A socialist hell on earth

[NYcarbineer]

We're moving towards European socialism. Venezuela is not in Europe.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So Bernie Sanders is a Jewish, pacifist Nazi.

lol, good one, Dulldo.

 

[saveliberty]

This is as ignorant as it is ridiculous and wrong – it fails as a false comparison fallacy.

What might manifest in Venezuela has nothing whatsoever to do with Sanders' policies.

This is yet another example of inane rightwing demagoguery and stupidity.

Greece perhaps? Sweden? There are many other examples of failed socialism. All of them started with a Bernie.

 

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[Rustic]

So Bernie Sanders is a Jewish, pacifist Nazi.

lol, good one, Dulldo.

Hitler a true blue socialist... Lol

 

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[Edgetho]

We're turning into Cuba because Sanders wants free tuition for some college students?

lol, talk about hysteria.

You have a paper asshole.

Nobody is arguing that as the sole reason for opposing Bernie.

Besides that, tell me this, paperboy -- Who gets to go to Michigan (one of the finest schools on the Planet -- Period) and who gets to go to Kalamazoo Community College?

And Louisiana already has free tuition. Tennessee has free tuition for Community College. So does Oregon and so does Minnestoa.

California used to, IIRC. And nine other States have legislation pending.

Nazi.

How about letting the States -- Who FUCKING RUN THESE COLLEGES -- Make the decision instead of your Nazi fav-o-flav of the day?

Besides, the last I heard, there were a LOT more College Graduates than there were jobs for those College Graduates.

Paper Asshole.

 

[BluesLegend]

Yep and Capitalism = Slavery to money.

No more than breathing is "slavery" to oxygen. Capitalism is economic freedom. Money is just the denomination you work in. Customers, businesses, employers, employees, all make their own best decision. As shitty a decision people often make for themselves, empowering people to make decisions for others is inevitably worse

Hey, don't let these people redefine SOCIALISM to make it more palatable by putting DEMOCRATIC in front of it.

If they want to define a country as DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, then,

1. Show us where the government says that is what they are.

2. After they prove that they are, then lets start comparing what they live in, what they drive, and the price of their goods with the United States.

3. Then lets see what their tax rates are.

These people insisting it is peaches and cream are either naive, or know better and are trying to deceive. Who wants their family living in 800sq feet? Anyone?

That's fine, but here's what actually happening: While conservatives are screaming "SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! AAAAUUGGHHH!", liberals are making the case for it. And where are we now?

We've now reached a point where people are looking at government programs many conservatives would call "socialism" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and many others - and saying "oh, well, if that's socialism, then I must be for socialism". In other words, the Right has made it easier for the Left to make its case.

If the Right wants to win this argument, it should stop just screaming "SOCIALISM!" -- which is clearly no longer scaring people as it used to -- and make its case for an alternative, for a change. It may be too late for that, anyway.
.

Sorry Mac, gotta disagree with you on this one. The SOCIALIST model, DEMOCRATIC in front of it or not, will be put on trial to the American public if the nominee is Bernie. The Socialists on here can play patty-cake all they want now, but as soon as the commercials come out if Bernie is the victor on the Democratic side about what things cost over there, how much of their money they are left with after they are taxed to pay for the "free" stuff will bury him.

At this moment, nobody on the GOP side is attacking Sanders to much, because they like the idea he is making life miserable for Hillary. It is akin to the left talking nicely about Rubio and Kasich, as they claim they want Trump, but actually want him to go away because he has the "enthusiasm" thing going for him.

Let me put it this way--------------> I don't think Bernie has a chance against ANY of the GOP candidates once their sights are set on him. But....................if the GOP would actually lose to Bernie, then they can't beat any of the Democratic nominees, thus making it the Democrats or DNCs job to stop him in the primaries. Know what? That is not the GOPs job if SOCIALISM is a bad thing in both party's eyes. That means if it is the DNCs job cause the GOP can't win, I am off the hook because this election, I have little to do with the DNC, and so are you of the hook I think! What would you have me(most of us) do? Start supporting Hillary to stop Bernie, lol!

I don't for a moment think that Bernie wants to turn us into Cuba.

I do think, however, that he'd like to see us look like Germany or Norway.

Two different things.
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I met an architect from Germany once, the state takes 70% of every dollar she makes, she lives in Government housing and doesn't have enough money left over to get anywhere in life she wasn't very happy.

 

[Rustic]

We're moving towards European socialism. Venezuela is not in Europe.

 

[Mac1958]

There's a difference between: Is Bernie advocating turning us into Cuba now And When would Bernie stop moving left so that we don't become Cuba. The first may be true, but the answer to the second is never. That's generally what Democrats do.

Okay, I think that's a perfectly valid point, and I share the concern that they would go too far, the slippery slope argument. We often tend to knee-jerk and overshoot.

So whether you want to either reverse this course or at least mitigate it, you'll need to offer a clear, strong alternative argument. But I definitely don't think the word "socialism" is going to scare anyone any more.
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[BluesLegend]

Americans will never submit to becoming slaves to the state under a socialist regime, there will be a civil war first and most of these traitorous liberals will be wiped out.

 

[Mac1958]

No more than breathing is "slavery" to oxygen. Capitalism is economic freedom. Money is just the denomination you work in. Customers, businesses, employers, employees, all make their own best decision. As shitty a decision people often make for themselves, empowering people to make decisions for others is inevitably worse

Hey, don't let these people redefine SOCIALISM to make it more palatable by putting DEMOCRATIC in front of it.

If they want to define a country as DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, then,

1. Show us where the government says that is what they are.

2. After they prove that they are, then lets start comparing what they live in, what they drive, and the price of their goods with the United States.

3. Then lets see what their tax rates are.

These people insisting it is peaches and cream are either naive, or know better and are trying to deceive. Who wants their family living in 800sq feet? Anyone?

That's fine, but here's what actually happening: While conservatives are screaming "SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! AAAAUUGGHHH!", liberals are making the case for it. And where are we now?

We've now reached a point where people are looking at government programs many conservatives would call "socialism" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and many others - and saying "oh, well, if that's socialism, then I must be for socialism". In other words, the Right has made it easier for the Left to make its case.

If the Right wants to win this argument, it should stop just screaming "SOCIALISM!" -- which is clearly no longer scaring people as it used to -- and make its case for an alternative, for a change. It may be too late for that, anyway.
.

Sorry Mac, gotta disagree with you on this one. The SOCIALIST model, DEMOCRATIC in front of it or not, will be put on trial to the American public if the nominee is Bernie. The Socialists on here can play patty-cake all they want now, but as soon as the commercials come out if Bernie is the victor on the Democratic side about what things cost over there, how much of their money they are left with after they are taxed to pay for the "free" stuff will bury him.

At this moment, nobody on the GOP side is attacking Sanders to much, because they like the idea he is making life miserable for Hillary. It is akin to the left talking nicely about Rubio and Kasich, as they claim they want Trump, but actually want him to go away because he has the "enthusiasm" thing going for him.

Let me put it this way--------------> I don't think Bernie has a chance against ANY of the GOP candidates once their sights are set on him. But....................if the GOP would actually lose to Bernie, then they can't beat any of the Democratic nominees, thus making it the Democrats or DNCs job to stop him in the primaries. Know what? That is not the GOPs job if SOCIALISM is a bad thing in both party's eyes. That means if it is the DNCs job cause the GOP can't win, I am off the hook because this election, I have little to do with the DNC, and so are you of the hook I think! What would you have me(most of us) do? Start supporting Hillary to stop Bernie, lol!

I don't for a moment think that Bernie wants to turn us into Cuba.

I do think, however, that he'd like to see us look like Germany or Norway.

Two different things.
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I met an architect from Germany once, the state takes 70% of every dollar she makes, she lives in Government housing and doesn't have enough money left over to get anywhere in life she wasn't very happy.

She wasn't being honest. Even if 70% were the top German personal income tax marginal rate, which it is not (it's 45%), even with their VAT her effective tax rate would be far lower.
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[Edgetho]

Americans will never submit to becoming slaves to the state under a socialist regime, there will be a civil war first and most of these traitorous liberals will be wiped out.

Wishful thinking.

Yes they will. Americans WILL submit. It's easier than fighting.

I promise you.

 

[Rustic]

 

[BluesLegend]

Hey, don't let these people redefine SOCIALISM to make it more palatable by putting DEMOCRATIC in front of it.

If they want to define a country as DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, then,

1. Show us where the government says that is what they are.

2. After they prove that they are, then lets start comparing what they live in, what they drive, and the price of their goods with the United States.

3. Then lets see what their tax rates are.

These people insisting it is peaches and cream are either naive, or know better and are trying to deceive. Who wants their family living in 800sq feet? Anyone?

That's fine, but here's what actually happening: While conservatives are screaming "SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! AAAAUUGGHHH!", liberals are making the case for it. And where are we now?

We've now reached a point where people are looking at government programs many conservatives would call "socialism" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and many others - and saying "oh, well, if that's socialism, then I must be for socialism". In other words, the Right has made it easier for the Left to make its case.

If the Right wants to win this argument, it should stop just screaming "SOCIALISM!" -- which is clearly no longer scaring people as it used to -- and make its case for an alternative, for a change. It may be too late for that, anyway.
.

Sorry Mac, gotta disagree with you on this one. The SOCIALIST model, DEMOCRATIC in front of it or not, will be put on trial to the American public if the nominee is Bernie. The Socialists on here can play patty-cake all they want now, but as soon as the commercials come out if Bernie is the victor on the Democratic side about what things cost over there, how much of their money they are left with after they are taxed to pay for the "free" stuff will bury him.

At this moment, nobody on the GOP side is attacking Sanders to much, because they like the idea he is making life miserable for Hillary. It is akin to the left talking nicely about Rubio and Kasich, as they claim they want Trump, but actually want him to go away because he has the "enthusiasm" thing going for him.

Let me put it this way--------------> I don't think Bernie has a chance against ANY of the GOP candidates once their sights are set on him. But....................if the GOP would actually lose to Bernie, then they can't beat any of the Democratic nominees, thus making it the Democrats or DNCs job to stop him in the primaries. Know what? That is not the GOPs job if SOCIALISM is a bad thing in both party's eyes. That means if it is the DNCs job cause the GOP can't win, I am off the hook because this election, I have little to do with the DNC, and so are you of the hook I think! What would you have me(most of us) do? Start supporting Hillary to stop Bernie, lol!

I don't for a moment think that Bernie wants to turn us into Cuba.

I do think, however, that he'd like to see us look like Germany or Norway.

Two different things.
.

I met an architect from Germany once, the state takes 70% of every dollar she makes, she lives in Government housing and doesn't have enough money left over to get anywhere in life she wasn't very happy.

She wasn't being honest. Even if 70% were the top German personal income tax marginal rate, which it is not (it's 45%), even with their VAT her effective tax rate would be far lower.
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Germany's VAT is 19% goddamn percent, do the math.

 

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[Edgetho]

She wasn't being honest. Even if 70% were the top German personal income tax marginal rate, which it is not (it's 45%), even with their VAT her effective tax rate would be far lower.
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YOU are the liar.

List of countries by tax rates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Top Personal Income tax Rate in Germany is 45%

Then, there's this --

Payroll Tax
41%, 15% for one of the many public health insurances (fixed rate by law), as well as a solidarity tax (depending on income) and a 26% social security tax (retirement + unemployment)

And this

Value Added Tax
19% or 7% (e.g. food)


liar

 

[BluesLegend]

Americans will never submit to becoming slaves to the state under a socialist regime, there will be a civil war first and most of these traitorous liberals will be wiped out.

Wishful thinking.

Yes they will. Americans WILL submit. It's easier than fighting.

I promise you.

Ahahahaha the liberal punks will be dispatched in a matter of days, weeks at the most.

 

[Rustic]