A message from a veteran about firearms in this country

[Divine Wind]

I am a military veteran. When I enlisted, I swore an oath to obey orders from all who were appointed over me. If the commander in chief orders the confiscation of civilian firearms, as an order, it must be carried out in accordance with the oath of loyalty we swore.

Bullshit. You were kicked out after 180 days for fraudulent enlistment and walked away with an other than honorable discharge. That will follow you t'ill the end of your days.

Blindly obeying illegal orders is a crime. Had you paid attention while they were teaching you this in basic training, you wouldn't post such drivel. But go ahead and run with that. It worked so well for Generals Jodl and Keitel.

You know Willie, I agree with your second paragraph, but I don't really like what you wrote in the first.

He said before in his post that while yeah, he was discharged after 6 months, he had a General Under Honorable Conditions, which basically means he did okay for the short time he was there, but they don't have any real way of evaluating him, which is why he got a GUHC.

And no...............a GUHC doesn't have much impact on getting a job later. It's the ones below that where people have problems.

And..............while you may have little regard for their opinions, please don't disparage another person's service, no matter the duration of it, as long as there is "honorable" attached to their discharge. It could have been medical, it could have been previously undisclosed medical conditions (his was), or it could have been just about anything. GUHC is a VERY broad discharge type, meaning it covers a lot of different situations.

I know. I was a US Navy Personnelman for 20 years. And while I may take pot shots at someones views or politics, I never disparage another person's service.

Not even SCPO Pollock, who I find to be a perfectly reprehensible human being, but he served, so I leave his service alone.

His opinions and views on the other hand? Open season on them.

I wish people could talk intelligently about ideas rather than tearing down other posters.

You read too much into my post. Tap the brakes just a bit.

ROFL. Thanks for the laugh, and agreed, WilliePete!

 

[Divine Wind]

FWIW, I've had friends and known people afterward who had served, but due to injuries, medical conditions or other reasons not their fault, were discharged only a few weeks or a year into their service. As much as I like them and recognize that they'd tried to serve their country, if they spent the rest of their life bragging they were a "vet", I would have less respect for them even though the term "veteran" has no time or length of service limit.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The fact that we don't just ask whether a proposed bill is good for the country and that's all we have to decide, but first we have to ask whether it is Constitutional proves that being obstructed by a Constitution is not good for the country

Actually it is excellent proof of just the opposite. It helps stop legislation that only benefits a particular agenda rather than the Country as a whole. Don't like what the Constitution says? People can change it if enough agree. Be advised that there are many Americans sworn to defend the Constitution.

A Scrap of 18th Century Government Paper Doesn't Give You Your Gun Rights

What a slave you are to whatever the Establishment tells you to believe. The Constitution was set up to promote the particular agenda of the ruling class. In a free, self-determining country, it would have been a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation.

Many doctors take the Hippocratic Oath; does that mean they believe in the Greek god of healing? Swearing to defend the Constitution is just a metaphor for defending our country. Notice that the spawn of the ruling class hardly ever have to defend our country, but the Chickenhawks are the loudest at defending their totalitarian Constitution. Nobody bullies a free man, and the Constitution is just for plutocratic bullies and their sissy buttboys.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

Let's clear my service record up.

I enlisted without disclosing a preexisting medical condition. I did so because I was only 18 at the time, an still brainwashed by right wing propaganda in which all soldiers were "heroes." I wanted to be a "hero," badly, and even went so far as to downplay my condition to the recruiter.

I served for MORE than 180 days. I mention serving for MORE than 180 days since 180 days is the cutoff for most veteran's benefits in this country.

I successfully passed 12B OSUT and Airborne school. I was awarded airborne school for my fantastic performance at OSUT, including having a 286 APFT and passing every single written exam with zero wrong answers. I also earned a meritorious promotion from Private to PV2.

After airborne school, I was stationed at Fort Bragg as part of the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the 82nd Airborne Division. During an FTX, my preexisting medical condition suddenly started flaring up again, out of nowhere. To make a long story short, my chain of command had no choice but to chapter me out with a Chapter 5-11 and a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

The fact that we don't just ask whether a proposed bill is good for the country and that's all we have to decide, but first we have to ask whether it is Constitutional proves that being obstructed by a Constitution is not good for the country

Actually it is excellent proof of just the opposite. It helps stop legislation that only benefits a particular agenda rather than the Country as a whole. Don't like what the Constitution says? People can change it if enough agree. Be advised that there are many Americans sworn to defend the Constitution.

A Scrap of 18th Century Government Paper Doesn't Give You Your Gun Rights

What a slave you are to whatever the Establishment tells you to believe. The Constitution was set up to promote the particular agenda of the ruling class. In a free, self-determining country, it would have been a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation.

Many doctors take the Hippocratic Oath; does that mean they believe in the Greek god of healing? Swearing to defend the Constitution is just a metaphor for defending our country. Notice that the spawn of the ruling class hardly ever have to defend our country, but the Chickenhawks are the loudest at defending their totalitarian Constitution. Nobody bullies a free man, and the Constitution is just for plutocratic bullies and their sissy buttboys.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

 

[9thIDdoc]

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"I enlisted without disclosing a preexisting medical condition..."

Mental retardation? Shoulda joined the Marines. They would never have noticed.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The fact that we don't just ask whether a proposed bill is good for the country and that's all we have to decide, but first we have to ask whether it is Constitutional proves that being obstructed by a Constitution is not good for the country

Actually it is excellent proof of just the opposite. It helps stop legislation that only benefits a particular agenda rather than the Country as a whole. Don't like what the Constitution says? People can change it if enough agree. Be advised that there are many Americans sworn to defend the Constitution.

A Scrap of 18th Century Government Paper Doesn't Give You Your Gun Rights

What a slave you are to whatever the Establishment tells you to believe. The Constitution was set up to promote the particular agenda of the ruling class. In a free, self-determining country, it would have been a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation.

Many doctors take the Hippocratic Oath; does that mean they believe in the Greek god of healing? Swearing to defend the Constitution is just a metaphor for defending our country. Notice that the spawn of the ruling class hardly ever have to defend our country, but the Chickenhawks are the loudest at defending their totalitarian Constitution. Nobody bullies a free man, and the Constitution is just for plutocratic bullies and their sissy buttboys.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

 

[OKTexas]

Let's clear my service record up.

I enlisted without disclosing a preexisting medical condition. I did so because I was only 18 at the time, an still brainwashed by right wing propaganda in which all soldiers were "heroes." I wanted to be a "hero," badly, and even went so far as to downplay my condition to the recruiter.

I served for MORE than 180 days. I mention serving for MORE than 180 days since 180 days is the cutoff for most veteran's benefits in this country.

I successfully passed 12B OSUT and Airborne school. I was awarded airborne school for my fantastic performance at OSUT, including having a 286 APFT and passing every single written exam with zero wrong answers. I also earned a meritorious promotion from Private to PV2.

After airborne school, I was stationed at Fort Bragg as part of the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the 82nd Airborne Division. During an FTX, my preexisting medical condition suddenly started flaring up again, out of nowhere. To make a long story short, my chain of command had no choice but to chapter me out with a Chapter 5-11 and a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge.

So you're a liar who wasted a ton of taxpayer money and now you're commie pinko fagot, that loves authoritarian dictators. Couldn't get more un-American in you tried.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

Let's clear my service record up.

I enlisted without disclosing a preexisting medical condition. I did so because I was only 18 at the time, an still brainwashed by right wing propaganda in which all soldiers were "heroes." I wanted to be a "hero," badly, and even went so far as to downplay my condition to the recruiter.

I served for MORE than 180 days. I mention serving for MORE than 180 days since 180 days is the cutoff for most veteran's benefits in this country.

I successfully passed 12B OSUT and Airborne school. I was awarded airborne school for my fantastic performance at OSUT, including having a 286 APFT and passing every single written exam with zero wrong answers. I also earned a meritorious promotion from Private to PV2.

After airborne school, I was stationed at Fort Bragg as part of the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the 82nd Airborne Division. During an FTX, my preexisting medical condition suddenly started flaring up again, out of nowhere. To make a long story short, my chain of command had no choice but to chapter me out with a Chapter 5-11 and a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge.

So you're a liar who wasted a ton of taxpayer money and now you're commie pinko fagot, that loves authoritarian dictators. Couldn't get more un-American in you tried.

If by "anti-american," you mean pro-worker's rights, anti-racism, feminist, and supportive of equality for all citizens, then yes, I am "anti american," and proud of it.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

A Scrap of 18th Century Government Paper Doesn't Give You Your Gun Rights

What a slave you are to whatever the Establishment tells you to believe. The Constitution was set up to promote the particular agenda of the ruling class. In a free, self-determining country, it would have been a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation.

Many doctors take the Hippocratic Oath; does that mean they believe in the Greek god of healing? Swearing to defend the Constitution is just a metaphor for defending our country. Notice that the spawn of the ruling class hardly ever have to defend our country, but the Chickenhawks are the loudest at defending their totalitarian Constitution. Nobody bullies a free man, and the Constitution is just for plutocratic bullies and their sissy buttboys.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

 

[Wyatt earp]

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

Lmao, since when we're the democrats the past 40 years for the working class? If they we're I would still be living in a blue state.



.

 

[9thIDdoc]

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

Untrue.

 

[ChairmanGonzalo]

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

Lmao, since when we're the democrats the past 40 years for the working class? If they we're I would still be living in a blue state.



.

The democrats are not the friends of the working class. That's why I'm not a democrat.

I'm a socialist. Democrats are not socialists.

The Dems are the shiner of two turds between them and the gop. That's their only redeeming quality

 

[2aguy]

There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .

Sheep Goosestepping Behind Chickenhawks

If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

The democrats are importing illegals to take the jobs of the working class, putting coal miners and oil workers out of work, they are the party of racism...all the core groups of the democrat party are openly and proudly racist and all of their leaders are as well...defenders of actual sexual predators...including rapists who destroy the women who come forward to protect these democrat males....and equality for democrat leaders who get the FBI and the Department of Justice to ignore their crimes........

You mean like that?

 

[2aguy]

No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.

Yeah, like losing against them?

I'm still here. They ain't. Sounds like a win to me.

We're governing Vietnam now, not the south vietnamese puppet state you were fighting alongside. So they won.

"We" who?

The working class

Lmao, since when we're the democrats the past 40 years for the working class? If they we're I would still be living in a blue state.



.

The democrats are not the friends of the working class. That's why I'm not a democrat.

I'm a socialist. Democrats are not socialists.

The Dems are the shiner of two turds between them and the gop. That's their only redeeming quality

Socialists are not friends of workers....they make slaves of everyone.....

 

[OKTexas]

Let's clear my service record up.

I enlisted without disclosing a preexisting medical condition. I did so because I was only 18 at the time, an still brainwashed by right wing propaganda in which all soldiers were "heroes." I wanted to be a "hero," badly, and even went so far as to downplay my condition to the recruiter.

I served for MORE than 180 days. I mention serving for MORE than 180 days since 180 days is the cutoff for most veteran's benefits in this country.

I successfully passed 12B OSUT and Airborne school. I was awarded airborne school for my fantastic performance at OSUT, including having a 286 APFT and passing every single written exam with zero wrong answers. I also earned a meritorious promotion from Private to PV2.

After airborne school, I was stationed at Fort Bragg as part of the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the 82nd Airborne Division. During an FTX, my preexisting medical condition suddenly started flaring up again, out of nowhere. To make a long story short, my chain of command had no choice but to chapter me out with a Chapter 5-11 and a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge.

So you're a liar who wasted a ton of taxpayer money and now you're commie pinko fagot, that loves authoritarian dictators. Couldn't get more un-American in you tried.

If by "anti-american," you mean pro-worker's rights, anti-racism, feminist, and supportive of equality for all citizens, then yes, I am "anti american," and proud of it.

Bullshit, in another thread you rattled of some 3rd world tin horn dictators as models, to include Castro. I said what I had to say, I won't bump your commie thread anymore.

 

[williepete]

Socialists are not friends of workers....they make slaves of everyone.....

This quote should be etched in stone.

I've had the honor of meeting and spending time with refugees from China and North Korea. I've heard first hand from people who have escaped from a workers' paradise. And American leftists want to recreate that workers' pardise here.

Sick.

 

[Iceweasel]

All this talk is for nothing. Guns are a Constitutional right. Deal with it, losers.

Not for long.The supreme court is gonna be at full strength again, and the person doing the appointing won't be Trump. The 5-4 majority in favor of the nra in 2008 will be reversed.

The NRA? You truly are stupid. Regardless of any court rulings, you'd have to confiscate 300 million firearms. Who's going to do it?

I hope he's one of the liberals who tries....

Liberals get other people to do their dirty work. They talk big and are quite free with your money but they need government to carry out their wet dreams.

I am a military veteran. When I enlisted, I swore an oath to obey orders from all who were appointed over me. If the commander in chief orders the confiscation of civilian firearms, as an order, it must be carried out in accordance with the oath of loyalty we swore.

Liar. You don't know jack shit about the military. You brief unethical enlisted taught you nothing. No soldier is bound to obey illegal orders. In fact you'd be just as guilty and guess which way shit rolls? Downhill.

Plus the military wouldn't be in the business of gun confiscation anyway. They aren't trained for it and have no legal jurisdiction and would be violating the Constitution if it was tried, and the Constitution is not easy to change. It's very difficult and designed that way for a reason.