A One State Solution

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You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
 
You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.

The "Palestinians" are nothing more than a proxy army for Arab states reluctant - wisely - to engage in open confrontation with Israel. Israel should annex once and for all the land acquired in the 1967 war, and be done with it. No right of return or Israeli citizenship for "Palestinians".
 
You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.





Yeah! they are only outnumbered 125,000 to one by the worlds Jews, and need to have odds of 500,000 to 1 before they would have a hope of winning any war with Israel.
What about the human rights of the Israeli's or don't they exist in your fantasy world. You sound just like the looney left that state that child rapists and mass murderes should not be locked up because it is against their human rights.
A racist naziesque slogan if ever I have heard one, but then what can you expect from a neo nazi
 
History has proven no matter what, Palestinians will be Palestinians. That is why I fear this one state solution as the only solution to end the conflict.

If this conflict continues much longer, at some point the stupid Palestinians will leave Israel no other option than an all out war with winner take all.
 
MJB12741, et al,

While in a perfect world, this would be an ideal solution, the "Single-State Solution" is extremely problematic, with no reasonable success.

History has proven no matter what, Palestinians will be Palestinians. That is why I fear this one state solution as the only solution to end the conflict.

If this conflict continues much longer, at some point the stupid Palestinians will leave Israel no other option than an all out war with winner take all.
(COMMENT-THUMBNAIL)

The problem here is that the amalgamation of the Arab-Palestinians with the Jewish Israelis (necessary for the single-state) is a case of mixing oil and water.
  • One reason why the independent Jewish State of Israel is so critical is that single-state solution places the culture back in the hands of a majority, with no way to defend itself. And history has shown that outcome does not work.
  • The second reason is that eventually the Arab-Palestinian in the single-state will overwhelm the Parliamentary process and assume control of the legislative body --- changing the fabric of domestic law in the direction that is wholly unfavorable to the minority Jewish Community.
  • The Arab-Palestinians have taught an entire generation to be suicide bombers, insurgents, kidnappers, sappers, murders and jihadist that will be freed among the targeted general population; like trying to assimilate fox in the chicken coop. This is only going to create a conditions for hostile entanglements.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
MJB12741, et al,

While in a perfect world, this would be an ideal solution, the "Single-State Solution" is extremely problematic, with no reasonable success.

History has proven no matter what, Palestinians will be Palestinians. That is why I fear this one state solution as the only solution to end the conflict.

If this conflict continues much longer, at some point the stupid Palestinians will leave Israel no other option than an all out war with winner take all.
(COMMENT-THUMBNAIL)

The problem here is that the amalgamation of the Arab-Palestinians with the Jewish Israelis (necessary for the single-state) is a case of mixing oil and water.
  • One reason why the independent Jewish State of Israel is so critical is that single-state solution places the culture back in the hands of a majority, with no way to defend itself. And history has shown that outcome does not work.
  • The second reason is that eventually the Arab-Palestinian in the single-state will overwhelm the Parliamentary process and assume control of the legislative body --- changing the fabric of domestic law in the direction that is wholly unfavorable to the minority Jewish Community.
  • The Arab-Palestinians have taught an entire generation to be suicide bombers, insurgents, kidnappers, sappers, murders and jihadist that will be freed among the targeted general population; like trying to assimilate fox in the chicken coop. This is only going to create a conditions for hostile entanglements.
Most Respectfully,
R






Which the LoN realised 100 years ago and so partitioned Palestine to accommodate both peoples. Even back then the seeds had been sown of an Islamic caliphate ran along apartheid rules. Now it would be much worse as the muslims will destroy everything that is not islam in an attempt at wiping anything not Islamic from the face of the earth. Look at the way Daesh is destroying Roman antiquities
 
A one state solution with Palestinians & Israeli's living together has already been tried & failed. A successful one state solution would require Israel finding some incentive to offer the surrounding Arab countries to grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands.
 
You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.

Hey look Dopey. Indigenous PALESTINIANS were JEWS. Not a single Muslim yet even in existence. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion of surrounding Arabs prior to Islam. Israel was never at war with them. We are talking about todays Muslim Palestinian land thieves killing Israeli's & the possible ultimate consequence.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.

Hey look Dopey. Indigenous PALESTINIANS were JEWS. Not a single Muslim yet even in existence. Nestorian Christianity was the dominant religion of surrounding Arabs prior to Islam. Israel was never at war with them. We are talking about todays Muslim Palestinian land thieves killing Israeli's & the possible ultimate consequence.

The Zionists came from Europe, how can they be indigenous? It is a contradiction in terms.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine, regardless of what religion they adopted over the centuries. Inhabitants of the Roman Empire were required to adopt Christianity when it became the state religion in about 395 AD. Non Christian places of worship were torn down shortly afterwards. Except for the brief period of Persian ISassanian) rule from 614 to 628, only Christians could live in Palestine until the Muslim conquest.

There were no Jews for the Arabs to surround in Palestine. Palestine was Christian until the Muslim conquest. Get your history straight.





The Christians came from Greece and Rome so how can they be indigenous, the muslims came from arabia so how could they be indigenous. The Jews had a proven 4,500 year inhabitation of the lands of Judea and Samaria to show they are indigenous. WHAT IS A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS IS YOUR CONSTANT SPAMMING AND TROLLING WITH UNSUBSTANTIATED LIES ABOUT THE JEWS.
Now get your fact right as the law was only Christians could live in Jerusalem, not the whole of Palestine, your very own link spells this out. Just as it spells out that Jews lived in the lands of Palestine. Some faked conversion to the RomanoGreco religion of Christianity, or should that be Roman Catholicism to keep their property in Jerusalem.
 
You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.


and those palestinians are stabbing people, running over people and firing rockets at people in Israel. Any court, Israel has a right to protect itself, its people and to respond to attacks against the nation. Israel responds by targeting hamas leaders that order the attack by knife, car and any means on all forms of media and to all ages and sex of palestinians. Hamas/palestinians have declared war on Israel.

Situation is that palestinians are not taught to accept peace with Israel no matter the offer of statehood or peace agreement. From birth they are taught to hate and seek the destruction by any means of Israel, and to die in the cause will bring rewards in heaven, and for the family on earth. They abuse the faith to carry on a war to undermine the will of Israel and the world. A thousand years from now they believe they will eventually win, does not matter how many lives it costs to get there.

Those in fatah in the WB don' speak for all the palestinians, according to hamas, and have no right to negotiate a peace with Israel. There can never be peace as long a one Israeli lives. Any negotiation is just another foot hold from which to regroup and to wage war from. Every concession shows how week Israel is and that weakness must be exploited. I was raised on such language from the palestinians. Facts have no meaning in this type of war and nothing but absolute genocide of the jews in the middle east, and eventually the christians, will be enough for them. This brain washing has been going on since the end of WWI.

A ceasefire is just a chance to catch their breath and move weapons to a more strategic position. This is not a mind set that most of the west are used to dealing with. This is not a war they know how to fight.

There is no expectation of having a dramatic turn around in this decade or perhaps even this century, but a few hundred years from now the same hate might actually see the end of Israel.

Until the people are taught what peace can be and the advantages to the future, this brainwashing will be effective. Without hamas incitement, the WB was for the most part living with Israel in peace and prospering from the association. Now attacks are coming from both directions, and more palestinans will die till they come to terms that Israel has a right to exist.
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel is the reason that Palestinians need aid.
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R
Why is it that you always bitch about Palestinian terrorism but you never say jack about Israel's terrorism?
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R

It would probably be best if the U.S. did end aid to the Palestinians. It would be replaced by either the EU and Gulf States. The aid allows the U.S. to claim to be an "honest broker" when it is not.
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no agreement as to what terrorism is. The ANC's bombings of shopping centers in Pretoria and elsewhere were considered terrorist acts by some at the time and now they are hailed as catalysts for the eventual capitulation of the Apartheid government. Defining terrorism depends on one's point of view. The Israeli bombing of apartment buildings housing women and children is considered terrorism by most of the world and the UN, to the US and Israel it's considered self-defense.
 
montelatici, et al,

For the general layman, this is true. Like our friend "montelatici" says: "There is no agreement as to what terrorism is."

DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no agreement as to what terrorism is. The ANC's bombings of shopping centers in Pretoria and elsewhere were considered terrorist acts by some at the time and now they are hailed as catalysts for the eventual capitulation of the Apartheid government. Defining terrorism depends on one's point of view. The Israeli bombing of apartment buildings housing women and children is considered terrorism by most of the world and the UN, to the US and Israel it's considered self-defense.
(COMMENT)

Now, for the rest of the story. It is a bit like Schrödinger's Cat -- defined --- but not defined, at the same time. Our friend "montelatici" peeked in the box, and he see the is cat dead --- but if you peek in the box, you may see the cat alive. It is the same way for this definition do to its political nature (a topic for a separate discussion).

There are several countries that use their own legal definition to deal with the issue. The US is one of them. But in the international environment, there are two competing definitions in limbo:

Arab-League Definition of "Terrorism." --- THE ARAB CONVENTION FOR THE SUPPRESSION OF TERRORISM
2. Terrorism

Any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources.

3. Terrorist offence

Any offence or attempted offence committed in furtherance of a terrorist objective in any of the Contracting States, or against their nationals, property or interests, that is punishable by their domestic law. The offences stipulated in the following conventions, except where conventions have not been ratified by Contracting States or where offences have been excluded by their legislation, shall also be regarded as terrorist offences:

(a) The Tokyo Convention on offences and Certain Other Acts Committed on Board Aircraft, of 14 September 1963;

(b) The Hague Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, of 16 December 1970;

(c) The Montreal Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation, of 23 September 1971, and the Protocol thereto of 10 May 1984;

(d) The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons, including Diplomatic Agents, of 14 December 1973;

(e) The International Convention against the Taking of Hostages, of 17 December 1979;

(f) The provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, of 1982, relating to piracy on the high seas.

BUT, in the Preamble of the League Convention, adopted by the Council of Arab Ministers of the Interior and the Council of Arab Ministers of Justice. Cairo, April 1998, is this clause:

Affirming the right of peoples to combat foreign occupation and aggression by whatever means, including armed struggle, in order to liberate their territories and secure their right to self-determination, and independence and to do so in such a manner as to preserve the territorial integrity of each Arab country, of the foregoing being in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and with the Organization's resolutions.

The UN International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism --- A/RES/54/109 25 February 2000

Article 2 - ANNEX
1. Any person commits an offence within the meaning of this Convention if that person by any means, directly or indirectly, unlawfully and wilfully, provides or collects funds with the intention that they should be used or in the knowledge that they are to be used, in full or in part, in order to carry out:

(a) An act which constitutes an offence within the scope of and as defined in one of the treaties listed in the annex; or

(b) Any other act intended to cause death or serious bodily injury to a civilian, or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities in a situation of armed conflict, when the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a Government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act.
Most Respectfully,
R
 
DGS49, et al,

Like the Secretary-General says, "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." Not even this disparity in equipment and technological superior arms. THAT IS AN INVALID EXCUSE. But it is one that the Hostile Arab-Palestinian uses quite frequently.

You silly goose, there is no way the indigenous Arabs could win an "all out war" because of the gross disparity in equipment and men-at-arms. This is why they resort to isolated "terror" attacks.

I don't know what the "solution" is in Palestine, but I do know that until the U.S. gets serious about protecting the human rights of the indigenous Arabs the situation can never get any better.

American Jewry is one of several constituencies that our politicians are simply unwilling to confront rationally. Much the pity.
(COMMENT)

You act as if the US has some duty to defend the aggressor. Where did the US acquire that responsibility. The US does have a mutual defense arrangement with the Gulf Oil States; it a constantly evolving agreement. And we do give the Palestinians funding every year. "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed approximately $5 billion in bilateral assistance to the Palestinians, who are among the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid." (Source: U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians Jim Zanotti Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs )

But we need to terminate those aid programs altogether to open-up opportunities for the Arab League to contribute.

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel is the reason that Palestinians need aid.

Just imagine what aid the Palestinians would need if not for Israel to suck off to provide for them. Oh Lord, please grant the Palestinians their own Palestinian State with self determination far away from any influence or control by Israel.
 
Israel pays nothing to support the Palestinians, the EU, the UN and the US do. In fact, it often keeps the taxes Palestinians pay for themselves.

The Israelis make millions on the backs of the Palestinians.

The E.U. however, is threatening to make Israel pay for the occupation as occupiers have always done in the past.

"EU official threatens funding to PA, saying Israel should pay for its occupation -

“the EU cannot fund the Israeli occupation anymore. Israel needs to be responsible for its occupation. This means no more EU money to the PA.”



- See more at: EU official threatens funding to PA, saying Israel should pay for its occupation




See more at: EU official threatens funding to PA, saying Israel should pay for its occupation
 
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