A few questions so I will know who I'm dealing with...

[P F Tinmore]

BecauseIKnow, et al,

I haven't started a defense of the "Occupation."

It's funny when the pro israel crowd brings up Hamas when Hamas has no say in the two state solution and are isolated in Gaza only. Israel refuses to allow their representatives into a negotiation and they deal with the PA whom they claim to always support and the PA is technically their own stooge government. Yet they still back away from a solution. They want israel to keep expanding and to stay that way. They want it to be all Jewish land. Just as Roudy even said in the other thread, he wants all of the West Bank to be occupied and wants rename it Judea and Samaria. He's accusing the other side of wanting all of Israel when in reality it's him and people like him who want all Palestine. Actions speak far louder than words, Israel is the country occupying land daily and trying to annex occupied land through brute force. Even the US has admitted this, and Europe is concerned of it. The Palestinians aren't going out trying to usurp land. So Rocco's whole waste of time was pointless, actions speak far louder than words Rocco, no matter how much bs you pull out of your ass to defend the occupation it's literally just not the reality. Enough of unrealistic methods of trying to deter a two state solution. The whole world is moving towards a two state solution.

(COMMENT)

As a matter of fact, I have written a number of commentaries on the inappropriate administration and management of the "Occupied Territories" (Gaza Strip and West Bank) by the Israelis.

The question I raise is an even more basic question.

• If the Palestinians recognized Israel as a sovereign and independent state?
  ...................................................OR......................................................
• If the Palestinians claim that all of Israel is inside Palestine, that Israel is an illegitimate state with no recognizable borders?

It does make a difference.

• If it is one, then none of the International Laws apply because it becomes an internal domestic issue of Palestine.
• If it is the other, then the Palestinians already give recognition to the State of Israel and now it is just a matter of negotiating borders.

(FOOTNOTE)

When the Arabs Themselves Denied There Was a Palestine LINK ---> When the Arabs Themselves Denied There Was a Palestine - The New York Sun

Most Respectfully,
R

If the Palestinians claim that all of Israel is inside Palestine, that Israel is an illegitimate state with no recognizable borders?

Yep, true.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Yep, true."

Not to worry, Tinny... within a couple of decades, Palestine is going to be viewed as a legitimate state with no territory remaining under its control to call its own. A brief burst of Government-in-Exile status and then it will fizzle-out and fade away, as the rest of the world forgets about it.

Consolidation and mop-up operations continue...

 

[Ha3mme8tt]

Rocket fire from Gaza into Israel constitutes (a) terrorist activity, or (b) legitimate resistence.

 

[Lipush]

Yeah, that was the question, lol

 

[Hossfly]

Rocket fire from Gaza into Israel constitutes (a) terrorist activity, or (b) legitimate resistence.

Legitimate resistance, of course. I have sources that insist there is no terrorism in the hearts of Islamic Arabs anywhere in the world. It's worded in all their charters and constitutions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The extremism expressed by pro Israeli posters in this thread is exactly why Israel will be attacked. That stupidity will be the cause of so much misery, regardless of who seems to win the war.

You keep confusing 'extremism' with 'refusal to surrender'.

The Israelis have no doubt that they will be attacked again.

That's why the window of opportunity to negotiate-back the Golan and Jerusalem has evaporated forevermore.

And, if the Arabs ever get their $hit together again, to pose another genuine threat to Israel, the Israelis will win again - hugely - on a scale to make 1967 and 1973 look like gentle love-taps by comparison.

You keep confusing 'extremism' with 'refusal to surrender'.

Indeed, like the Palestinians who refuse to surrender.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Indeed, like the Palestinians who refuse to surrender."

Touche'. Not extremism, in their case, but terrorism in pursuit of political objectives, from an incredibly unstable and unsustainable position, destined to be squeezed-out and scattered to the four winds and assimilated piecemeal elsewhere in the coming years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...Yep, true."

Not to worry, Tinny... within a couple of decades, Palestine is going to be viewed as a legitimate state with no territory remaining under its control to call its own. A brief burst of Government-in-Exile status and then it will fizzle-out and fade away, as the rest of the world forgets about it.

Consolidation and mop-up operations continue...

Israel's greatest threat is Palestinians who do not live in Palestine.

Ghada Karmi, Ali Abuminah, Noura Erekat, Huwaida Arraf, Rafeef Ziadah, Laila El Haddad etc.

So keep kicking them out.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Yep, true."

Not to worry, Tinny... within a couple of decades, Palestine is going to be viewed as a legitimate state with no territory remaining under its control to call its own. A brief burst of Government-in-Exile status and then it will fizzle-out and fade away, as the rest of the world forgets about it.

Consolidation and mop-up operations continue...

Israel's greatest threat is Palestinians who do not live in Palestine.

Ghada Karmi, Ali Abuminah, Noura Erekat, Huwaida Arraf, Rafeef Ziadah, Laila El Haddad etc.

So keep kicking them out.

Only in the short term, Tinny... the danger only exists for a few years or a decade or two after they're ejected... and then it fizzles and sputters out.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...Indeed, like the Palestinians who refuse to surrender."

Touche'. Not extremism, in their case, but terrorism in pursuit of political objectives, from an incredibly unstable and unsustainable position, destined to be squeezed-out and scattered to the four winds and assimilated piecemeal elsewhere in the coming years.

Defending your country is a terrorism in pursuit of political objectives?

Interesting concept.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not to worry, Tinny... within a couple of decades, Palestine is going to be viewed as a legitimate state with no territory remaining under its control to call its own. A brief burst of Government-in-Exile status and then it will fizzle-out and fade away, as the rest of the world forgets about it.

Consolidation and mop-up operations continue...

Israel's greatest threat is Palestinians who do not live in Palestine.

Ghada Karmi, Ali Abuminah, Noura Erekat, Huwaida Arraf, Rafeef Ziadah, Laila El Haddad etc.

So keep kicking them out.

Only in the short term, Tinny... the danger only exists for a few years or a decade or two after they're ejected... and then it fizzles and sputters out.

"The Old will die and the young will forget."

How old is that quote?

 

[Kondor3]

"The Old will die and the young will forget." How old is that quote?

Sixty-five years old, if I've got it right. That's a mere blip on the scope, Tinny, the way that Jewish folk measure time. Day-before-yesterday kind of stuff. They're workin' on it, and, within a generation or two after they've completed their consolidation efforts and your kindred have been scattered into surrounding countries and reestablished and living happy lives, the old boy's prediction will have come true. The game-clock continues to run down.

 

[Hossfly]

"...Indeed, like the Palestinians who refuse to surrender."

Touche'. Not extremism, in their case, but terrorism in pursuit of political objectives, from an incredibly unstable and unsustainable position, destined to be squeezed-out and scattered to the four winds and assimilated piecemeal elsewhere in the coming years.

Defending your country is a terrorism in pursuit of political objectives?

Interesting concept.

Wel, Mr.Tinmore, how can the kids forget when they attend summer camps like this?


Summer camp in Gaza: Kids learn to abduct Israelis - Israel Today | Israel News

 

[Kondor3]

"...Indeed, like the Palestinians who refuse to surrender."

Touche'. Not extremism, in their case, but terrorism in pursuit of political objectives, from an incredibly unstable and unsustainable position, destined to be squeezed-out and scattered to the four winds and assimilated piecemeal elsewhere in the coming years.

Defending your country is a terrorism in pursuit of political objectives?

Interesting concept.

Don't look now, Tinny, but your kindred really don't HAVE any country to speak of...

But Hamas and Hezbollah will launch rockets at Israeli civilian population centers even during periods of complete passivity on the part of the Israelis.

That's not 'resistance' or 'defense' - that's stupidly poking the beehive with a stick.

Which strikes me as an bit more crazy ...by an order of magnitude, actually.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Touche'. Not extremism, in their case, but terrorism in pursuit of political objectives, from an incredibly unstable and unsustainable position, destined to be squeezed-out and scattered to the four winds and assimilated piecemeal elsewhere in the coming years.

Defending your country is a terrorism in pursuit of political objectives?

Interesting concept.

Don't look now, Tinny, but your kindred really don't HAVE any country to speak of...

But Hamas and Hezbollah will launch rockets at Israeli civilian population centers even during periods of complete passivity on the part of the Israelis.

That's not 'resistance' or 'defense' - that's stupidly poking the beehive with a stick.

Which strikes me as an bit more crazy ...by an order of magnitude, actually.

Indeed, and Israel owns none of that. Eventually that will come back and bite them on the ass.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Indeed, and Israel owns none of that. Eventually that will come back and bite them on the ass."

Given that there's not much else for you to cling to, continue to hang onto that illusion (delusion?) if it brings you any comfort, but, sadly for you-and-yours, it changes nothing in the Real World, as the game-clock continues to tick down.

 

[toastman]

Defending your country is a terrorism in pursuit of political objectives?

Interesting concept.

Don't look now, Tinny, but your kindred really don't HAVE any country to speak of...

But Hamas and Hezbollah will launch rockets at Israeli civilian population centers even during periods of complete passivity on the part of the Israelis.

That's not 'resistance' or 'defense' - that's stupidly poking the beehive with a stick.

Which strikes me as an bit more crazy ...by an order of magnitude, actually.

Indeed, and Israel owns none of that. Eventually that will come back and bite them on the ass.

Israel is a member of the U.N, yet they down own the land called Israel ?
LOL
United Nations Member States

Theres Israel

But then we go over to P

United Nations Member States

Oh look, no Palestine

Oh Tinnie hahahahae

 

[P F Tinmore]

Don't look now, Tinny, but your kindred really don't HAVE any country to speak of...

But Hamas and Hezbollah will launch rockets at Israeli civilian population centers even during periods of complete passivity on the part of the Israelis.

That's not 'resistance' or 'defense' - that's stupidly poking the beehive with a stick.

Which strikes me as an bit more crazy ...by an order of magnitude, actually.

Indeed, and Israel owns none of that. Eventually that will come back and bite them on the ass.

Israel is a member of the U.N, yet they down own the land called Israel ?
LOL
United Nations Member States

Theres Israel

But then we go over to P

United Nations Member States

Oh look, no Palestine

Oh Tinnie hahahahae

Israel is a member, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Keep hanging on to that.

 

[toastman]

Indeed, and Israel owns none of that. Eventually that will come back and bite them on the ass.

Israel is a member of the U.N, yet they down own the land called Israel ?
LOL
United Nations Member States

Theres Israel

But then we go over to P

United Nations Member States

Oh look, no Palestine

Oh Tinnie hahahahae

Israel is a member, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Keep hanging on to that.

I'm not the one clinging on to a fantasy, you are Tinnie, as Kondor just pointed out.

Notice how there's no Palestine blah blah blah blah

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel is a member of the U.N, yet they down own the land called Israel ?
LOL
United Nations Member States

Theres Israel

But then we go over to P

United Nations Member States

Oh look, no Palestine

Oh Tinnie hahahahae

Israel is a member, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Keep hanging on to that.

I'm not the one clinging on to a fantasy, you are Tinnie, as Kondor just pointed out.

Notice how there's no Palestine blah blah blah blah

Occupations always come to an end and the support for Palestine has increased dramatically over the last decade or two.