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I am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
Well, its obvious that you dont join the military to learn.
I was in the USMC and did the same as OP did but the OP is full of shit and just doesnt get it. We need firearms to protect us from the gov. Someday soon we are going to have to take our country back. We need weapons. We are going to have a revolt. Its coming. You cant fuck over people and not expect to have a revolt and the gov knows this. Thats why, for the last 45 years, they have been making laws to deal with a revolt. Its bad enough that the gov wants our guns and now we have YOU helping them take my rights away. Listen you unbelievable moron...IF YOU DONT WANT TO OWN A FIREARM...DONT BUY ONE BUT DONT FUCKING COME AFTER MY RIGHTS GOD DAMMIT!
The constitution says that "the people" as a whole are allowed to bear arms to form "well regulated militias"
Basically, there is a collective right for civilians to form an armed force to stand by in readiness to defend the country. The second amendment is therefore fulfilled by the existence of the U.S military
No, there is no collective right. You don't understand what you're reading.
The right to bear arms is the right of INDIVIDUALS to be in the militia. It's simple, the founding fathers said it loads of times and the right and left have ignored millions of times.
Okay, No Justice Bryer quotes allowed, but please post a quote from the constitution where in spicifically says only organized Milita can have guns?
The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate and later ratified by the States, reads:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights which hangs in the National Archives had slightly different capitalization and punctuation inserted by William Lambert, the scribe who prepared it. This copy reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Notice there is nothing about only state milita's being allowd, but also indeviduals.
What? I didn't say only organized militias could have guns.
I think you need to go read what I wrote.
Did. You said there was no mention of an individual's right to have guns, and opinion that gets tossed out there by ieftists even since the news said Justice Bryer put it in his descent when the court opinion came down in favor of the 2nd and in devi duel rights to own guns. You need to go back and read what you said because you implied that only organized militaso are allowed to have guns, when nothing of the sort is in the 2nd. At best, it says milita and individuals are covered. You implied there is no individual right to own fire arms.
Can you point out to me where I said there i no mention of an individual's right to have guns?
I mean, I was talking about the right to BEAR ARMS. The right to have a gun is the right to KEEP arms. I mean, you're talking about something completely different for some unknown reason.
So, again, READ WHAT I WROTE>
Who gives a fuck about the constitution?
You do not need that shitty piece of paper to tell you that you have rights.
Who gives a fuck about the constitution?
You do not need that shitty piece of paper to tell you that you have rights.
It's not for that. It's there to remind other people that you have rights and what they are. It serves as a line in the sand to show the government what it can and cannot do. The 2nd Amendment is there to make enforcing that possible.
Who gives a fuck about the constitution?
You do not need that shitty piece of paper to tell you that you have rights.
It's not for that. It's there to remind other people that you have rights and what they are. It serves as a line in the sand to show the government what it can and cannot do. The 2nd Amendment is there to make enforcing that possible.
What is sad is this was up until the last 20 or 30 years common knowledge.
Who gives a fuck about the constitution?
You do not need that shitty piece of paper to tell you that you have rights.
It's not for that. It's there to remind other people that you have rights and what they are. It serves as a line in the sand to show the government what it can and cannot do. The 2nd Amendment is there to make enforcing that possible.
What is sad is this was up until the last 20 or 30 years common knowledge.
cant make the peoples dupes
unless ya dumb em down
At best, it says milita and individuals are covred.
Your confusion is coming from a fundamental misunderstanding of how the militia was usually defined back then.
The millitia was defined as the collective armed civil population. Frigidweirdo is right in his interpretation. Every individual has the government asserted right to become party to the millitia, or the collective armed civil population
If they did that, the prices of horses would increase......The OP is just a waste of the bandwidth all of this took, Facts are The second amendment gives the citizens of this country the right to keep, and bear arms. That right like all rights are qualified to be unrestricted AS LONG as that citizen does not INFRINGE on the rights of any other citizen of this country, AND the exercising of that right does not pose an unusual threat to other citizens of this country. The discharge of an AR 15 rifle is MUCH less dangerous than the discharge of a 300 win mag bolt action hunting rifle. or ALMOST any high powered hunting rifle. As I posted before the M16 type, Ak47 type and other sport versions of and actual military surplus semi auto versions of military style weapons are in actuallity a bad choice for mass murder. Fully automatic weapons, and other "SUPER WEAPONS" have required a special license and a more thorough background check than an application for an FBI job since the Roaring twenties decade. There are enough laws ALREADY on the books to stop almost all gun crimes if they were enforced. There is NO law that will deter a CRIMINAL, because they do not follow laws HENCE the label "CRIMINAL". There are many more people killed daily in car accidents than by guns, There is NO background check to see if a person buying a car has had a DUI Wouldn't it be nice if every one of you DUI liberals were denied ownership of a CAR because you had a DUI. If you had an AT FAULT accident you would be put on a list to only be able to own a "Smart Car" and it would be limited to ONLY a radius that was deemed as needed travel zone. Next we will limit the hours you can be traveling to "daylight hours unless needed for work. If your phone was active at the time of the accident you would ALSO be subject to a DWD fine, revocation of buying privilege, and loss of drivers license forever. Get the picture, and there is no Constitutional "right to drive".
Political correct progressives are lemmings... they are told what to think. LolThe OP is just a waste of the bandwidth all of this took, Facts are The second amendment gives the citizens of this country the right to keep, and bear arms. That right like all rights are qualified to be unrestricted AS LONG as that citizen does not INFRINGE on the rights of any other citizen of this country, AND the exercising of that right does not pose an unusual threat to other citizens of this country. The discharge of an AR 15 rifle is MUCH less dangerous than the discharge of a 300 win mag bolt action hunting rifle. or ALMOST any high powered hunting rifle. As I posted before the M16 type, Ak47 type and other sport versions of and actual military surplus semi auto versions of military style weapons are in actuallity a bad choice for mass murder. Fully automatic weapons, and other "SUPER WEAPONS" have required a special license and a more thorough background check than an application for an FBI job since the Roaring twenties decade. There are enough laws ALREADY on the books to stop almost all gun crimes if they were enforced. There is NO law that will deter a CRIMINAL, because they do not follow laws HENCE the label "CRIMINAL". There are many more people killed daily in car accidents than by guns, There is NO background check to see if a person buying a car has had a DUI Wouldn't it be nice if every one of you DUI liberals were denied ownership of a CAR because you had a DUI. If you had an AT FAULT accident you would be put on a list to only be able to own a "Smart Car" and it would be limited to ONLY a radius that was deemed as needed travel zone. Next we will limit the hours you can be traveling to "daylight hours unless needed for work. If your phone was active at the time of the accident you would ALSO be subject to a DWD fine, revocation of buying privilege, and loss of drivers license forever. Get the picture, and there is no Constitutional "right to drive".
LOLFor those of you saying how you need your guns to defend against tyranny, guess what. Your AR15 won;t do shit to stop the carpet bombing of your house, or penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank. This isn't call of duty.
For those of you saying how you need your guns to defend against tyranny, guess what. Your AR15 won;t do shit to stop the carpet bombing of your house, or penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank. This isn't call of duty.
Incorrect. It appears all you need are pressure cookers and a few household chemicals. When do you people plan on banning those?Actually you need guns to give yourself the siege mentality that so many people love. The govt is after you, always after you, so you need your guns to fight those demons in your head.
Don't come after your rights, go after the rights of gay people, women, black people, Muslims, anyone but you, right?
Possibly....or maybe we are learning more about that previously undisclosed medical condition.LOLFor those of you saying how you need your guns to defend against tyranny, guess what. Your AR15 won;t do shit to stop the carpet bombing of your house, or penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank. This isn't call of duty.
Carpet bombing of your house.
This guy is jerking us around. Better than most trolls too.
JudiciocracyI am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
If you don't want a firearms then don't own one.
Leave my Constitutional rights alone.
If you served in the military then you swore to uphold the Constitution. Go read ot before you go shooting off your mouth.
I swore to defend the constitution, but the constitution can easily be changed.
Epitaph on the Wall: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICH KID'S PLACESheep Goosestepping Behind ChickenhawksA Scrap of 18th Century Government Paper Doesn't Give You Your Gun RightsThe fact that we don't just ask whether a proposed bill is good for the country and that's all we have to decide, but first we have to ask whether it is Constitutional proves that being obstructed by a Constitution is not good for the country
Actually it is excellent proof of just the opposite. It helps stop legislation that only benefits a particular agenda rather than the Country as a whole. Don't like what the Constitution says? People can change it if enough agree. Be advised that there are many Americans sworn to defend the Constitution.
What a slave you are to whatever the Establishment tells you to believe. The Constitution was set up to promote the particular agenda of the ruling class. In a free, self-determining country, it would have been a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation.
Many doctors take the Hippocratic Oath; does that mean they believe in the Greek god of healing? Swearing to defend the Constitution is just a metaphor for defending our country. Notice that the spawn of the ruling class hardly ever have to defend our country, but the Chickenhawks are the loudest at defending their totalitarian Constitution. Nobody bullies a free man, and the Constitution is just for plutocratic bullies and their sissy buttboys.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, anything "metaphorical" about the Constitution. It was the framework around which the nation was formed and serves as the supreme law that governs the government (ie "ruling class). It is designed to make the average citizen the actual ruling class and gun rights are there to enforce and defend the Constitution (not the government) .
If you say so, faithfully repeating your Masters' fairy tales. You are a mind slave of the very ruling class that tells you that a document controlled by their own interpretations of it protects you from them.
No dumbass, it's what protects them form me right up until they try to be my master in more just their deluded dreams.
Who left the gate open and let all the communists out? I'm a Vietnam vet. I know interesting ways to deal with communists.
