A historical film on hitler

[L.K.Eder]

The film will be worthwhile if it reports accurately that Hitler, on achieving power, sided with the capitalists and corporatists, and then murdered the socialist leadership in the Party during the "night of the long knives." If the film incorporates that truth, then it might be well worth watching.

Night of the long knives was Hitler wiping out opposition within his own infrastructure. The brownshirts and the SA.

He wiped out the communists and social democrats before the NotLK. The Reichstag fire and the subsequent Leipzig Trial is what Hitler used to go after the communists and socialists.

you are not in disagreement here

but brownshirts is just a name for the members of the SA.

not two separate organizations.

 

[RadiomanATL]

The film will be worthwhile if it reports accurately that Hitler, on achieving power, sided with the capitalists and corporatists, and then murdered the socialist leadership in the Party during the "night of the long knives." If the film incorporates that truth, then it might be well worth watching.

Night of the long knives was Hitler wiping out opposition within his own infrastructure. The brownshirts and the SA.

He wiped out the communists and social democrats before the NotLK. The Reichstag fire and the subsequent Leipzig Trial is what Hitler used to go after the communists and socialists.

you are not in disagreement here

but brownshirts is just a name for the members of the SA.

not two separate organizations.

You're right.

 

[L.K.Eder]

i just remembered, this spring my father found a postcard written by his father (my grandfather) to his little brother (my great-uncle) for his 4th birthday.

my grandfather was a student in berlin, then.

it was this card:

Exponat: Postkarte: "Reichstagsgebäude in Flammen", nach dem 27. Februar 1933

 

[JakeStarkey]

Actions certainly speak louder than words, and, Bigreb, you have certainly prove that here.

If Hitler were a socialist as absolute dictator, he would have nationalized industry.

Guess what, bigreb: he did not.

Massive OP fail.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The film will be worthwhile if it reports accurately that Hitler, on achieving power, sided with the capitalists and corporatists, and then murdered the socialist leadership in the Party during the "night of the long knives." If the film incorporates that truth, then it might be well worth watching.

Night of the long knives was Hitler wiping out opposition within his own infrastructure. The brownshirts and the SA.

He wiped out the communists and social democrats before the NotLK. The Reichstag fire and the subsequent Leipzig Trial is what Hitler used to go after the communists and socialists.

And stalin did the same thing to his people.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actions certainly speak louder than words, and, Bigreb, you have certainly prove that here.

If Hitler were a socialist as absolute dictator, he would have nationalized industry.

Guess what, bigreb: he did not.

Massive OP fail.

The only thing that change hitler was his dictator views. After all socialism is the vehicle dictators use to get to where they want to go.

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"
Adolf Hitler
quoted in Robert N. Proctor, The Nazi War on Cancer (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1999), p. 74.

 

[jillian]

The only thing that change hitler was his dictator views. After all socialism is the vehicle dictators use to get to where they want to go.

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"
Adolf Hitler
quoted in Robert N. Proctor, The Nazi War on Cancer (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1999), p. 74.

Hitler was not a socialist... he was a fascist.

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and no matter how many lies and how many times you tell them, just because you hate anyone who disagrees with you doesn't make them nazis.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The only thing that change hitler was his dictator views. After all socialism is the vehicle dictators use to get to where they want to go.

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"
Adolf Hitler
quoted in Robert N. Proctor, The Nazi War on Cancer (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1999), p. 74.

Hitler was not a socialist... he was a fascist.

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined extreme right-wing political views along with collectivism

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and no matter how many lies and how many times you tell them, just because you hate anyone who disagrees with you doesn't make them nazis.

Really jillian?

The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
Edited down, refer to the link for the entire article
The History Place - Rise of Hitler: The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

It sounds like socialism to me[/QUOTE]

 

[RadiomanATL]

The film will be worthwhile if it reports accurately that Hitler, on achieving power, sided with the capitalists and corporatists, and then murdered the socialist leadership in the Party during the "night of the long knives." If the film incorporates that truth, then it might be well worth watching.

Night of the long knives was Hitler wiping out opposition within his own infrastructure. The brownshirts and the SA.

He wiped out the communists and social democrats before the NotLK. The Reichstag fire and the subsequent Leipzig Trial is what Hitler used to go after the communists and socialists.

And stalin did the same thing to his people.

Stalin murdered the communists and socialists in his country?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Night of the long knives was Hitler wiping out opposition within his own infrastructure. The brownshirts and the SA.

He wiped out the communists and social democrats before the NotLK. The Reichstag fire and the subsequent Leipzig Trial is what Hitler used to go after the communists and socialists.

And stalin did the same thing to his people.

Stalin murdered the communists and socialists in his country?

so how many of the 60 million that he had killed do you think were communist?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Actions certainly speak louder than words, and, Bigreb, you have certainly prove that here.

If Hitler were a socialist as absolute dictator, he would have nationalized industry.

Guess what, bigreb: he did not.

Massive OP fail.

The only thing that change hitler was his dictator views. After all socialism is the vehicle dictators use to get to where they want to go.

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Adolf Hitler quoted in Robert N. Proctor, The Nazi War on Cancer (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1999), p. 74.

Didn't think any of us would look it up and put the quote in context, bigrebnc? Let me help you out then from before and after the quote.

”The Communist party had grown in recent years, though internecine squabbling had kept the Left from forming a united front, giving Hitler and his acolytes their opening. Hitler’s party did not scare off business as did the communists: when asked whether he would nationalize industry, Hitler replied: “why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?”

“Labor projected a special, almost magical, aura for the Nazis, art and literature celebrated the virtues of the workingmen, echoing similar serenades by the Stakhanovites in Russia and the social realists in America . . . . The workingman was a hero, the nonworking man a degenerate asocial.”

Clearly the author doesn't think the Nazis were socialist because he obviously understood they were not considered as part of the Left. Business liked the Nazis. Thus, the mockery is apparent when Hitler says, in substance, that industry did not need to be nationalized because he had the working man already while also having business supporting him. He worked with business while glorifying the "working man as a hero. . .".

bigrebnc, you really have to do more than look up quotes and then twist them to fit your philosophy. You have to study and study and study so you know what the HELL your are talking about, then adjust your philosophy to fit the facts.

Stay here long enough and you may get straightened out.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actions certainly speak louder than words, and, Bigreb, you have certainly prove that here.

If Hitler were a socialist as absolute dictator, he would have nationalized industry.

Guess what, bigreb: he did not.

Massive OP fail.

The only thing that change hitler was his dictator views. After all socialism is the vehicle dictators use to get to where they want to go.

"Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Adolf Hitler quoted in Robert N. Proctor, The Nazi War on Cancer (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1999), p. 74.

Didn't think any of us would look it up and put the quote in context, bigrebnc? Let me help you out then from before and after the quote.

”The Communist party had grown in recent years, though internecine squabbling had kept the Left from forming a united front, giving Hitler and his acolytes their opening. Hitler’s party did not scare off business as did the communists: when asked whether he would nationalize industry, Hitler replied: “why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?”

“Labor projected a special, almost magical, aura for the Nazis, art and literature celebrated the virtues of the workingmen, echoing similar serenades by the Stakhanovites in Russia and the social realists in America . . . . The workingman was a hero, the nonworking man a degenerate asocial.”

Clearly the author doesn't think the Nazis were socialist because he obviously understood they were not considered as part of the Left. Business liked the Nazis. Thus, the mockery is apparent when Hitler says, in substance, that industry did not need to be nationalized because he had the working man already while also having business supporting him. He worked with business while glorifying the "working man as a hero. . .".

bigrebnc, you really have to do more than look up quotes and then twist them to fit your philosophy. You have to study and study and study so you know what the HELL your are talking about, then adjust your philosophy to fit the facts.

Stay here long enough and you may get straightened out.

Didn't think any of us would look it up and put the quote in context, bigrebnc? Let me help you out then from before and after the quote.

asswipe why did you think I provided the place the quote could be found? jack ass your the one thats bad about twisting anything and everything. So be gone saulk alinsky

Hitler is calling you a liar jake

The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
Edited down, refer to the link for the entire article.
The History Place - Rise of Hitler: The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

It sounds like socialism to me[/QUOTE]

 

[JakeStarkey]

You could call me jimmy crackcorn, your cousin, and it means nothing. Now answer the constructive criticism.

Clearly the author doesn't think the Nazis were socialist because he obviously understood they were not considered as part of the Left. Business liked the Nazis. Thus, the mockery is apparent when Hitler says, in substance, that industry did not need to be nationalized because he had the working man already while also having business supporting him. He worked with business while glorifying the "working man as a hero. . .".

bigrebnc, you really have to do more than look up quotes and then twist them to fit your philosophy. You have to study and study and study so you know what the HELL your are talking about, then adjust your philosophy to fit the facts.

Stay here long enough and you may get straightened out.

 

[jillian]

a) i don't read posts that long.

b) you're in violation of board copyright rules. cut down the quote to comply with those rules.

c) you're cherrypicking a couple of things and not understanding.

d) i'm not going to bother explaining why you're showing a lack of understanding because you aren't worth the time and won't learn anything from it.

 

[RadiomanATL]

And stalin did the same thing to his people.

Stalin murdered the communists and socialists in his country?

so how many of the 60 million that he had killed do you think were communist?

Maybe less than half.

The point, which you fail to understand, is that Hitler targeted socialists and communists. Stalin didn't.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

a) i don't read posts that long.

b) you're in violation of board copyright rules. cut down the quote to comply with those rules.

c) you're cherrypicking a couple of things and not understanding.

d) i'm not going to bother explaining why you're showing a lack of understanding because you aren't worth the time and won't learn anything from it.

a) i don't read posts that long.

Fine stop giving your opinion.

b) you're in violation of board copyright rules. cut down the quote to comply with those rules.
OH now the rules have been violated? is that how this board stops the truth?

c) you're cherrypicking a couple of things and not understanding.
What have I cherry picked?

d) i'm not going to bother explaining why you're showing a lack of understanding because you aren't worth the time and won't learn anything from it.

Maybe you are the one that needs to learn jillian, I have given you hitlers demands the only weapon you have is denial, have fun swimming in that river.

 

[JakeStarkey]

b) you're in violation of board copyright rules. cut down the quote to comply with those rules.
OH now the rules have been violated? is that how this board stops the truth?
You are spamming, bigrebnc

c) you're cherrypicking a couple of things and not understanding.
What have I cherry picked?
Read my post above

d) i'm not going to bother explaining why you're showing a lack of understanding because you aren't worth the time and won't learn anything from it.
Maybe you are the one that needs to learn jillian, I have given you hitlers demands the only weapon you have is denial, have fun swimming in that river.
Only you, bigreb, are in denial in this thread. You have given us only Hitler's demands, which were easily pulled apart by those here far more knowledgable on this matter than you.

You are the one trying to violate the truth, and that won't be permitted.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You could call me jimmy crackcorn, your cousin, and it means nothing. Now answer the constructive criticism.

Clearly the author doesn't think the Nazis were socialist because he obviously understood they were not considered as part of the Left. Business liked the Nazis. Thus, the mockery is apparent when Hitler says, in substance, that industry did not need to be nationalized because he had the working man already while also having business supporting him. He worked with business while glorifying the "working man as a hero. . .".

bigrebnc, you really have to do more than look up quotes and then twist them to fit your philosophy. You have to study and study and study so you know what the HELL your are talking about, then adjust your philosophy to fit the facts.

Stay here long enough and you may get straightened out.

It's time you learn the truth maybe you socialist will finally accept the truth that hitler was a socialist. a dictator that used socialism to gain the power and control to rule his country and people.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

b) you're in violation of board copyright rules. cut down the quote to comply with those rules.
OH now the rules have been violated? is that how this board stops the truth?
You are spamming, bigrebnc

c) you're cherrypicking a couple of things and not understanding.
What have I cherry picked?
Read my post above

d) i'm not going to bother explaining why you're showing a lack of understanding because you aren't worth the time and won't learn anything from it.
Maybe you are the one that needs to learn jillian, I have given you hitlers demands the only weapon you have is denial, have fun swimming in that river.
Only you, bigreb, are in denial in this thread. You have given us only Hitler's demands, which were easily pulled apart by those here far more knowledgable on this matter than you.

You are the one trying to violate the truth, and that won't be permitted.

Fuck you son of a bitch

 

[JakeStarkey]

One, I am not a socialist.

Two, Hitler was not a socialist.

Three, Hitler did not use "socialism to gain the power and . . .".

Four, you are the dupe of those far smarter but just as bad as you. You are the equivalent of a Joe McCarthy pawn.