A gun control proposal

[Ernie S.]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

No one is trying to take your guns . Truth is we have a serious gun issue in this country . And they all ain't stolen .

There was a big fbi report that found the big problem is the straw purchases . Guns are not born illegal . People aren't making them in their basements . They are getting ahold of legal guns .

Let's make it tougher for the gangbangers girlfriend to buy a Gun and hand it over to her criminal boyfriend .

Why restrict it to girlfriends. let's restrict guns to those with less than 7 degrees of separation from a known felon or anyone, anyone has ever called insane.

How the hell do you justify preventing Latisha from buying a gun that MAY be handed to Tyrone? Might she be purchasing the gun to protect herself from her gang banger boyfriend?

Her death would go unnoticed by the press and instead the story would be that one less gun was sold.

Pat yourself on the back there guy. You win the propaganda war.

 

[Conservative65]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What about the gun I had stolen from a locked vehicle and was not in plain sight? What type of background check do you suggest to keep criminals from getting guns in those situations?

I think you're a moron. Criminals don't follow the laws.

 

[Timmy]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

 

[The Rabbi]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

She sold them to him and had no idea he was prohibited.
He took them without asking her.
She sold them to someone else who sold them to him.
Etc.
You havent thought this through, have you?

 

[Ernie S.]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

Black names???? What do you mean by that?
I only used names of your typical gangbangers

 

[Auld Phart]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

 

[Timmy]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

 

[Auld Phart]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Show me in the Constitution where you have a right to own a car.

Look up the word 'infringed'.


And TRY to get it into your head, that criminals are NOT going to register their firearms, nor are they going to bother with background checks.

 

[Flash]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

The downside is that it greatly reduces the individual right to keep and bear arms that the Constitution specifically says cannot be infringed.


Background checks - no. That is the government giving an individual permission to enjoy a right guaranteed under the Constitution. It can be and has been abused so no. The government has no authority to regulate a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

No private sales - no. Why should the government have the right to stop me from selling or buying a firearm when the right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under the Bill of Rights?

Gun registration - hell no. Because the Bill of Rights guarantees me the right to keep and bear arms it is none of the government's business what firearms I own.

Magazine capacity restrictions - no. It is none of the government's business how many rounds I have in a magazine. Only if I use the firearm in a crime should it be of concern to the filthy ass government.

Those stupid suggestions will do absolutely nothing to stop crime, only make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to enjoy an individual right guaranteed to them under the Bill of Rights.

It may make the confused and uneducated low information Libtards feel safer but in reality it won't do anything to stop any crime.

 

[The Rabbi]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Gun control leads to gun bans. Always and everywhere.
Registering guns is a failure. California and some other states already do this and they have just as high crime rates as anyone else, higher maybe.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .
Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes .

1: There is no 'gun show loophole'
2: We already have background checks for sales through dealers.
3: Universal background checks are unenforceable; unenforceable laws are unnecessary.

Gun registration... Local gun licenses thru the police

There's no sound argument for the necessity of either.
Disagree? Please feel free to respond to this discussion:
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
No sound argument for the necessity of these things means they will not pass constitutional muster.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want

In return for allowing their rights to be further limited... the law abiding get to exercise their rights?
You offer this as a compromise when in fact you want gun owners to give up something while offering -nothing- in return
That being the case, why should gun owners go along with these things?

 

[Timmy]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Gun control leads to gun bans. Always and everywhere.
Registering guns is a failure. California and some other states already do this and they have just as high crime rates as anyone else, higher maybe.

There are lots of states wh good laws and lower gun crime than gun nut states. They'd do better too if the gun nut states didnt sabatage thier efforts.

 

[M14 Shooter]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Gun control leads to gun bans. Always and everywhere.
Registering guns is a failure. California and some other states already do this and they have just as high crime rates as anyone else, higher maybe.

There are lots of states wh good laws and lower gun crime than gun nut states. They'd do better too if the gun nut states didnt sabatage thier efforts.

Compare and contrast the gun laws in CA and VT
Compare and contrast the gun-related violence in CA and VT
What does this tell you?

 

[Ernie S.]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

We have responsible ownership now. We will always have criminals and irresponsible people who will not follow laws. One more law will be just as effective as all the others. What you want is to blame Joe Blow for what John Doe does with a gun after he steals it.

The only gun law we really need is "Thou shalt not kill"

 

[OKTexas]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

I think it was already addressed .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

So all you got is an uninformed generalized statement. ALL FFL dealer sales require a background check, doesn't matter where it transpires, whether it be at a gun show or brick and mortar store. Private sales, say over the internet must be shipped to a FFL in the recipients state where a background check is required to complete the transfer. Only hand to hand private sales do not require a background check. So your big loophole doesn't exist.

 

[Auld Phart]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Gun control leads to gun bans. Always and everywhere.
Registering guns is a failure. California and some other states already do this and they have just as high crime rates as anyone else, higher maybe.

There are lots of states wh good laws and lower gun crime than gun nut states. They'd do better too if the gun nut states didnt sabatage thier efforts.

and comparing cities gives just the opposite results.

 

[Timmy]

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

i find your use of black names to be racist .

But anyway. If Becky Sue buys a gun and gives it to bubba , she is on the hook for what bubba does with it . We know the connection cause it's registered to her . She'll think twice about handing over guns if her ass will be on the line as an accessory .

"Criminals don't follow the law , let's not have laws!" That's such a billshit excuse .

Who's using that for an excuse?

The ONLY way to get the 'laws' you want passed, is to repeal the 2nd, and have house to house searches to confiscate firearms.

Never happen

Not true . Conservative fallacy that gun control = gun bans.

Like I said at the start. Treat guns like cars . Ownership /title follows the gun . When u sell it to the next guy, it's registered under him.

No gun banning, jut responsible ownership .

Gun control leads to gun bans. Always and everywhere.
Registering guns is a failure. California and some other states already do this and they have just as high crime rates as anyone else, higher maybe.

There are lots of states wh good laws and lower gun crime than gun nut states. They'd do better too if the gun nut states didnt sabatage thier efforts.

Compare and contrast the gun laws in CA and VT
Compare and contrast the gun-related violence in CA and VT
What does this tell you?

Why would u compare Cali wh Vermont ? A rural state wh like 5 people compared to the most populated state wh probably 30 cities larger than Burlington Vt . ?

You are being intellectually dishonest . How about using similar states ? Texas vs New York ? Arizona vs Mass?

U pick the statistic even. Gun deaths, gun homicides . U choose and I'll go look.

 

[OKTexas]

Well then u tell me !

We have been for days now. People are the problem.
There are 4 loaded handguns and on loaded shotgun withinn 15 feet of where I sit. There are quite a few unloaded weapons close by as well. Not a single one of them has taken a life, at least since WW II.
None has ever made a decision to kill on its own. None of them have left the house without me or accidentally discharged. They are safer than sticking your head up your ass as you have done.

FIX PEOPLE.
Leave my rights the fuck alone.​

No one is trying to take your guns . Truth is we have a serious gun issue in this country . And they all ain't stolen .

There was a big fbi report that found the big problem is the straw purchases . Guns are not born illegal . People aren't making them in their basements . They are getting ahold of legal guns .

Let's make it tougher for the gangbangers girlfriend to buy a Gun and hand it over to her criminal boyfriend .

Straw purchases are already illegal, most are done with a background check, how you gonna stop that? BTW how many illegal guns do you think are coming across our southern border, but I bet you're one of those open borders freaks.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why would u compare Cali wh Vermont ?

VT has no state-level gun control law; CA has among the tightest of any state.
Per capita, Gun-related crime is virtually non-existent in VT; per capita gun-related crime in CA is considerably higher than the national average.

A rural state wh like 5 people compared to the most populated state wh probably 30 cities larger than Burlington Vt . ?

You're arguing that stronger gun control leads to less gun crime -- why would any of that matter?

 

[Timmy]

How about a real conversation about the gun issue .

Here's what I think .

Background Checks, no private sale or gun show loopholes . Gun registration so we can follow the gun and prevent straw purchases. Local gun licenses thru the police Those things would help keep guns away from criminals and kooks . That's the majority of the gun problem.

In return . The law abiding can buy all the guns they want . U can only shoot 2 at a time at best . U want a 20 round clip, go ahead and have a party . License to carry, ok with me .


What's the down side ?

What is a gun show loophole? Be very specific.

You know. The loophole that says all gun laws are suspended in shows. Anyone can buy anything, even full auto weapons, just by showing enough cash. It's in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.

I want little timmy to answer the question.

I think it was already addressed .

Gun shows n private sales are ripe for straw purchases .

So all you got is an uninformed generalized statement. ALL FFL dealer sales require a background check, doesn't matter where it transpires, whether it be at a gun show or brick and mortar store. Private sales, say over the internet must be shipped to a FFL in the recipients where a background check is required to complete the transfer. Only hand to hand private sales do not require a background check. So your big loophole doesn't exist.

But u just said private sales don't require a check . How is that not a loophole?