A gun control proposal

[g5000]

What a crock of shit, easyt65! You're conflating all the bogey-mans that keep the extreme right living in fear: illegals, crazy shooters, abortionists, immigration...
The real problem is the fact that getting hold of a gun is as easy as buying a car.
So the USA is awash with guns, and any crazy can assemble an arsenal for less than the cost of an old clunker.
Australia seems to have enacted legislation that completely removed the risk of mass shootings, and the USA could do the same, if we could get the power back in the hands of the people. The sane people, that is, not loony 'state of emergency' advocates.

To do what Australia did, you would have to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Good luck with that.

 

[OKTexas]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

 

[2aguy]

What a crock of shit, easyt65! You're conflating all the bogey-mans that keep the extreme right living in fear: illegals, crazy shooters, abortionists, immigration...
The real problem is the fact that getting hold of a gun is as easy as buying a car.
So the USA is awash with guns, and any crazy can assemble an arsenal for less than the cost of an old clunker.
Australia seems to have enacted legislation that completely removed the risk of mass shootings, and the USA could do the same, if we could get the power back in the hands of the people. The sane people, that is, not loony 'state of emergency' advocates.

No, Australia did not remove the risk of mass shooters and in fact had about 3 since the confiscation....and several others that could easily have been mass shootings. The Australians have access to guns....so they can perform mass shootings whenever they want...in fact, the level of gun ownership is back up to the level before the confiscation.....here you go...these are all the shootings after port arthur....the ones that could have been mass shootings are obvious..

You have made the mistake of trusting American journalists who will hide anything that points out that Australian gun laws only work when their nuts choose not to kill people...because their nuts get guns easily too.....


Okay....I have isolated shooting incidents in Australia that could just as easily have turned into mass shooting events....and yes, I know, you are going to move the goal posts and change the results.......in your post you qouted a study that showed no mass shootings in Australia after the ban..and that is obviously not true...look below.....and the only thing that kept some of these shootings from being mass shootings is pure dumb luck...

So no, the gun confiscation in Austrulia did not stop mass shootings....dumb luck did.....since all of these shooters had no trouble getting guns.....right?


Tell me.....how is anything other than luck that kept these from being mass shootings...since the shooter obviously was able to get a gun and shoot people in gun free Australia...right?

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

Do you see how these very easily could have been mass shootings...if the shooter had simply walked into a school, a mall or a crowded theater...so no....Australian gun laws do not keep down mass shootings, they didn't have many before the confiscation, and they also had lower crime rates too...

 

[The Rabbi]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

 

[OKTexas]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

 

[2aguy]

What a crock of shit, easyt65! You're conflating all the bogey-mans that keep the extreme right living in fear: illegals, crazy shooters, abortionists, immigration...
The real problem is the fact that getting hold of a gun is as easy as buying a car.
So the USA is awash with guns, and any crazy can assemble an arsenal for less than the cost of an old clunker.
Australia seems to have enacted legislation that completely removed the risk of mass shootings, and the USA could do the same, if we could get the power back in the hands of the people. The sane people, that is, not loony 'state of emergency' advocates.

To do what Australia did, you would have to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Good luck with that.

And it wouldn't lower our gun crime rate since our social problems are unique and drive our inner city gang, gun crime rate...which increases our rate of gun crime and murder....criminal culture is the problem, not access to guns...

 

[Rustic]

What a crock of shit, easyt65! You're conflating all the bogey-mans that keep the extreme right living in fear: illegals, crazy shooters, abortionists, immigration...
The real problem is the fact that getting hold of a gun is as easy as buying a car.
So the USA is awash with guns, and any crazy can assemble an arsenal for less than the cost of an old clunker.
Australia seems to have enacted legislation that completely removed the risk of mass shootings, and the USA could do the same, if we could get the power back in the hands of the people. The sane people, that is, not loony 'state of emergency' advocates.

Hey, dumb a$$ they had total confiscation of all legal gun possession.
Are stupid in the head??
If the us tried that millions on both sides of the issue would be dead... And then the criminals still would be armed... They are criminals well, because they don't obey laws.

Now go hide jacka$$

 

[Timmy]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

I think it was already addressed .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

 

[The Rabbi]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

I think it was already addressed .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

Do you actually understand any of what you posted?
Prove it by explaining exactly what you mean here.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

Most guns used in crime are obtained through theft.... this will do nothing. It might get your warm and fuzzies going, but it will accomplish nothing.

 

[Auld Phart]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

I think it was already addressed .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

No more than any other place that sells firearms

 

[Timmy]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

Most guns used in crime are obtained through theft.... this will do nothing. It might get your warm and fuzzies going, but it will accomplish nothing.

"Theft" is bullshit . Sure some are stolen, others are sold and claimed to be stolen.


You can improve the theft part by having people be more responsible for their own guns .

 

[The Rabbi]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

Most guns used in crime are obtained through theft.... this will do nothing. It might get your warm and fuzzies going, but it will accomplish nothing.

"Theft" is bullshit . Sure some are stolen, others are sold and claimed to be stolen.


You can improve the theft part by having people be more responsible for their own guns .

Some? You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Timmy]

Well then u tell me !

 

[westwall]

Well then u tell me !

It is a well known fact within law enforcement that the overwhelming majority of weapons used in crime are stolen. There was one famous case down in Los Angeles where it was found that the manufacturer of the cheap Jennings pistols had hired a guy who ended up stealing thousands of their guns and selling them to the gangbangers in the LA area. That was about 20 years ago IIRC.

 

[Ernie S.]

All proving that you have an excellent grasp on the situation.
/sarcasm

 

[Ernie S.]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

 

[Timmy]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

No one is trying to take your guns . Truth is we have a serious gun issue in this country . And they all ain't stolen .

There was a big fbi report that found the big problem is the straw purchases . Guns are not born illegal . People aren't making them in their basements . They are getting ahold of legal guns .

Let's make it tougher for the gangbangers girlfriend to buy a Gun and hand it over to her criminal boyfriend .

 

[The Rabbi]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

No one is trying to take your guns . Truth is we have a serious gun issue in this country . And they all ain't stolen .

There was a big fbi report that found the big problem is the straw purchases . Guns are not born illegal . People aren't making them in their basements . They are getting ahold of legal guns .

Let's make it tougher for the gangbangers girlfriend to buy a Gun and hand it over to her criminal boyfriend .

How do you propose to do that? Make it illegal?

 

[Auld Phart]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

No one is trying to take your guns . Truth is we have a serious gun issue in this country . And they all ain't stolen .

There was a big fbi report that found the big problem is the straw purchases . Guns are not born illegal . People aren't making them in their basements . They are getting ahold of legal guns .

Let's make it tougher for the gangbangers girlfriend to buy a Gun and hand it over to her criminal boyfriend .

How do you propose to do that? Make it illegal?

When I saw this, I thought of timmy