A question for liberals: Washington State MW=$11 an hour, Texas MW=$7.25 an hour ..

[Andylusion]

Ludicrous.
Let me give a little bit of history between me and Bear about this particular subject (MW in Seattle) since I've joined this board. Two of my relatives own 2 seafood restaurants in Seattle, most of them work for the (34) city and Boeing. I can find out how many permits issued, building in process or closed. That said.
Your link are all anti-MW that pick and choose for your convenience. They can print or publish just about anything. You make it sound that Seattle is collapsing bc of MW hike.
Your McDonald's example of $1.59 drink is purely bogus. Most or all customers go to McDonald's for cheap meal. The only way it's cheaper across the street are those little hamburger stand because they have lower over head like 3 or 4 employees & no drive thru ------------ It's NOT because of MW hike. And no matter where you go in America that is always 100% the case------ It's NOT because of MW hike. Most of these hamburger stand do not survive if they are near McDonald's or other large franchises.
BOTTOM LINE-------- Are Seattle businesses suffering because of this MW increased? NO.
Is the economy in Seattle is booming? YES. Unemployment? I will leave that to you.
How many businesses that went bankrupt bc of MW increased?

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.

 

[pwjohn]

Fox News said Seattle would be a smoking hole in the ground by now. Apparently they got it wrong. As usual

 

[danielpalos]

Ludicrous.
Let me give a little bit of history between me and Bear about this particular subject (MW in Seattle) since I've joined this board. Two of my relatives own 2 seafood restaurants in Seattle, most of them work for the (34) city and Boeing. I can find out how many permits issued, building in process or closed. That said.
Your link are all anti-MW that pick and choose for your convenience. They can print or publish just about anything. You make it sound that Seattle is collapsing bc of MW hike.
Your McDonald's example of $1.59 drink is purely bogus. Most or all customers go to McDonald's for cheap meal. The only way it's cheaper across the street are those little hamburger stand because they have lower over head like 3 or 4 employees & no drive thru ------------ It's NOT because of MW hike. And no matter where you go in America that is always 100% the case------ It's NOT because of MW hike. Most of these hamburger stand do not survive if they are near McDonald's or other large franchises.
BOTTOM LINE-------- Are Seattle businesses suffering because of this MW increased? NO.
Is the economy in Seattle is booming? YES. Unemployment? I will leave that to you.
How many businesses that went bankrupt bc of MW increased?

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.

dears, time=money. some people have time commitments.

 

[pwjohn]

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.

Your desperation is hanging out! Just saying

 

[pwjohn]

Here it is in black and white. And it doesn't look very complicated to me.

Seattle Minimum Wage


Effective January 1, 2017, Seattle's minimum wage rises to $15, $13.50, $13, and/or $11 an hour, depending:

• $15 an hour if you work at McDonald's, Target or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and you do not receive healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $13.50 an hour if you work at Starbucks, Tom Douglas Restaurants or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and do receive healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $13.00 an hour if you work at a smaller company or chain with less than 500 employees nationally and do not receive tips or healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $11.00 an hour in wages and at least $13.00 an hour in minimum compensation if you work at a smaller company or chain with less than 500 employees nationally. Your minimum compensation is the sum of your wage, your tips, and the cost to your employer of providing healthcare benefits. You can't be paid less than $11.00 in wages, regardless of the amount of your tips or benefits.

 

[Markle]

All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.

 

[pwjohn]

Min wage in Seattle pays 15 an hour

Not yet.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt my friend.



Here it is in black and white. And it doesn't look very complicated to me.

Seattle Minimum Wage


Effective January 1, 2017, Seattle's minimum wage rises to $15, $13.50, $13, and/or $11 an hour, depending:

• $15 an hour if you work at McDonald's, Target or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and you do not receive healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $13.50 an hour if you work at Starbucks, Tom Douglas Restaurants or another large company or chain with more than 500 employees nationally, and do receive healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $13.00 an hour if you work at a smaller company or chain with less than 500 employees nationally and do not receive tips or healthcare benefits from your employer.
• $11.00 an hour in wages and at least $13.00 an hour in minimum compensation if you work at a smaller company or chain with less than 500 employees nationally. Your minimum compensation is the sum of your wage, your tips, and the cost to your employer of providing healthcare benefits. You can't be paid less than $11.00 in wages, regardless of the amount of your tips or benefits.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

We already said that. You keep making claims that are not in dispute.

We already said that the economy of Seattle was growing BEFORE the minimum wage hike.
We already said that wages were going up in Seattle BEFORE the minimum wage hike.

If the natural economy is driving up wages above the minimum wage... then we wouldn't expect the minimum wage to have any effect at all.

A clear example, is working at the Wendy's store, in down town Columbus ohio. The STARTING wage at the down town store, is $12.00

The minimum wage is $9. If the city of Columbus raised the minimum wage to $11.00 an hour..... what effect would that have on the employees and employer at the Wendy's down town? None. ZERO. You didn't help anyone, you didn't hurt anyone.

The economy is already pushing wages above the minimum wage, so it has no major effect.

Only the stores that have lower wages would be affected. Because those are a minority... which I already said very few people are affected by this minimum wage.... then they won't have a noticeable impact on the general statistical numbers. Again, everything you are saying, we already said.

The part you disagree with, is that the few people that are affected by the minimum wage, the effects are negative.

They increase prices on consumers, and reduce working hours.

You claim that I'm citing sources that cheery pick data to paint it in the worst light.

Do you even know who the source of that information is?
Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers, according to a new study

Yet the actual benefits to workers might have been minimal, according to a group of economists whom the city commissioned to study the minimum wage and who presented their initial findings last week.

Accounting for these factors, the average increase in total earnings due to the minimum wage was small, the researchers concluded. Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers' earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop -- by as much as $5.22 a week.​

So let me help you out there...

The information I've been posting, is from the very city government of Seattle, which paid economists to research the effects of the minimum wage.

So you are telling me, that the politicians of the city, are cherry picking data, to make themselves look bad?

Are are you just wrong, and full of crap?

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

um, dear, yes you do when compared to a lower minimum wage.

So you want to jack up min wage so they can work fewer hours?
The obvious result would be laying off workers.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

How is having to work fewer hours, a bad thing?

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.

dears, time=money. some people have time commitments.

Time working equals more money.
Why do liberals always want something for nothing?

 

[Markle]

When you consider the cost of living those Seattle warehouse workers are getting screwed.

Min wage in Seattle pays 15 an hour

I thought that was supposed to be phased in incrementally?

They're punishing the largest companies first.

 

[pwjohn]

When you consider the cost of living those Seattle warehouse workers are getting screwed.

Min wage in Seattle pays 15 an hour

I thought that was supposed to be phased in incrementally?

They're punishing the largest companies first.

So you deleted your post & changed your story.

 

[Markle]

Alaska does know how to fairly pay people....something the 7.25 states haven't figured out. it's a great sign when companies aren't filling openings because that means those jobs aren't worth applying for.

What is the cost of living in Alaska and do you want to live in Alaska?

 

[Markle]

Fox News said Seattle would be a smoking hole in the ground by now. Apparently they got it wrong. As usual

Please show us that link.

As you know too, the relevant effects are long term.

 

[Markle]

So you deleted your post & changed your story.

I did what Progressives cannot. Keep that in mind!

 

[pwjohn]

So you deleted your post & changed your story.

I did what Progressives cannot. Keep that in mind!

So besides deleting your post & changing your story, there's something else.

 

[Andylusion]

Fox News said Seattle would be a smoking hole in the ground by now. Apparently they got it wrong. As usual

Huh? "Fox News" said? By that logic, the New York times said that a housing bubble was a great idea in 2002.

I don't really care what some commentator says. I don't live my life based on what commentators tell me. Do you?

 

[Andylusion]

Uuuuuuhhhhh.....money?

dear; a fifteen dollar an hour wage means fewer hours for the same amount.

Uh.....dear,you dont make more money when you work fewer hours.

He's trying to say, that now they can work 36 hours, and make the same amount of money as they did working 40 hours, at the lower wage.

Which... is partially true... If they cut back the number of hours you work, to exactly the same amount of money you were earning before.

The problem with his statement is this..... the whole point of raising the minimum wage, wasn't to save 3 hours a week. The whole point was supposed to be, so that people could earn more money.

If they are cutting back your hours, you are not earning more money. The problem then is, even if you are earning the exact same amount of money, you are actually still falling behind, because as we have already posted numerous examples proving.... the minimum wage jacks up the cost of living. Prices go up.

So you are earning the same amount, but the prices of everything you buy, goes up. You are worse off, than before the minimum wage went up.

Of course, that all assumes that you work exactly how many hours you need, to make the same amount of money. In reality, you have little control over that. They could cut your hours to 35 a week, and then you are earning far less than you were before the minimum wage went up.

dears, time=money. some people have time commitments.

Time working equals more money.
Why do liberals always want something for nothing?

It goes to left-wing ideology.

The left-wing has the mentality of a child. What does a child understand? Does the child understand that it requires hours on hours of work to provide them all those toys and food they want? No.

All a child understands is "I want it. You can provide it. Give me what I want."

And when a child never grows up into an adult, you end up with a left-wing democrat.

I have read posts on here that literally say "They can afford to pay more, so they should!".. which is the adult version of "I want it. You have it. Give it to me".

All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten Quotes by Robert Fulghum

There's this book "all I really need to know I learned in kindergarten". Of course it's meant to be a serious book. In reality, it should be the motto of the entire left-wing. That's basically what we have, is an entire sub-culture of adult-kindergartners.

 

[francoHFW]

All that corrupt Clinton bs has been investigated and NOTHING.

Thank you again for being so eager to display your ignorance. You don't really care about these issues, you just enjoy stirring the pot to take up your day.


In addition to the Impeachment of President Clinton for felony perjury.

These are the results and convictions of the various investigations into President Clinton.

Whitewater

Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker - fraud felony convictions - 3 counts (Tucker resigned facing impeachment)

Jim McDougal - fraud and conspiracy felony convictions - 18 counts

Susan McDougal - felony - 4 counts (pardoned during Clinton's last minute pardongate payoffs)

William J. Marks Sr - conspiracy Stephen Smith - conspiracy

Larry Kuca - Fraud Neal Ainley - 2 misdemeanors for embezzlement

David Hale - guilty plea - conspiracy

Chris Wade - felony - Whitewater real-estate investor

John Haley - felony 1998 on fraud

Robert Palmer - felony for conspiracy

Charles Matthews - guilty plea for bribery

Eugene Fitzhugh - Whitewater - bribery

Webster Hubbell - #2 ranking Justice Dept. Official - felony for embezzlement and fraud

John Latham - CEO of Madison Bank - bank fraud Campaign Finance:

Johnny Chung - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Gene Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Nora Lum - convicted - felony for money laundering for the DNC

Howard Glicken - guilty plea - 2 midemeanors - funneling foreign donations

Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie - guilty plea - illegal Clinton campaign donations

John Huang - Clinton cronie - felony guilty plea - funneling money from China

Paula Jonesgate:


William Jefferson Clinton - found guilty - civil contempt of court - lying under oath about material facts. The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception

Post Administration
Sandy Bergergate

Sandy Berger – Clinton National Security Adviser -- found guilty of stealing highly class documents from the National Archive and destroying them.

Nothing on the Clintons but lying bout a BJ- took 5 years and 92 million dollars- I was taught that was the gentlemanly thing to do, hater dupe. Thanks for the spam, dupe. NOTHING on Hillary. All investigated.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton

 

[francoHFW]

Fox News said Seattle would be a smoking hole in the ground by now. Apparently they got it wrong. As usual

Huh? "Fox News" said? By that logic, the New York times said that a housing bubble was a great idea in 2002.

I don't really care what some commentator says. I don't live my life based on what commentators tell me. Do you?

Fox Rush etc etc is always FOS, dupe. The NYT wasn't talking about a giant corrupt typical GOP crony bubble, dopey dupe.
Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton