A Map of How We Can Divide the USA and Let the Far Left Have Big Safe Zones

[Mac1958]

While I admit the thought of just splitting the country has its appeal, considering how divided we've become, the whole idea is moot.

So, I guess we're stuck with deciding what the future will be - either we'll decide to grow up and get along like adults, or we'll just continue to decay into mediocrity.

Probably the first step would be for each "side" to realize it's not going to "beat" the other "side" as if this were an episode of professional wrestling.
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[Missourian]

While I admit the thought of just splitting the country has its appeal, considering how divided we've become, the whole idea is moot.

So, I guess we're stuck with deciding what the future will be - either we'll decide to grow up and get along like adults, or we'll just continue to decay into mediocrity.

Probably the first step would be for each "side" to realize it's not going to "beat" the other "side" as if this were an episode of professional wrestling.
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[ScienceRocks]

The conservative nation would be one of the poorest and most backwards shit holes on earth.
The liberal parts would be first world and lead the world.

 

[DrainBamage]

You do realize that both unemployment and disability has been paid for by employees/employers? That means he has already worked to pay for those benefits he is now receiving and doesn't need to rely on anyone else's tax dollars.

You don't understand how the system works from an actuarial standpoint.

One person (and their employer) do not pay in enough to cover one person, if everyone claimed disability/unemployment the system couldn't pay it all out. Everyone pays in and the minority percentage who actually make a claim collect from both what they put in and what everyone else who didn't make a claim put in.

 

[Old Rocks]

Would not work that way, Jim. As is, we liberals support you dead weight conservatives. For the best results, put on a few red dots, and have the rest blue. That way, the nation will have a surplus.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

So, in other words, you guys get all the barren land, and we get all the money?

I don't know if you guys thought this one through.

You won't be getting all the money, you'll be getting all the bums and welfare leaches.

CA is THE welfare state and the big cities is where all the losers live.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Is California the welfare capital?

https://www.quora.com/Does-California-really-have-30-of-the-USAs-welfare-cases

California Wins Title for the Nation’s Largest Welfare Population

 

[Iceweasel]

So, in other words, you guys get all the barren land, and we get all the money?

I don't know if you guys thought this one through.

I think you need to leave the big city and go for a drive.

 

[Iceweasel]

You do realize that both unemployment and disability has been paid for by employees/employers? That means he has already worked to pay for those benefits he is now receiving and doesn't need to rely on anyone else's tax dollars.

You don't understand how the system works from an actuarial standpoint.

One person (and their employer) do not pay in enough to cover one person, if everyone claimed disability/unemployment the system couldn't pay it all out. Everyone pays in and the minority percentage who actually make a claim collect from both what they put in and what everyone else who didn't make a claim put in.

You don't understand basic economics. The government takes the money, that doesn't mean the money came from government.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

You do realize that both unemployment and disability has been paid for by employees/employers? That means he has already worked to pay for those benefits he is now receiving and doesn't need to rely on anyone else's tax dollars.

You don't understand how the system works from an actuarial standpoint.

One person (and their employer) do not pay in enough to cover one person, if everyone claimed disability/unemployment the system couldn't pay it all out. Everyone pays in and the minority percentage who actually make a claim collect from both what they put in and what everyone else who didn't make a claim put in.

Well guess what.......for unemployment, both conservatives and liberals pay into it and both make claims against it when the company lays both off....YES???

Same or similar with Disability.......both parties pay into it over the course of their working years, both get disabled and NOT ABLE to work any longer, so both make claims against what they've paid in. Because the benefits you receive are based on and calculated from the amount you have paid into the system.

So your insinuation that only conservatives become disabled just to make the liberals pay for it......is bullshit.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Oh and another point? Social Security & Disability works almost exactly like Optional Disability Insurance you can purchase thru your EMPLOYER, if they provide that option. Some employers will even pay a portion of the premiums, or provide a small basic insurance but also giving you the option to purchase additional insurance at your own expense. If your employer doesn't provide insurance options, you are free to purchase thru private companies such as AFLAC, or most any insurance company. Either way, you still have to pay into it for a certain amount of time before receiving payments from it.

You have to work for the company for so many years and pay into or purchase said insurance for a certain amount of time before you are eligible to receive any payments back from it in the case of becoming disabled for any reason. Same rules apply with Social Security.....you have to work for a minimum number of 'hours' that usually translates into years, before you are either eligible for retirement payments at full retirement age....or you become disabled before full retirement age and unable to work due to disability that is expected to last more than 12 months or result in death.

They all calculate payments by how much you've paid into it vs how old you are at the time of claim and how many years you are expected to draw from it,....this determines how much you receive each month. If you've only worked & paid into it from a minimum wage job for say 5 years, you are now 30 years old at time of disability and expected to live & draw from it another 45 years..........you'll be lucky to get $100 a month. If you earned more money and/or paid into it longer, and the same age.......you'd get more. Or if you were older say 50, making minimum wage for 35years.....you'd receive more. Change up any of those factors and it will change up the benefit amount.


Either way, the only differences between private insurance and Social Security is this..........private insurance is usually optional and is handled by a private company and subject to their rules. Social Security is mandatory and handled by the government and their rules.

If you haven't worked or worked enough to qualify for those benefits (private or SS), then you may be eligible for SSI (Supplemental Security Income) &/or welfare and those are publically funded government entitlement programs......NOT the same thing.


Anyone that has worked for any number of years knows these things.....so it's rather telling when they pass judgement without the facts.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Would not work that way, Jim. As is, we liberals support you dead weight conservatives. For the best results, put on a few red dots, and have the rest blue. That way, the nation will have a surplus.

A surplus of what?