A question for liberals: Washington State MW=$11 an hour, Texas MW=$7.25 an hour ..

All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton


Stop the bullshit Franco Hillary does it all to herself.

All the shenanigans over the years by her .....yet you and your fringe left wants to make her the victim....


Obama, Michelle , Nancy, Harry ,Bush Jr Bush sr, Newt Gingrich combined don't have as many scandals as Hillary.


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All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton
It is difficult to tally how many conversations I have had with someone making extreme, paranoid and hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton. Often the accuser’s eyes open wide, spittle begins to form at the corner of his lips, and he declares that the world’s greatest monster is the former senator and secretary of state.


Everything Hillary has ever done and all the fake scandals have been investigated and NOTHING, superdupe. From link:

Once in a bar, two acquaintances rambled at torturous length about the email “scandal.” They had no clue what the then-presidential candidate had plotted with her private server, but they knew it was diabolical. No evidence is necessary if the suspect is Hillary Clinton — a villain who rivals Professor Moriarty and Saddam Hussein.

My simple questions regarding Clinton’s exoneration by the Justice Department, internal State Department review and FBI report made it painfully clear that if these two men were not obsessed with a minor email storage procedure, they would find another reason to cast Clinton into the fires of hell. First on the fringes of the right wing and eventually the general population, Americans since the early 1990s have condemned the woman for unprovable offense upon unverifiable innuendo. It is likely that no modern public figure has faced greater hostility, slander and scrutiny.
 
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So why the fuck does both places pay warehouse workers $12 bucks an hour?


I thought it was supposed to be more in a pro union state high minimum wage state?

It appears that a Right to work state low minimum wage state like Texas employers are less greedy by paying $4.75 more then minimum wage, while in Washington State they only pay $1 dollar more then minimum wage...


I thought according to liberals a rising tide rises all boats?


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Quality of life. Washington State has a Space Needle, Texas doesn't.

No, Texas just has NASA.
 
All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton


Stop the bullshit Franco Hillary does it to herself.

All the shenanigans over the years by her .....yet you and your fringe left wants to make her the victim....


Obama, Michelle Nancy, Harry Bush Jr Bush sr, Newt Gingrich combined don't have as many scandals as Hillary.


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All pathetic GOP bs, stupid. Except the GOP ones. Reported and forgotten as we have no propaganda repeating BS endlessly as fact. From link:
It is difficult to tally how many conversations I have had with someone making extreme, paranoid and hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton. Often the accuser’s eyes open wide, spittle begins to form at the corner of his lips, and he declares that the world’s greatest monster is the former senator and secretary of state.




Once in a bar, two acquaintances rambled at torturous length about the email “scandal.” They had no clue what the then-presidential candidate had plotted with her private server, but they knew it was diabolical. No evidence is necessary if the suspect is Hillary Clinton — a villain who rivals Professor Moriarty and Saddam Hussein.

My simple questions regarding Clinton’s exoneration by the Justice Department, internal State Department review and FBI report made it painfully clear that if these two men were not obsessed with a minor email storage procedure, they would find another reason to cast Clinton into the fires of hell. First on the fringes of the right wing and eventually the general population, Americans since the early 1990s have condemned the woman for unprovable offense upon unverifiable innuendo. It is likely that no modern public figure has faced greater hostility, slander and scrutiny.
 
When you consider the cost of living those Seattle warehouse workers are getting screwed.


But but liberals will say the quality of life is better...


What warehouse worker in their right mind living in Texas making $12 bucks an hour and living in a $500 dollar a month apartment would move to Seattle to make $12 bucks an hour and live in $1,500 dollar a month apartment?



Oh so he could have a better quality of life..



LMFAO...




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There is a better selection of seafood in Seattle..for one, and secondly, there would be no Texicans in Seattle, and that makes it worthwhile..

Better selection of seafood?
The Gulf Coast has a shitload of seafood.
Not cold water varieties..

Seattle doesnt have the warm water varieties.

Right, the waters on the Gulf Coast of Texas are warmed by the chemical plants that spew 24/7. It's not called the Carcinogenic Coast for nothing.
 
But but liberals will say the quality of life is better...


What warehouse worker in their right mind living in Texas making $12 bucks an hour and living in a $500 dollar a month apartment would move to Seattle to make $12 bucks an hour and live in $1,500 dollar a month apartment?



Oh so he could have a better quality of life..



LMFAO...




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There is a better selection of seafood in Seattle..for one, and secondly, there would be no Texicans in Seattle, and that makes it worthwhile..

Better selection of seafood?
The Gulf Coast has a shitload of seafood.
Not cold water varieties..

Seattle doesnt have the warm water varieties.

Right, the waters on the Gulf Coast of Texas are warmed by the chemical plants that spew 24/7. It's not called the Carcinogenic Coast for nothing.

You're a Fuken idiot.
 
All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton
It is difficult to tally how many conversations I have had with someone making extreme, paranoid and hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton. Often the accuser’s eyes open wide, spittle begins to form at the corner of his lips, and he declares that the world’s greatest monster is the former senator and secretary of state.




Once in a bar, two acquaintances rambled at torturous length about the email “scandal.” They had no clue what the then-presidential candidate had plotted with her private server, but they knew it was diabolical. No evidence is necessary if the suspect is Hillary Clinton — a villain who rivals Professor Moriarty and Saddam Hussein.

My simple questions regarding Clinton’s exoneration by the Justice Department, internal State Department review and FBI report made it painfully clear that if these two men were not obsessed with a minor email storage procedure, they would find another reason to cast Clinton into the fires of hell. First on the fringes of the right wing and eventually the general population, Americans since the early 1990s have condemned the woman for unprovable offense upon unverifiable innuendo. It is likely that no modern public figure has faced greater hostility, slander and scrutiny.

Well, there certainly are plenty of reasons, sometimes it gets difficult trying to figure out the worst one.
 
How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?
dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.
 
Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?
dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.
dears, time=money. some people have time commitments.

Time working equals more money.
Why do liberals always want something for nothing?
Still not paying attention to the argument? Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour by comparison.
 
Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?
dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.
 
All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton
It is difficult to tally how many conversations I have had with someone making extreme, paranoid and hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton. Often the accuser’s eyes open wide, spittle begins to form at the corner of his lips, and he declares that the world’s greatest monster is the former senator and secretary of state.




Once in a bar, two acquaintances rambled at torturous length about the email “scandal.” They had no clue what the then-presidential candidate had plotted with her private server, but they knew it was diabolical. No evidence is necessary if the suspect is Hillary Clinton — a villain who rivals Professor Moriarty and Saddam Hussein.

My simple questions regarding Clinton’s exoneration by the Justice Department, internal State Department review and FBI report made it painfully clear that if these two men were not obsessed with a minor email storage procedure, they would find another reason to cast Clinton into the fires of hell. First on the fringes of the right wing and eventually the general population, Americans since the early 1990s have condemned the woman for unprovable offense upon unverifiable innuendo. It is likely that no modern public figure has faced greater hostility, slander and scrutiny.

Well, there certainly are plenty of reasons, sometimes it gets difficult trying to figure out the worst one.
The Clintons LOST 70k on the deal and were found not indictable as always. because they had no role. ALL HER SCANDALS ARE BS. Nobody in Whitewater made money and none would have been found guilty of anything without a five year GOP witch hunt. Those felonies are legal gobbledygook for stopping the witch hunt. Corporate GOP lawyers are a POS.
 
dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.

Be careful with this guy. He flip flops more on his own statements, than anything else. Forget about proving a fact to him... you can't even pin him down on what he himself said.
 
Yes and the 15 an hour is now in effect for the Seattle area since the beginning of this year. And the unemployment rate is well below four percent. No smoke, no mirrors.

Pretty sure that was debunked a few pages back.

You wish.



Seattle Minimum Wage — Working Washington
Working Washington › seattle-minimum...
ALERT: On January 1, 2017, the first group of Seattleworkers reaches $15/hour! And across the state, the minimum wage rises to $11/hour.

I already answered this. Are you just ignoring the facts? Seriously you are just going to post "working Washington" which is a political lobbying group, as if that is a trust worthy source of information? That's like smoking doesn't cause cancer, the Tabasco company said so.

The number of restaurants being affected by this law, is extremely small.

I punched up Seattle Craigslist jobs.
seattle jobs - craigslist

In under 1 minute, I had run through a dozen plus jobs that all paid less than $15.

Kirkland Kidd Valley now hiring all positions! Start at $12 per hour
SUMMER JOB- Artistic& Crafty Needed in WEDDING INDUSTRY- $11-$13/hour
Silver City Restaurant - Experienced Line Cook - $14.00 per hour
Dairy Queen is hiring 11-16 an hour
Red Robin - Line Cook / Kitchen Prep @ $13+ per hour!

That's a just a few I found. There are DOZENS on there paying less.

Which of course begs the question how they can pay less than the $15 minimum wage. The answer is on your own link.

$15 an hour if you work at McDonald's, Target or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and you do not receive healthcare benefits from your employer.

As long as they are offered health insurance, then they do not have to pay $15 an hour.

Now it's true that the minimum wage has gone up, and the facts are in... they are cutting working hours, and increasing prices to consumers.

Fast food prices on the rise in Seattle area

Customers are quickly finding out they can drive two blocks to get outside the city limit, and save $2 on their meal. Prices are going up quickly across the city.

And let me ask you.... assuming you are not that dumb.... what happens when you increase the price on any good or service? Consumption goes down. Right? Is that not obvious? If the price of a whooper doubles to $10... it's a safe bet that they are going to sell fewer whoopers.... can we agree on that?

Well when the price of a drink at a McDonalds inside the minimum wage zone is $1.59, and the exact same drink is only $1 across the street.... What do you think is going to happen? People are going to stop buying from those places.

Huh..... what do you think happens when customers stop buying from those places?..... Fewer customers means fewer workers needed doesn't it? How much are those workers going to make with that higher minimum wage, after they are unemployed?

Ludicrous.
Let me give a little bit of history between me and Bear about this particular subject (MW in Seattle) since I've joined this board. Two of my relatives own 2 seafood restaurants in Seattle, most of them work for the (34) city and Boeing. I can find out how many permits issued, building in process or closed. That said.
Your link are all anti-MW that pick and choose for your convenience. They can print or publish just about anything. You make it sound that Seattle is collapsing bc of MW hike.
Your McDonald's example of $1.59 drink is purely bogus. Most or all customers go to McDonald's for cheap meal. The only way it's cheaper across the street are those little hamburger stand because they have lower over head like 3 or 4 employees & no drive thru ------------ It's NOT because of MW hike. And no matter where you go in America that is always 100% the case------ It's NOT because of MW hike. Most of these hamburger stand do not survive if they are near McDonald's or other large franchises.
BOTTOM LINE-------- Are Seattle businesses suffering because of this MW increased? NO.
Is the economy in Seattle is booming? YES. Unemployment? I will leave that to you.
How many businesses that went bankrupt bc of MW increased?

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

Yes I checked out your links (all links posted here in USMB) but ------------ Did you really understand what they are trying to imply? I'm very sure you don't.
Since when that kind increase will have a big impact to an employee? Of course it's minimal. Do you expect them to start buying a new car? If an employee making $10/hour -------- increase to $11 working 5 hours----- reality, logically and technically he/she only made extra $5. Since when adding $5 to an income is a bad thing? Duh----------- OPINION from W. post as anti MW is just a crap.
Employers or any kind of businesses ------------ ANY kind of businesses --------- increases or decreases working hours because of DEMANDS ------------ that has NOTHING to do with a modicum lousy peanut MW increase. Nothing.
Prices of any kinds of enterprises increased their prices almost every year-------- Like restaurants ------- Are the menu prices the same as last year or 2 years ago?
Oh! McDonald's hamburger cost $0.25 more here so I will drive 2 or more miles away because it's cheaper. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?
Try again.
 
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dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.
The distinction between full time and part time, is by social fiat via the law. It is not capitalism.
 
Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.

Be careful with this guy. He flip flops more on his own statements, than anything else. Forget about proving a fact to him... you can't even pin him down on what he himself said.
Y'all have nothing but fallacy; projection, fantasy, and repeal, is all the right wing has.
 
Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.
The distinction between full time and part time, is by social fiat via the law. It is not capitalism.

And there's a reason for it.
 
Pretty sure that was debunked a few pages back.

You wish.



Seattle Minimum Wage — Working Washington
Working Washington › seattle-minimum...
ALERT: On January 1, 2017, the first group of Seattleworkers reaches $15/hour! And across the state, the minimum wage rises to $11/hour.

I already answered this. Are you just ignoring the facts? Seriously you are just going to post "working Washington" which is a political lobbying group, as if that is a trust worthy source of information? That's like smoking doesn't cause cancer, the Tabasco company said so.

The number of restaurants being affected by this law, is extremely small.

I punched up Seattle Craigslist jobs.
seattle jobs - craigslist

In under 1 minute, I had run through a dozen plus jobs that all paid less than $15.

Kirkland Kidd Valley now hiring all positions! Start at $12 per hour
SUMMER JOB- Artistic& Crafty Needed in WEDDING INDUSTRY- $11-$13/hour
Silver City Restaurant - Experienced Line Cook - $14.00 per hour
Dairy Queen is hiring 11-16 an hour
Red Robin - Line Cook / Kitchen Prep @ $13+ per hour!

That's a just a few I found. There are DOZENS on there paying less.

Which of course begs the question how they can pay less than the $15 minimum wage. The answer is on your own link.

$15 an hour if you work at McDonald's, Target or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and you do not receive healthcare benefits from your employer.

As long as they are offered health insurance, then they do not have to pay $15 an hour.

Now it's true that the minimum wage has gone up, and the facts are in... they are cutting working hours, and increasing prices to consumers.

Fast food prices on the rise in Seattle area

Customers are quickly finding out they can drive two blocks to get outside the city limit, and save $2 on their meal. Prices are going up quickly across the city.

And let me ask you.... assuming you are not that dumb.... what happens when you increase the price on any good or service? Consumption goes down. Right? Is that not obvious? If the price of a whooper doubles to $10... it's a safe bet that they are going to sell fewer whoopers.... can we agree on that?

Well when the price of a drink at a McDonalds inside the minimum wage zone is $1.59, and the exact same drink is only $1 across the street.... What do you think is going to happen? People are going to stop buying from those places.

Huh..... what do you think happens when customers stop buying from those places?..... Fewer customers means fewer workers needed doesn't it? How much are those workers going to make with that higher minimum wage, after they are unemployed?

Ludicrous.
Let me give a little bit of history between me and Bear about this particular subject (MW in Seattle) since I've joined this board. Two of my relatives own 2 seafood restaurants in Seattle, most of them work for the (34) city and Boeing. I can find out how many permits issued, building in process or closed. That said.
Your link are all anti-MW that pick and choose for your convenience. They can print or publish just about anything. You make it sound that Seattle is collapsing bc of MW hike.
Your McDonald's example of $1.59 drink is purely bogus. Most or all customers go to McDonald's for cheap meal. The only way it's cheaper across the street are those little hamburger stand because they have lower over head like 3 or 4 employees & no drive thru ------------ It's NOT because of MW hike. And no matter where you go in America that is always 100% the case------ It's NOT because of MW hike. Most of these hamburger stand do not survive if they are near McDonald's or other large franchises.
BOTTOM LINE-------- Are Seattle businesses suffering because of this MW increased? NO.
Is the economy in Seattle is booming? YES. Unemployment? I will leave that to you.
How many businesses that went bankrupt bc of MW increased?

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

Yes I checked out your links (all links posted here in USMB) but ------------ Did you really understand what they are trying to imply? I'm very sure you don't.
Since when that kind increase will have a big impact to an employee? Of course it's minimal. Do you expect them to start buying a new car? If an employee making $10/hour -------- increase to $11 working 5 hours----- reality, logically and technically he/she only made extra $5. Duh----------- OPINION from W. post as anti MW is just a crap.
Employers or any kind of businesses ------------ ANY kind of businesses --------- increases or decreases working hours because of DEMANDS ------------ that has NOTHING to do with a modicum lousy peanut MW increase. Nothing.
Prices of any kinds of enterprises increased their prices almost every year-------- Like restaurants ------- Are the menu prices the same as last year or 2 years ago?
Oh! McDonald's hamburger cost $0.25 more here so I will drive 2 or more miles away because it's cheaper. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?
Try again.

No, you missed my point. I'll explain it again....

I did not say they were working 5 hours. Read what I say....

The economists that the city hired, determined that most employees at the minimum wage level, only saw a difference of $5. That's it. Some earned $5 LESS. Some earned $5 MORE. But the difference was about.... $5.

So the question that *I* posted was, how are they only seeing a $5 difference? I *ASKED* how do you account for that? Do you think they are only working 5 hours a week?

Obviously..... that is not the answer. The way that they only see a $5 dollar difference in their check, when they are earning a dollar more per hour...... according to the economists the City hired to research the effects of the Minimum wage..... they determined that businesses were CUTTING BACK ON HOURS, to offset the higher minimum wage.

That is what the economists the City of Seattle hired to research this topic, determined.

Companies were cutting back the number of hours that people were working.
$11 per hour X 40 hours = $440 weekly wage.
$12 per hour X 36 hours = $432 weekly wage. Employees worse off.

Do you understand now? The mount of money available for wages is 'finite'. It's not unlimited.
So when you arbitrarily increase the cost of labor, they cut the number of hours, to offset that cost.

This is the reality. This is exactly what we've been saying. Everything the economists found from researching the Seattle minimum wage, is happening exactly as we said it would.

Prices go up. Employment goes down. (reduced hours *IS* reduced employment).
 
All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.
Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton


Stop the bullshit Franco Hillary does it all to herself.

All the shenanigans over the years by her .....yet you and your fringe left wants to make her the victim....


Obama, Michelle , Nancy, Harry ,Bush Jr Bush sr, Newt Gingrich combined don't have as many scandals as Hillary.


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ALL Hillary scandals are total bs DUHHHHH. ALL investigated, NADA.
 
um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.
The distinction between full time and part time, is by social fiat via the law. It is not capitalism.

And there's a reason for it.
The bottom line is the only reason for that socialism; it is not capitalism.
 
So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.
They do that anyway; i believe labor should be prorated, not distinguished between full time and part time; that is a simple, socialist regulation.

Explain,because that makes no sense.
The distinction between full time and part time, is by social fiat via the law. It is not capitalism.

And there's a reason for it.
The bottom line is the only reason for that socialism; it is not capitalism.

Of course it isnt.
When politicians try to dictate rather than letting the market dictate it is no longer capitalism.
 

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