A World Without Capitalism and Tradable Shares?

[Andylusion]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

That's the problem with you people... you have to make up what other people support. I didn't support the tariffs. I didn't support the bailouts. I didn't support the over spending.

I have been entirely consistent.

Do tell... which of the alternatives want to reduce government, reduce regulations, have a more free market, with lower taxes, and lower government spending, and reducing government programs?

If you can't answer that, then stop complaining like a whiny child, when other options are better than yours.

So you didn't support his policy, but you supported him? That makes a lot of sense. haha

Sure. Yes it does make a lot of sense. Your lack of understanding is the only thing that doesn't make sense.

Say you have two options for employment, and you are going to work for one of them no matter what. One employer say he's going to pay you very little, expect hard work, and a full 8 hour day. The other employer says he's going to have you in a sewer for 10 hours a day, no help, no equipment, and bring your own flash light and batteries, and if you get paid, consider yourself lucky.

Which employer do you work for? The first one. Does that mean you support being paid little, and working hard for a full 8 hours? No. But it is still better than the other option.

I had to choose between Trump, and the left-wing Democrats with Biden. Basically it was either someone who will cut taxes, cut regulations, support 1st Amendment, and 2nd Amendment rights, and religious freedom.... but he over spends, and had that goofy stupid trade war.

Or.... I could support someone who openly wants to end freedom of speech, wants to destroy the 2nd amendment, wants to jack up taxes, increase regulations, destroy jobs any chance he gets, have ridiculous Covid mandates, and destroy every good aspect of the country, while catering to open terrorists.

Gee.... man.... I don't know.... let me think about it.... TRUMP! Trump was the better option, even with his flaws, by an extremely wide margin. He is better than you, better than Democrats, and better than anyone on the left-wing. No question about it.

So you make up a bunch of shit. Obama was way better than trump, but I'm sure you made up that same shit about him. Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits. How long are you gonna be fooled? The republican policy of cutting taxes and increasing military spending is the worst policy for debt. Nobody cares about debt when taxes are being cut. You are a moron.

Name one thing that was made up?

I can back each and every single one of those claims. As for Obama, nah he was terrible.

Obama had the worst recovery in US history. The economy recovered only in spite of Obama, not because of him. By his own standards, Obama failed. You can read the documents put out by Obama's own team of economist, which showed that without any stimulus, and no government spending, the economy would recover with a top unemployment of around 8%.

Instead we spent trillions on trillions, and ended up with over 10% unemployment. That's a failure. Not by my standard, but by Obama's own standard, it's a failure.

Further, Obama used the IRS to attack political opponents. Something that the orange man you claimed was a dictator, never did. That makes YOU a hypocrite.

Biden has already done more damage to the economy with the cancellation of the Keystone XL, than Trump did with the trade war.

Everything I predicted about a Biden victory, has actually played out already, and he's only been in office for days. Everything has proven all of my concerns about the sub-human trash that all left-wingers are, has been justified already. I have no doubt you will continue to prove everything I predicted, to be correct into the future from here

Oh that's funny. Obama inherits the mess Bush created and you blame Obama. Obama fixed the mess. Was his recovery slow? I didn't see any speed gains with Trump. Remember when trump made fun of Obama for not hitting 3%? Well now trump didn't either. And that was with increasing deficits every single year. Trump is the bailout king!! He even created a need for the big farmer bailout with his tariffs. Complete failure. Now we can only hope Biden can clean up the disaster trump created.

I blame whoever it is that is due blame.

Remember we have documents from the 1990s, of Obama suing banks to force them to make bad loans, which resulted in the bubble and crash. Even Obama in video, says that sub-prime loans were a good idea.



You can hear him in his own voice, saying they were a good idea. And again he lived that out, because we have is signature on lawsuits against banks to force them to make sub-prime loans.

So yes, any intelligent person who is willing to learn, would blame Obama for the sub-prime crash, since he openly supported it.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

 

[bripat9643]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

Crony capitalism is a form of socialism, moron. Democrats are the ones who support it. Democrats are the ones who defend companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter. Democrats are the ones who give huge government loans to solar energy companies.

"Good capitalism" is the kind where Democrats haven't been allowed to meddle.

Trump was a strong supporter of the crony Foxconn deal in WI. You are really confused.

His tariffs are a huge socialist scam.

The Corp tax cuts just went right into the richest pockets. Trump is a socialist crony.

No, no, no.... Mad King Donald is God! And all who oppose him are marxists lizards.

At least you are consistent. I will give you that.

Trump was nothing more than a lesser evil alternative. He was about as much as I could stomach to keep the Marxist horde from overrunning the FedGov, but now that is a certainty.

The criminal establishment keeps real patriots from coming anywhere near the FedGov. Take Austin Petersen, for example. That guy would be a libertarian wet dream, but the establishment will NEVER support him because he want to suppress their power structure.

The lesser evil drastically increased deficits? Sounds like the worse to me. Throw in his socialist tariffs and strong support for corporate welfare, and you clearly supported the worse choice. It’s sad we are choosing between bad choices, but don’t lie to yourself and think you picked the better.

Biden wants to spend another $3 trillion, moron.

Biden inherited another republican mess. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits every year. Your $3 trillion is inflated. But it does seem to be expensive to fix everything republicans F up. Obama left a $600 bil deficit. Bad, but Trump left a $3 trillion. Worse.

Only the brainwashed minions of the Democrat Reich claim Trump was responsible for the COVID shutdown. I say "claim" rather than "believe" because even they don't believe it..

Trump made the rules for the shutdown. They were on the Whitehouse website...

Each state made it's own rules, moron.

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

You have some imagination. Obama inherited a republican disaster and deficits declined. Trump inherited a strong economy and deficits increased. Those are the facts.

 

[Brain357]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

Crony capitalism is a form of socialism, moron. Democrats are the ones who support it. Democrats are the ones who defend companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter. Democrats are the ones who give huge government loans to solar energy companies.

"Good capitalism" is the kind where Democrats haven't been allowed to meddle.

Trump was a strong supporter of the crony Foxconn deal in WI. You are really confused.

His tariffs are a huge socialist scam.

The Corp tax cuts just went right into the richest pockets. Trump is a socialist crony.

No, no, no.... Mad King Donald is God! And all who oppose him are marxists lizards.

At least you are consistent. I will give you that.

Trump was nothing more than a lesser evil alternative. He was about as much as I could stomach to keep the Marxist horde from overrunning the FedGov, but now that is a certainty.

The criminal establishment keeps real patriots from coming anywhere near the FedGov. Take Austin Petersen, for example. That guy would be a libertarian wet dream, but the establishment will NEVER support him because he want to suppress their power structure.

The lesser evil drastically increased deficits? Sounds like the worse to me. Throw in his socialist tariffs and strong support for corporate welfare, and you clearly supported the worse choice. It’s sad we are choosing between bad choices, but don’t lie to yourself and think you picked the better.

Biden wants to spend another $3 trillion, moron.

Biden inherited another republican mess. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits every year. Your $3 trillion is inflated. But it does seem to be expensive to fix everything republicans F up. Obama left a $600 bil deficit. Bad, but Trump left a $3 trillion. Worse.

Only the brainwashed minions of the Democrat Reich claim Trump was responsible for the COVID shutdown. I say "claim" rather than "believe" because even they don't believe it..

Trump made the rules for the shutdown. They were on the Whitehouse website...

Each state made it's own rules, moron.

Trump had rules posted on the whitehouse website. Moron.

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

 

[bripat9643]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

Crony capitalism is a form of socialism, moron. Democrats are the ones who support it. Democrats are the ones who defend companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter. Democrats are the ones who give huge government loans to solar energy companies.

"Good capitalism" is the kind where Democrats haven't been allowed to meddle.

Trump was a strong supporter of the crony Foxconn deal in WI. You are really confused.

His tariffs are a huge socialist scam.

The Corp tax cuts just went right into the richest pockets. Trump is a socialist crony.

No, no, no.... Mad King Donald is God! And all who oppose him are marxists lizards.

At least you are consistent. I will give you that.

Trump was nothing more than a lesser evil alternative. He was about as much as I could stomach to keep the Marxist horde from overrunning the FedGov, but now that is a certainty.

The criminal establishment keeps real patriots from coming anywhere near the FedGov. Take Austin Petersen, for example. That guy would be a libertarian wet dream, but the establishment will NEVER support him because he want to suppress their power structure.

The lesser evil drastically increased deficits? Sounds like the worse to me. Throw in his socialist tariffs and strong support for corporate welfare, and you clearly supported the worse choice. It’s sad we are choosing between bad choices, but don’t lie to yourself and think you picked the better.

Biden wants to spend another $3 trillion, moron.

Biden inherited another republican mess. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits every year. Your $3 trillion is inflated. But it does seem to be expensive to fix everything republicans F up. Obama left a $600 bil deficit. Bad, but Trump left a $3 trillion. Worse.

Only the brainwashed minions of the Democrat Reich claim Trump was responsible for the COVID shutdown. I say "claim" rather than "believe" because even they don't believe it..

Trump made the rules for the shutdown. They were on the Whitehouse website...

Each state made it's own rules, moron.

Trump had rules posted on the whitehouse website. Moron.

Each state made it's own rules, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

There is no evidence that Trump had sex with that sleazy lying pornstar trying to shake him down.

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

There is no evidence that Trump had sex with that sleazy lying pornstar trying to shake him down.

He paid her off and never denied it. Either way the Bible is pretty clear on divorce...

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

There is no evidence that Trump had sex with that sleazy lying pornstar trying to shake him down.

I don’t think Jesus would approve of a charity foundation that was shut down cause it was just a tax scam either.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

You have some imagination. Obama inherited a republican disaster and deficits declined. Trump inherited a strong economy and deficits increased. Those are the facts.

So you can't actually respond to a single thing I said, nor can you even defend the documented fact that Obama supported the Sub-prime loans, that caused the crash to begin with.

You can't contradict the facts, but you are still repeating things that are true without being relevant. Just because Obama 'inherited' a bad economy from someone else, does not mean Obama was not instrumental in the cause of that bad economy, or that the someone else was the cause.

Again, facts are more important than your partisan "dur he was in charge when X happened, so thus he is the cause" child level arguments. Grow up.

 

[Mac-7]

If tradable shares as enshrined in corporate law "weaponized" capitalism, is it time to revisit the scene of the crime?

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Confronting rentier capitalism and fashioning firms for which social responsibility is more than a marketing ploy requires nothing less than re-writing corporate law.

"To recognize the scale of the undertaking, it helps to return to the moment in history when tradable shares weaponized capitalism, and to ask ourselves: Are we ready to correct that 'error'?

"The moment occurred on 24 September 1599. In a timbered building off Moorgate Fields, not far from where Shakespeare was struggling to complete Hamlet, a new type of company was founded. Its ownership of the new firm, called the East India Company, was sliced into tiny pieces to be bought and sold freely...."

"To imagine what transcending capitalism might mean in practice requires rethinking the ownership of corporations.

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold."

Imagine that.

If not capitalism and free markets then what?

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

You have some imagination. Obama inherited a republican disaster and deficits declined. Trump inherited a strong economy and deficits increased. Those are the facts.

So you can't actually respond to a single thing I said, nor can you even defend the documented fact that Obama supported the Sub-prime loans, that caused the crash to begin with.

You can't contradict the facts, but you are still repeating things that are true without being relevant. Just because Obama 'inherited' a bad economy from someone else, does not mean Obama was not instrumental in the cause of that bad economy, or that the someone else was the cause.

Again, facts are more important than your partisan "dur he was in charge when X happened, so thus he is the cause" child level arguments. Grow up.

You babble on stupidly.
Obama deficits went from $1.6 trillion to $600 bil. Trumps $600 bil to $3 trillion. The facts are clear.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

I never suggested that Trump was a Christian, nor that he would follow Christian belief.

If Trump was in my church, I would tell him not to divorce his wife.

But even then, are you suggesting that somehow the Bible says divorce is worse than infanticide? That murder is a lesser offense than divorce?

And by the way, you seem to have missed the entire point of the Bible, which is redemption. That's the whole thing, start to finish, is the redemption of man, from a merciful G-d.

The whole point is, none of us are perfect. Not one. No one. But G-d forgives.

Can G-d forgive lying? Yes. Does that mean lying is not a sin? No, it is still a sin, but G-d does forgive.

Does G-d forgive murder? Yes. Does that mean murder is not a sin? No, it is still wrong.

Does G-d forgive divorce? Yes. Does that mean we can divorce? No. But G-d will still forgive.

Lastly, there is some strange weird stupidity, usually from left-wingers, that somehow a Christian is not allowed to vote for people who are not Christian... or that somehow if you vote for someone who engaged badly, that this means you support his bad behavoir.

That's a strange concept for two reasons. Hillary Clinton lied non-stop her entire career in politics, and was engaged in corruption since the start. She trumped up false charges against the White House travel office, to appoint political supporters into the job, all the way back to 1993, and topped it off with saying that after being in high political office for decades, she had zero ability to tell what was classified, and what was not, on an email server that should never had existed to begin with.

And to list every aspect of corruption from 1993, to her last month in office, would take dozens on dozens of pages.

Do all democrats support open corruption?

Further, while I do hold politicians to a standard, that standard does not include the Biblical standard. I don't expect people who are not Christian, to follow Christian rules. Now obviously if you come into my business, or my church, I do, because you are in my domain. But why would I expect Hillary, or Biden, or Obama, or Trump, to give 10% of income to the Church, is they are not Christians?

And to suggest they should is ridiculous. Where is that perfect candidate, that is a perfect person? They don't exist. Does that mean I should ignore my civic duty? No, I still am apart of society, just like you, and we both vote for whom we believe is best.

Trump was the best choice on the ballot. You disagree with that, and that's fine, you are allowed to be wrong, but that doesn't change anything for me. He was the best option.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

You have some imagination. Obama inherited a republican disaster and deficits declined. Trump inherited a strong economy and deficits increased. Those are the facts.

So you can't actually respond to a single thing I said, nor can you even defend the documented fact that Obama supported the Sub-prime loans, that caused the crash to begin with.

You can't contradict the facts, but you are still repeating things that are true without being relevant. Just because Obama 'inherited' a bad economy from someone else, does not mean Obama was not instrumental in the cause of that bad economy, or that the someone else was the cause.

Again, facts are more important than your partisan "dur he was in charge when X happened, so thus he is the cause" child level arguments. Grow up.

You babble on stupidly.
Obama deficits went from $1.6 trillion to $600 bil. Trumps $600 bil to $3 trillion. The facts are clear.

So you STILL can't actually respond to a single thing I said, nor can you even defend the documented fact that Obama supported the Sub-prime loans, that caused the crash to begin with.

You can't contradict the facts, but you are still repeating things that are true without being relevant. Just because Obama 'inherited' a bad economy from someone else, does not mean Obama was not instrumental in the cause of that bad economy, or that the someone else was the cause.

Again, facts are more important than your partisan "dur he was in charge when X happened, so thus he is the cause" child level arguments. Grow up. Childish behavior is expected, but still pathetic for you keep engaging in it.

 

[Andylusion]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

I agree, I was totally against Trump's over spending.

The problem is, you just make up crap to justify what your guy did. Obama's over spending didn't help the economy at all. No evidence at all, that him giving billions to political supporters, somehow helped the economy.

The most obvious examples were the massive amount of money he gave to Train Unions, and to Green energy companies like Solyndra. Then you want to pretend his dumb political kick backs.... some how saved the economy? No, you are mindless lemming, too dumb to think for yourself.

I'm not claiming Obama was good, but he sure was better than Trump. Trump ran up a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy. Obama deficits declined as he fixed the Bush mess. Trump created his own mess.

No, that's actually not true at all. So lets look at the facts. Not your opinion.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

Receipts, outlays, and surplus or deficit in dollars and as a percent of GDP from 1940 to 2029.

www.taxpolicycenter.org

View attachment 452055

In 2009, Obama takes office. My apologies, the arrow is pointing to 2008, and that's wrong.

So from 2009 until 2011, Obama has complete control of the entire government. They could do anything. They could cut spending. They could increase taxes, if they really believe taxes have no negative effects on the economy.

They had 100% control.

During that time. We deficits that NEVER WENT BELOW $1.3 Trillion dollars.

It was not until Republican gained power after the 2010 election, where we gained control of both the house and senate, that deficits started to drop.

Meanwhile, under Trump, deficits never went above $1 Trillion. And even then, Democrats have been in charge of the house since 2019, right?

Now let me clarify, Obviously the deficits are well above $1 Trillion, possibly up to $3.3 Trillion for 2020. But was that Trump's fault? No. In fact Trump repeatedly argued against it. If anything it was largely Democrats fault, since they were pushing for this "end of the world, we must lock down, and destroy most of the economy" belief system, and the endless bailouts, that I oppose.

Even if you are stupid enough to believe all that, how do you explain the endless spending on political supporters, in what is supposedly a Covid relief bill?

For example, how can you support lock downs and social distancing, and spend $15 Billion dollars on mass transit and Amtrak? Aren't people supposed to stay home? Why would you encourage them to ride the bus and train?

Pelosi’s Identity Politics Pork Barrel

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste,” Obama adviser Rahm Emanuel said during the country’s last major emergency. Now, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bringing this noxious idea back as she uses the coronavirus pandemic to permanently stamp identity politics on corporate America.

www.heritage.org

Why are you blowing money on "diversity training", during a pandemic? Doing that is better than Trump how?

So if your argument is that Democrats are better than Republicans on deficits, why didn't the Democrats taking control of the house, start reducing the debt, like the Republicans did under Obama? Or the Republicans under Bill Clinton?

You can see the same pattern in the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Deficits went up until 1995, after the Republicans won congress, and the deficits fell every single year after that.

In fact, if you go back and read the White House budge from 1993 and 1994, Clinton never predicted that deficits would go down. He never intended to reduce the deficit at all. It was exclusively Republicans who did that. You can verify that, because congress controls the budget, not the President, and you can see that congress under cut the Clinton budget every single year.

Regardless, even if you pretend that the only issue that matters on the planet, is deficits, Trump was better than Obama. No question about it.

That said, there are dozens of issues that Trump was better than Obama on, and Biden for that matter. And as Christian personally, there is from a religious standpoint a far more important issue than deficits, namely child murder. Even if Obama, or Biden, were more conservative in every other way, there is no way I could vote for someone that supports infanticide.

However, since once again Democrats have complete control over government, let's see how fiscally responsible you really are.

The Christian voted for the guy who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. That is too funny. What does the Bible say about divorce? Also what did Jesus say about rich people and getting into heaven? You care about people who never lived but wanted to kill people to save the economy. That pro life BS is exposed.

There is no evidence that Trump had sex with that sleazy lying pornstar trying to shake him down.

I don’t think Jesus would approve of a charity foundation that was shut down cause it was just a tax scam either.

Both of you. I have every reason to believe that Trump likely did screw a porn star. Trump has always been loose with women.

That doesn't mean he wasn't still the best option.

Just like, I agree, Jesus would not approve of a charity that was a tax scam, and Jesus would say Trump should pay the fines and penalties levied against him.

Did he do that? I think so.

Regardless, that still doesn't mean that Biden engaging in open corrupt is somehow the "more christian" option.

 

[georgephillip]

f not capitalism and free markets then what?

My link is a four-minute read

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold.

"Like students who receive a library card upon registration, new staff receive a single share granting a single vote to be cast in all-shareholder ballots deciding every matter of the corporation, from management and planning issues to the distribution of net revenues and bonuses.

"Suddenly, the profit-wage distinction makes no sense and corporations are cut down to size, boosting market competition

"When a baby is born, the central bank automatically grants her or him a trust fund (or personal capital account) that is periodically topped up with a universal basic dividend.

"When the child becomes a teenager, the central bank throws in a free checking account.

"Workers move freely from company to company, carrying with them their trust-fund capital, which they may lend to the company they work in or to others.

"Because there are no equities to turbocharge with massive fictitious capital, finance becomes delightfully boring—and stable.

"States drop all personal and sales taxes, instead taxing only corporate revenues, land, and activities detrimental to the commons."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

f not capitalism and free markets then what?

My link is a four-minute read

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold.

"Like students who receive a library card upon registration, new staff receive a single share granting a single vote to be cast in all-shareholder ballots deciding every matter of the corporation, from management and planning issues to the distribution of net revenues and bonuses.

"Suddenly, the profit-wage distinction makes no sense and corporations are cut down to size, boosting market competition

"When a baby is born, the central bank automatically grants her or him a trust fund (or personal capital account) that is periodically topped up with a universal basic dividend.

"When the child becomes a teenager, the central bank throws in a free checking account.

"Workers move freely from company to company, carrying with them their trust-fund capital, which they may lend to the company they work in or to others.

"Because there are no equities to turbocharge with massive fictitious capital, finance becomes delightfully boring—and stable.

"States drop all personal and sales taxes, instead taxing only corporate revenues, land, and activities detrimental to the commons."

"Imagine that shares resemble electoral votes, which can be neither bought nor sold.

Those shares would be worth exactly what you paid for them.

 

[georgephillip]

Some things do not have an infinite supply (as in a beautiful mansion overlooking the Pacific in Malibu.) What is your answer when 100M people all decide they want that mansion too. Utopia is a fairy tale.

I don't know how a reformed capitalism without tradable shares would affect demand for luxury goods. I think the overwhelming majority of consumers would benefit from an economy that distributed goods and service based on need instead of ability to pay.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

Move there!

Adios!

Barbarossa USA

Too late?