No. Did they have their culture, language, religion, and history robbed from them? No. Did they get and do they still receive massive help from other whites? Yes

Hitler, and Stalin not only enslaved Jews, but also Ukrainians, Russians, and Poles in mass among others.

Not my issue nor does it have anything to do with my point.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

There's no white supremacy in the United States. If you put as much energy into cleaning up your own neighborhoods and rotting subculture as you do whining and finger pointing at others you'd make a lot of progress.

Here we go again. "There is no white supremacy in the US", says the Asian.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

Anti-Asian-American racism paints picture of a ‘model minority’

First arrivals at the Japanese evacuee community established in the Owens valley at Manzanar, California March 23, 1942. More than 800 were moved into the camps. AP Photo
By Brando Simeo Starkey @BrandoStarkey

“Go back to China!”

That ugly exclamation rattled the ears of editor Michael Luo who, with family and friends in tow, headed to get lunch at a nearby Korean restaurant on the Upper East Side streets of Manhattan last month. Luo wrote an open letter in the New York Times to the white woman who roared it, telling her how such verbal daggers sever Asian-Americans from their citizenship. “Maybe you don’t know this,” he penned, “but the insults you hurled at my family get to the heart of the Asian-American experience. It’s this persistent sense of otherness that a lot of us struggle with every day. That no matter what we do, how successful we are, what friends we make, we don’t belong. We’re foreign. We’re not American.”

Upon reading Luo’s open letter, my mind stewed on an uncomfortable truth about people like me who care deeply about racial justice — we often fail at positioning the grievances of Asian-Americans against white supremacy at the heart of the fight. We shower sympathy on black and brown people; Asian-Americans experience but a sprinkle. This begs for amelioration. We must understand that a national conversation about racism that ignores the plight of Asian-Americans carries an unforgivable omission.

Many consider the Asian-American story as bearing relatively few withering marks of traumatic racial struggle, partially explaining why their grievances attract scant attention. But that’s false.

Racist laws, stereotypes at work from the start
The Asian-American story began with Capt. George Menefie, who brought “Tony, an East Indian” into colonial Virginia in the early 1620s as a headright, meaning Menefie received 50 acres of land for importing Tony into the colony, which desperately needed laborers to keep England’s colonial experiment afloat. Indians continued to be brought into the New World. The Virginia Gazette, in July 1776, for example, recorded the escape of a “Servant Man named John Newton, about 20 Years of Age, 5 feet 5 or 6 Inches high, slender made, is an Asiatic Indian by Birth, has been about twelve Months in Virginia, but lived ten Years (as he says) in England, in the Service of Sir Charles Whitworth.”

Some, like Tony and John, were indentured servants, but other Indians were slaves. Thomas F. Brown and Leah C. Sims, historians, reported that “there was a significant contingent of ‘East Indian’ slaves in the colonial Chesapeake.” Just like the sons and daughters of Africa who worked the same land, the bodies of descendants of India were tools to enrich white lives. This land was not meant for them either.

Chinese workers, in 1849-50, began to immigrate to the U.S. mainland, fleeing wars and economic turmoil. They generally planned to labor for three to five years and return to China, seeking to earn money while taking advantage of the California gold rush, the alluring tales of riches having enchanted them into taking a long voyage to a foreign continent.

Vintage illustration of Chinese immigrants and gold miners in San Francisco in 1849, with a saloon, hotel, and general store; lithograph, 1926.

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White Californians’ initial welcoming of these new immigrants as industrious members of the community faded into racial resentment, particularly among lower-class whites, who saw them as labor competition. Blacks who ventured North during the Great Migration in the early 20th century met a similar fate, showing how anti-Asian discrimination often presaged discrimination against other people of color. The state of California then began codifying racism in law, a fact punctuated when, in 1854, the California Supreme Court ruled in People v. Hall that the testimony of a Chinese man who witnessed a murder was inadmissible against a white criminal defendant, chiefly because, per popular thought, the Chinese were “a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incapable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point. …”

Cary Chow, a Chinese-American ESPN anchor, recently wrote about a bigoted television segment hosted by Jesse Watters of Fox News. Watters went to New York City’s Chinatown to conduct man-on-the-street-style interviews and trafficked in anti-Chinese stereotypes. He approached one Asian vendor and said, “I like these watches. Are they hot?” Chow contended that Watters felt comfortable in mocking his ethnic group because Watters likely believed Asians “would not fight back, because historically, Asians have not.”

Much historical data, though, supports the opposite conclusion. When the city of San Francisco passed ordinances to prevent Chinese immigrants from operating commercial laundries, an industry they dominated in the city, they resisted oppression. They sued the city. They took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court. And they seized victory with Yick Wo v. Hopkins in 1886. “Indeed between 1880 to 1900,” wrote Charles J. McClain in In Search of Equality: The Chinese Struggle against Discrimination in Nineteenth-Century America, “Chinese litigants carried some twenty appeals to the Supreme Court of the United States.” And way back in 1860, just a decade into their American journey, the Chinese community in San Anselmo, California, asked local white clergymen to hire a lobbyist to petition the state legislators to reject anti-Chinese bills under consideration. As McClain, a lecturer at University of California Berkeley Law School, found, “there is abundant evidence that the leaders of the nineteenth century Chinese community … were thoroughly familiar with American governmental institutions … and knew how to use those institutions to protect themselves. Far from being passive or docile in the face of official mistreatment, they reacted with indignation to it and more often than not sought redress in the courts.”

Black skin, in many ways, granted advantages over being of Asian descent. The Naturalization Act of 1870 granted perhaps the biggest such advantage. It extended naturalization rights to those of African ancestry, meaning foreign-born blacks, typically West Indians, could become naturalized citizens just like European whites. Asians, though, could not naturalize. The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, made anyone born in America citizens. Yet, for Asian immigrants like Bhagat Singh Thind, the naturalization act ignited anguish.

Thind, born in India, came to America when he was 24 years old, in 1913. He applied for citizenship and was granted it on the theory that Indians were not “Mongolians” but rather “Caucasians,” in other words, white, and thus eligible for naturalization. The Supreme Court, however, reversed that ruling, holding he was not white because most white Americans would never consider him a member of the white race. After the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind decision in 1923, 64 other Indians who naturalized lost their American citizenship. Vaishno Das Bagai, one such man, killed himself, writing in his suicide note:

I came to America thinking, dreaming and hoping to make this land my home. Sold my properties and brought more than twenty-five thousand dollars (gold) to this country, established myself and tried my very best to give my children the best American education.

In year 1921 the Federal court at San Francisco accepted me as a naturalized citizen of the United States and issued to my name the final certificate, giving therein the name and description of my wife and three sons. In last 12 or 13 years we all made ourselves as much Americanized as possible.

But they now come to me and say, I am no longer an American citizen. They will not permit me to buy my home and, lo, they even shall not issue me a passport to go back to India. Now what am I? What have I made of myself and my children? We cannot exercise our rights, we cannot leave this country. Humility and insults, who is responsible for all this? Myself and American government.

I do not choose to live the life of an interned person; yes, I am in a free country and can move about where and when I wish inside the country. Is life worth living in a gilded cage? Obstacles this way, blockades that way, and the bridges burnt behind.

One must also never forget the anti-Japanese World War II-era Supreme Court cases, Hirabayashi v. United States and Korematsu v. United States, two hideous decisions that debased the Supreme Court as an institution. In the Hirabayashi case, the court upheld the constitutionality of a curfew provision requiring that people of Japanese ancestry be in their “place of residence daily between the hours of 8 p.m. to 6 a.m.” In the Korematsu case, the Supreme Court upheld the internment of folk of Japanese descent.

But some will maintain that this is all talk of the past, that this history says little about the present-day realities of Asian-Americans. They might note that in 1965 Congress rid racial discrimination from immigration and naturalization law. The convictions of Gordon Hirabayashi and Fred Korematsu, furthermore, were overturned in the 1980s and Japanese-Americans received reparations for internment around that same time. Racism barely scars the lives of Asian-Americans, these folk might insist, noting that America regards them as a so-called “model minority.”

The U.S. government provided hot meals for the first Japanese internees at the Santa Anita Race track reception center near Los Angeles on April 3, 1942.

AP Photo

In the 1960s, when articulated grievances against anti-black bigotry roiled throughout the American landscape, some leading white intellectuals, through the mainstream media, championed the idea that Asian-Americans constituted a model minority. The model minority myth holds that Asian-Americans are an incredibly successful group generally because of their personal responsibility and law-abiding behavior.

In 1966, the U.S. News & World Report, for instance, wrote, “At a time when Americans are awash in worry over the plight of racial minorities — one such minority, the nation’s 300,000 Chinese Americans, is winning wealth and respect by dint of its own hard work … Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check—in order to reach America’s ‘promised land.’” The national press pumped out similar stories lauding Asian-Americans and indirectly scolding blacks, while scholarly work validating the model minority stereotype blanketed social science journals. Fifty years later, the model minority stereotype appears true both inside and outside the Asian-American population.

But the model minority stereotype is a myth that white supremacy devised partly to defend American society from the charges of racism leveled by black folk and those sympathetic to their complaints. A century before, Asians were defined as inferior, because doing so promoted the interests of whites. But in the 1960s, the claim suddenly became Asians even economically outpaced whites because of their exemplary attitude. Just as blacks achieved victories against segregation and racial discrimination, some whites trotted out the argument that another racial minority was flourishing without the help of government assistance, the implicit question being “why aren’t you?” The notion that one racial minority group was advancing by working hard, minding their own business, and not complaining about the system was a rhetorical tactic for those who sought to justify their inaction on civil rights.

The racial justice community often ignores the plight of Asian-Americans because their successful image is frequently thrown in black and brown faces to silence their cries for improved treatment. This isolates Asian-Americans from other minorities who otherwise would be allies in the battle against anti-Asian bigotry. White supremacy’s divide-and-conquer strategy has proven formidable.

The model minority myth, furthermore, convinces citizens and power holders that Asian-Americans harbor no real need for government assistance. “The portrayal of Asian Americans as successful,” Seattle University School of Law professor Robert S. Chang wrote, “permits the general public, government officials, and the judiciary to ignore or marginalize the contemporary needs of Asian Americans.”

We see, perhaps, the most harmful effects of this in educational contexts. Guofang Li, professor of Second Language and Literacy at Michigan State University, wrote that the model minority myth “misleads policy makers to overlook issues concerning Asian students and their needed services. Studies on instructional support for Asian English-as-a Second language students found that the model minority myth leads many to believe that Asian students will succeed with little support and without special programs and services. …” Li also noted that “the popular image of successful, high achieving ‘model minorities’ often prevents teachers and schools from recognizing the instructional needs and the psychological and emotional concerns of many underachieving Asian students.”

Active discrimination in the workplace
Besides this sort of neglect, Asian-Americans face active discrimination. Approximately 30 percent of Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders reported that they had endured discrimination in the workplace, the highest reporting percentage of any racial group. Blacks were second at 26 percent.

The primary reason for this employment discrimination is that Asian-Americans are often deemed unsuited for high-ranking management positions. Researchers at the University of Toronto, Jennifer L. Berdahl and Ji-A Min, found that employees of East Asian descent, generally Chinese, Japanese and Korean, were stereotyped as high in competence but low in warmth and dominance, perpetuating “the idea that East Asians are ideal as subordinate employees, suited for technical competence positions, but are unqualified to be leaders and managers.”

This — referred to as the “bamboo ceiling” — explains why college and advanced degrees hold less worth for Asian-Americans than for whites. As professor Chang noted, “Returns on education rather than educational level provide a [good] indicator of the existence of discrimination. Many Asian Americans have discovered that they, like other racial minorities, do not get the same return for their educational investment as do their white counterparts.”

By not studying how racism impairs Asian-American lives, we underestimate and miss crucial intelligence on how white privilege sabotages the hopes and dreams of people of color. The Asian-American story differs from the black story which differs the Latino story, but each, along with the Native American story, must be examined and mastered. Each, when pieced together, form a puzzle that we must assess in all its troubling detail. The story that starts with “Tony, an East Indian” lays bare the fearsomeness and complexity of white supremacy.

Morality and wisdom dictate that we no longer discount the pain of our Asian-American brothers and sisters.

Why we must talk about the Asian-American story, too

You see Asian, you want kiss the white mans ass but that's what they have always thought abut you. So is this:

Warner Oland was a Swedish-American actor most remembered for playing several Chinese and Chinese-American characters: the Honolulu Police detective, Lieutenant Charlie Chan; Dr. Fu Manchu; and Henry Chang in Shanghai Express.

A white man played Charlie Chan. No different than the black face white actors we had to endure. Don't lecture us on what we need to do. Fix your mind Asian and stop being a sellout, cause you ain't white. We're doing what we need to do. Maybe you need to join us.

With all that against them, why are Asians not whining and crying like the blacks?

Probably because Asians were not enslaved for centuries and forced to the bottom of the social ladder.

Most in Africa were not enslaved for centuries, and they're in a lot worse shape than African Americans, or Jamaicans, or Trinidad, and Tobago peoples which were.

 

[OldLady]

You sound like an idiot without a clue. The term Alt Right was created by a white supremacist by the name of Richard Spencer

And you don't think that Richard Spencer would love to be linked to more mainstream conservatives and libertarians?


Hell, they are constantly trying to attach themselves to something more, to inflate their importance.

Hey stupid. That was the point OldLady was making. They want something more palatable to guys like you who pretend you arent racist because you dont have the balls to come out and admit it.

Yes, and my counter point was that that is what the very, very few actual white supremacists want you to think.


They are desperate for any hint of relevance.


ANd lefties willfully being duped by their tricks, is their greatest source of hope and perceived importance.

Yet if there are very very few white supremacists, the white guys I see in the threads on this forum tend to "buy" the WS basic arguments that blacks are lazy, stupid, and violent. As a group, overall, that is not true to begin with, but the higher crime rate etc. is a direct result of poverty, and that is because not all blacks have managed to overcome the generational cycle of poverty and familial dysfunction that was imposed on them by our society all those years ago.
Those things take a long time to change.

The thing is there is no higher crime rate. Whites have got to stop telling this lie. We are dying because you refuse to stop doing so. Whites commit more crime and whites need to fix that instead of lying about us.

The verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.

There are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely to remain the subject of bitter argument.
FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime?

I'm just basing my comments on what I have been told by sources that are not trying to skew the results one way or the other. It's complicated, I realize, and as the link I used states, different studies produce different results. I don't think you've got a leg to stand on, though, saying that as a group, blacks commit 13% of the crime in this country. At least I haven't found a study saying that.
Since there are many more white people than black people in America, of course the number of white people arrested is higher. But adjusted for percentage of the population, as a group, they don't.
At least that is my understanding.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

With all that against them, why are Asians not whining and crying like the blacks? Harvard even says it has a disproportionate number of Asians qualifying for entrance into Harvard. Asians were mistreated many decades after blacks, yet they score highest in schools and owning businesses. How is that possible?

The only people who say we are whining and crying are dumb racist whites who have been the ones whining and crying since 1776.. Asians have filed the most racial discrimination suits in the past few years, more than blacks have. OBTW Blacks own over 2 million businesses. 'Asians' are not doing as well as you want to claim. Japanese might be, but they are not all Asians plus Japanese got reparations. Only the dumbest Asians fall for it and as a group of people hey reject the shit you have just said.

The Truth About “The Asian Advantage” and “Model Minority Myth”

By Sahra Vang Nguyen

There is no “Asian Advantage” — there are only skewed stats to purport the model minority myth and a divide within the racial justice movement.

Even while recent articles by Nicholas Kristof for New York Times and Jennifer Lee for CNN attempt to offer a nuanced argument for Asian-American success stories, their titles alone are problematic: “The Asian Advantage” and “The secret to Asian Americans’ Success” immediately generalize and frame Asian Americans as the model minority. Stop, we are not.

First off, when people say “Asian American,” please remember that this describes a massive conglomerate of 48 countries, with distinct cultural differences and political histories in the United States (from exploited railroad labor, to the brain drain, to war refugees). By nature, anything that describes “Asian America” will essentially be a broad generalization.

Perhaps the two most buzz worthy phrases in this conversation are “Asians are the fastest growing racial group in the country” and taken from Kristof’s article, “Asian Americans have higher educational attainment than any other group in the United States, including whites.“ Cue fear of the “Asian Invasion” and resentment towards Asians for being the alleged model minority.

In case people have forgotten how to understand statistics, the rates behind “fastest growing” and “higher educational attainment” are proportional to the Asian population in America, not to whites. That being said, Asian Americans make up 5.4 percent of the U.S., population, while whites make up 77.4 percent; that means there are 17.2 million Asian Americans and 246.8 million white people in the United States — so everyone worried about “Asians taking over” can calm down.

Why are Asian Americans considered the fastest growing racial group in America right now? It’s not because they’re reproducing more rapidly than other groups. No. (Especially since Asian men are generally emasculated in mainstream America). As Jennifer Lee suggests, the growth is largely attributed to immigration law “which favors highly educated, highly skilled immigrant applicants from Asian countries,” — to ultimately benefit capitalist interests and enhance America’s economy.

In 2012, India and China (the two largest Asian ethnic groups in the U.S.) made up 71.6 percent of America’s brain drain, which would skew statistics that generalize Asian Americans as economically and academically more successful. Included in the top ten countries of the U.S.’s brain drain are also the Philippines, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan — which, in addition to family-sponsored visas for unification, partially explains why Asians are the “fastest growing racial group in America.” This description essentially means that the 5.8 percent Asian American population is almost at 10 percent — but still dramatically less than the black population (13.2 percent), Latino population (17.4 percent) and white population (77.4 percent).

In addition to the brain drain, the United States offers special visa programs (EB-5) for wealthy individuals outside of the country: if people invest $500,000 or $1 million in American development projects, they receive green cards for themselves and their families. While there are 11.3 million undocumented people living in the U.S. with the threat of deportation and family separation, wealthy individuals can buy their way in. Already, 25 percent of Chinese individuals worth more than $16 million have emigrated, with the United States as their top choice.

So when people talk about the “Asian Advantage” like it’s a truth, they are inadvertently talking about the “white agenda.”

Why did I say “white agenda” and not just “capitalist agenda”? Because it’s the (white dominated) U.S. government that encourages migration of wealthy & skilled Asians into the country, while simultaneously positioning Asian Americans as a “threat” to others. In addition, white males dominate CEO seats of Fortune500 companies, white males dominate seats in Congress, white males dominate Hollywood director seats, white males dominate University presidential seats and white males dominate U.S. Presidential seats. I don’t even need to show you a bar graph to prove these correlations — just look around. Perhaps people should be talking about the “white advantage.”

This article is not to discredit the success or talent of Asian Americans, it is to completely dispel the idea of the “Asian Advantage” because it is an ineffective approach to understanding the community’s nuances. Just like in every other community, there are people who are ridiculously successful (Oprah, Jay-Z, etc.) and there are people who are still sleeping on the streets.

The overall poverty rate in the U.S. is 14.3 percent; relative to their unique populations, the poverty rate for whites is 11.6 percent and Asian Americans is 11.7 percent. Yet no one is talking about the fact that Asian Americans have a higher poverty rate than whites. Why not? Probably because it doesn’t fit their portrayal of Asians as the model minority. Average per capita income for whites is $31k, while for Asian Americans it’s $24k. Asians make up 12 percent of the undocumented population (that’s 1.3 million undocumented Asians), while whites make up a reported zero percent. But nobody wants to talk about the poverty, unemployment and immigration problems when it comes to the Asian American community, because to do so would accurately align us in the fight for racial justice and hurt the white supremacist agenda (which historically, thrives with divide and conquer tactics).



Here’s where everyone loves to sensationalize the model minority myth: 18.5 percent of whites have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 45.7 million people), while 30 percent of Asians have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 5.1 million people). But don’t forget everything I just described above about the brain drain; in addition, universities (especially public ones like the University of California, which have 40 percent Asian student population) are welcoming to wealthy international students who pay higher international tuition. Regardless, while 30 percent versus 18.5 percent may draw a scary picture that Asians are taking over university seats, the truth is white Americans still dominate college campuses dramatically in actual numbers.

Again, when people talk about the Asian American population and its “disproportionate level” of higher educational attainment, the two largest ethnic groups in this conglomerate are Chinese and Indian, the same two groups most targeted by the U.S. brain drain. A more nuanced approach would be to disaggregate the information, and recognize that only 17 percent of Pacific Islanders, 14 percent of Cambodians, 13 percent of Laotians and 13 percent of Hmong people have a bachelor’s degree in the United States. Marginalized communities within the Asian American umbrella become overlooked and underserved because of false notions such as the “Asian Advantage” and “model minority myth.”

In moving forward, my suggestion is to stop asking the wrong, misleading questions which paint a false picture of the Asian American community. If we want to better understand the diverse and complex Asian American community, we need to start asking better, more informed questions, such as, “How can we provide a solution for the 1.3 million undocumented Asian people in the U.S. to live safely with their families? How can we increase college access and retention rates for Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? How can we better represent the the Asian American community through disaggregated data and locating non-identifying Asians whom struggle with language and cultural barriers? How can we better understand and support mental health issues within the Asian American community, also known for having the highest depression and suicide rates in the U.S.?”

How can we recognize when the narrative, regardless of whatever claimed attempt to be nuanced or liberal, is actually forwarding a white supremacist agenda over everything else? When white liberals pat Asians on the back and say “Good job at being the model minority,” who does that ultimately serve? Asian Americans have long been involved in the fight for racial justice, from demanding reparations for the Japanese Internment camps, to fighting for Ethnic Studies in San Francisco, to leading the Third World Liberation Front, and to marching alongside the Black Panther Party. The fight for racial justice must continue with more Asian Americans speaking their truths, rather than allow others to co-opt our narratives.

I celebrate the success, resilience, brilliance and hard work ethic of the Asian American community, while acknowledging that we have a long way to go before racial justice is achieved for ourselves and everyone else. So let’s continue doing what we’ve always done — working hard and knocking down walls.

The Truth About "The Asian Advantage" and "Model Minority Myth" | HuffPost

Average SAT, ACT and IQ Studies by demographic group. All adjusted to 100 for Whites for the purpose of comparison.

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

Probably because youre too ignorant to click on the links to the evidence you claimed I lack?

I skimmed through the first link, and saw nothing directly speaking of Whites, and Asians cheating more often than Blacks on the SAT.

 

[Asclepias]

The only people who say we are whining and crying are dumb racist whites who have been the ones whining and crying since 1776.. Asians have filed the most racial discrimination suits in the past few years, more than blacks have. OBTW Blacks own over 2 million businesses. 'Asians' are not doing as well as you want to claim. Japanese might be, but they are not all Asians plus Japanese got reparations. Only the dumbest Asians fall for it and as a group of people hey reject the shit you have just said.

The Truth About “The Asian Advantage” and “Model Minority Myth”

By Sahra Vang Nguyen

There is no “Asian Advantage” — there are only skewed stats to purport the model minority myth and a divide within the racial justice movement.

Even while recent articles by Nicholas Kristof for New York Times and Jennifer Lee for CNN attempt to offer a nuanced argument for Asian-American success stories, their titles alone are problematic: “The Asian Advantage” and “The secret to Asian Americans’ Success” immediately generalize and frame Asian Americans as the model minority. Stop, we are not.

First off, when people say “Asian American,” please remember that this describes a massive conglomerate of 48 countries, with distinct cultural differences and political histories in the United States (from exploited railroad labor, to the brain drain, to war refugees). By nature, anything that describes “Asian America” will essentially be a broad generalization.

Perhaps the two most buzz worthy phrases in this conversation are “Asians are the fastest growing racial group in the country” and taken from Kristof’s article, “Asian Americans have higher educational attainment than any other group in the United States, including whites.“ Cue fear of the “Asian Invasion” and resentment towards Asians for being the alleged model minority.

In case people have forgotten how to understand statistics, the rates behind “fastest growing” and “higher educational attainment” are proportional to the Asian population in America, not to whites. That being said, Asian Americans make up 5.4 percent of the U.S., population, while whites make up 77.4 percent; that means there are 17.2 million Asian Americans and 246.8 million white people in the United States — so everyone worried about “Asians taking over” can calm down.

Why are Asian Americans considered the fastest growing racial group in America right now? It’s not because they’re reproducing more rapidly than other groups. No. (Especially since Asian men are generally emasculated in mainstream America). As Jennifer Lee suggests, the growth is largely attributed to immigration law “which favors highly educated, highly skilled immigrant applicants from Asian countries,” — to ultimately benefit capitalist interests and enhance America’s economy.

In 2012, India and China (the two largest Asian ethnic groups in the U.S.) made up 71.6 percent of America’s brain drain, which would skew statistics that generalize Asian Americans as economically and academically more successful. Included in the top ten countries of the U.S.’s brain drain are also the Philippines, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan — which, in addition to family-sponsored visas for unification, partially explains why Asians are the “fastest growing racial group in America.” This description essentially means that the 5.8 percent Asian American population is almost at 10 percent — but still dramatically less than the black population (13.2 percent), Latino population (17.4 percent) and white population (77.4 percent).

In addition to the brain drain, the United States offers special visa programs (EB-5) for wealthy individuals outside of the country: if people invest $500,000 or $1 million in American development projects, they receive green cards for themselves and their families. While there are 11.3 million undocumented people living in the U.S. with the threat of deportation and family separation, wealthy individuals can buy their way in. Already, 25 percent of Chinese individuals worth more than $16 million have emigrated, with the United States as their top choice.

So when people talk about the “Asian Advantage” like it’s a truth, they are inadvertently talking about the “white agenda.”

Why did I say “white agenda” and not just “capitalist agenda”? Because it’s the (white dominated) U.S. government that encourages migration of wealthy & skilled Asians into the country, while simultaneously positioning Asian Americans as a “threat” to others. In addition, white males dominate CEO seats of Fortune500 companies, white males dominate seats in Congress, white males dominate Hollywood director seats, white males dominate University presidential seats and white males dominate U.S. Presidential seats. I don’t even need to show you a bar graph to prove these correlations — just look around. Perhaps people should be talking about the “white advantage.”

This article is not to discredit the success or talent of Asian Americans, it is to completely dispel the idea of the “Asian Advantage” because it is an ineffective approach to understanding the community’s nuances. Just like in every other community, there are people who are ridiculously successful (Oprah, Jay-Z, etc.) and there are people who are still sleeping on the streets.

The overall poverty rate in the U.S. is 14.3 percent; relative to their unique populations, the poverty rate for whites is 11.6 percent and Asian Americans is 11.7 percent. Yet no one is talking about the fact that Asian Americans have a higher poverty rate than whites. Why not? Probably because it doesn’t fit their portrayal of Asians as the model minority. Average per capita income for whites is $31k, while for Asian Americans it’s $24k. Asians make up 12 percent of the undocumented population (that’s 1.3 million undocumented Asians), while whites make up a reported zero percent. But nobody wants to talk about the poverty, unemployment and immigration problems when it comes to the Asian American community, because to do so would accurately align us in the fight for racial justice and hurt the white supremacist agenda (which historically, thrives with divide and conquer tactics).



Here’s where everyone loves to sensationalize the model minority myth: 18.5 percent of whites have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 45.7 million people), while 30 percent of Asians have a bachelor’s degree (roughly 5.1 million people). But don’t forget everything I just described above about the brain drain; in addition, universities (especially public ones like the University of California, which have 40 percent Asian student population) are welcoming to wealthy international students who pay higher international tuition. Regardless, while 30 percent versus 18.5 percent may draw a scary picture that Asians are taking over university seats, the truth is white Americans still dominate college campuses dramatically in actual numbers.

Again, when people talk about the Asian American population and its “disproportionate level” of higher educational attainment, the two largest ethnic groups in this conglomerate are Chinese and Indian, the same two groups most targeted by the U.S. brain drain. A more nuanced approach would be to disaggregate the information, and recognize that only 17 percent of Pacific Islanders, 14 percent of Cambodians, 13 percent of Laotians and 13 percent of Hmong people have a bachelor’s degree in the United States. Marginalized communities within the Asian American umbrella become overlooked and underserved because of false notions such as the “Asian Advantage” and “model minority myth.”

In moving forward, my suggestion is to stop asking the wrong, misleading questions which paint a false picture of the Asian American community. If we want to better understand the diverse and complex Asian American community, we need to start asking better, more informed questions, such as, “How can we provide a solution for the 1.3 million undocumented Asian people in the U.S. to live safely with their families? How can we increase college access and retention rates for Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? How can we better represent the the Asian American community through disaggregated data and locating non-identifying Asians whom struggle with language and cultural barriers? How can we better understand and support mental health issues within the Asian American community, also known for having the highest depression and suicide rates in the U.S.?”

How can we recognize when the narrative, regardless of whatever claimed attempt to be nuanced or liberal, is actually forwarding a white supremacist agenda over everything else? When white liberals pat Asians on the back and say “Good job at being the model minority,” who does that ultimately serve? Asian Americans have long been involved in the fight for racial justice, from demanding reparations for the Japanese Internment camps, to fighting for Ethnic Studies in San Francisco, to leading the Third World Liberation Front, and to marching alongside the Black Panther Party. The fight for racial justice must continue with more Asian Americans speaking their truths, rather than allow others to co-opt our narratives.

I celebrate the success, resilience, brilliance and hard work ethic of the Asian American community, while acknowledging that we have a long way to go before racial justice is achieved for ourselves and everyone else. So let’s continue doing what we’ve always done — working hard and knocking down walls.

The Truth About "The Asian Advantage" and "Model Minority Myth" | HuffPost

Average SAT, ACT and IQ Studies by demographic group. All adjusted to 100 for Whites for the purpose of comparison.

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

Probably because youre too ignorant to click on the links to the evidence you claimed I lack?

sI skimmed t
hrough the first link, and saw nothing directly speaking of Whites, and Asians cheating more often than Blacks on the SAT.

But you did

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I do not understand the obsession of hunting for the few remaining White Racists in America and making a big deal out of them. Institutional Racism in America is gone and has been replaced by Racial favoritism for Black people. You will always be able to find individuals who hate other people because they are not like them. Your quest is futile.

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

"Sites" are just areas on the internet. Even if there was no such thing a freedom of speech that wouldnt mean all white racists would be gone. What kind of retarded logic did you use to arrive at the conclusion that the less freedom of speech the less racists there are?

Because, in the case of racism, or prejudices against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Women, and Gays is taken very seriously on much of the internet.

Even if racism, and prejudices against Whites, Catholics, Poles, Italians, Russians, Men, and Heteros are not taken seriously.

Ultimately it leads to a lot of racists funneled into a few places on the internet which tolerate them..
(Of course anti-White racism on the other hand are tolerated just about everywhere on the internet)

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Average SAT, ACT and IQ Studies by demographic group. All adjusted to 100 for Whites for the purpose of comparison.

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

Probably because youre too ignorant to click on the links to the evidence you claimed I lack?

sI skimmed t
hrough the first link, and saw nothing directly speaking of Whites, and Asians cheating more often than Blacks on the SAT.

But you did

So, they have cameras in the testing rooms showing Whites, and Asians in the testing rooms are taking answers from each other more often?

 

[Asclepias]

I do not understand the obsession of hunting for the few remaining White Racists in America and making a big deal out of them. Institutional Racism in America is gone and has been replaced by Racial favoritism for Black people. You will always be able to find individuals who hate other people because they are not like them. Your quest is futile.

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

"Sites" are just areas on the internet. Even if there was no such thing a freedom of speech that wouldnt mean all white racists would be gone. What kind of retarded logic did you use to arrive at the conclusion that the less freedom of speech the less racists there are?

Because, in the case of racism, or prejudices against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Women, and Gays is taken very seriously on much of the internet.

Even if racism, and prejudices against Whites, Catholics, Poles, Italians, Russians, Men, and Heteros are not taken seriously.

Ultimately it leads to a lot of racists funneled into a few places on the internet which tolerate them..
(Of course anti-White racism on the other hand are tolerated just about everywhere on the internet)

No one takes white racists seriously on the internet. Gimme a break man.

Since life isnt lived on the internet I have no clue what point you are trying to make.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I do not understand the obsession of hunting for the few remaining White Racists in America and making a big deal out of them. Institutional Racism in America is gone and has been replaced by Racial favoritism for Black people. You will always be able to find individuals who hate other people because they are not like them. Your quest is futile.

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

"Sites" are just areas on the internet. Even if there was no such thing a freedom of speech that wouldnt mean all white racists would be gone. What kind of retarded logic did you use to arrive at the conclusion that the less freedom of speech the less racists there are?

Because, in the case of racism, or prejudices against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Women, and Gays is taken very seriously on much of the internet.

Even if racism, and prejudices against Whites, Catholics, Poles, Italians, Russians, Men, and Heteros are not taken seriously.

Ultimately it leads to a lot of racists funneled into a few places on the internet which tolerate them..
(Of course anti-White racism on the other hand are tolerated just about everywhere on the internet)

No one takes white racists seriously on the internet. Gimme a break man.

Since life isnt lived on the internet I have no clue what point you are trying to make.

But, Black racists like yourself are somehow taken seriously on the internet?

 

[Asclepias]

Looks like its true. Asians and Whites cheat on their tests way more than other races.

The Perfect Score: Cheating on the SAT

SAT Integrity Falls Victim to China Cheating Scandal

So, Whites, and Asians cheat on the SAT way more, and yet you lack such an evidence, how come?

Probably because youre too ignorant to click on the links to the evidence you claimed I lack?

sI skimmed t
hrough the first link, and saw nothing directly speaking of Whites, and Asians cheating more often than Blacks on the SAT.

But you did

So, they have cameras in the testing rooms showing Whites, and Asians in the testing rooms are taking answers from each other more often?

Both links show whites cheating on the SAT and Asians cheating on the SAT. Are you having trouble understanding that means whites and Asians are cheating?

 

[Asclepias]

You dont understand because you appear to be ignorant of just how many white racists there are. You have verified your ignorance when you claim there is no institutional racism. The SCOTUS has even verified there is.

Supreme Court: Institutional Racism Is Real

This site might have a good deal of White racists, only because it allows freedom of speech more than other sites.

But, a lot of other sites are actually typically have few White racists.

"Sites" are just areas on the internet. Even if there was no such thing a freedom of speech that wouldnt mean all white racists would be gone. What kind of retarded logic did you use to arrive at the conclusion that the less freedom of speech the less racists there are?

Because, in the case of racism, or prejudices against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, Women, and Gays is taken very seriously on much of the internet.

Even if racism, and prejudices against Whites, Catholics, Poles, Italians, Russians, Men, and Heteros are not taken seriously.

Ultimately it leads to a lot of racists funneled into a few places on the internet which tolerate them..
(Of course anti-White racism on the other hand are tolerated just about everywhere on the internet)

No one takes white racists seriously on the internet. Gimme a break man.

Since life isnt lived on the internet I have no clue what point you are trying to make.

But, Black racists like yourself are somehow taken seriously on the internet?

I have no idea if white racists take me seriously or not. Since I dont post for them I've never even thought about it.