Abortion Doctor George Tiller Reportedly Killed at Church

[DiveCon]

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

Why did you take the chance and get in that car if you didn't want a shard of glass through your artery? What entitles you to have it removed? Is RESPONSIBILITY not in your vocabulary?

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

 

[Pyrite]

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

 

[DiveCon]

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

wrong
in a car accident it is totally unavoidable
in pregnancy, you already chose to have intercourse
you know the risks
why should a child DIE because you are an idiot

 

[Pyrite]

wrong
in a car accident it is totally unavoidable
in pregnancy, you already chose to have intercourse
you know the risks
why should a child DIE because you are an idiot

A car accident is unavoidable from the minute you get in a car? news to me.
didn't you already choose to be in the car when driving?
don't most people know the risks?

Do you think that all people who have sex, regardless of use of contraception, and do not wish to get pregnant, are idiots?

 

[Harry Dresden]

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

Why did you take the chance and get in that car if you didn't want a shard of glass through your artery? What entitles you to have it removed? Is RESPONSIBILITY not in your vocabulary?

your comparing a CAR ACCIDENT with a girl knowingly having unprotected sex and then getting pregnant and calling it an "ACCIDENT".....INTELLIGENCE is not in your vocabulary dipshit....

 

[Pyrite]

your comparing a CAR ACCIDENT with a girl knowingly having unprotected sex and then getting pregnant and calling it an "ACCIDENT".....INTELLIGENCE is not in your vocabulary dipshit....

No one said that the sex had to be unprotected. In fact, it's been mentioned several times that contraceptives sometimes fail. Should only women who used contraception be allowed abortions?

 

[Harry Dresden]

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

and in one situation MORON the car accident may not have been my fault....knowingly having unprotected sex means there is a good chance SHE JUST MAY GET PREGNANT.....GUNNY WHERE THE FUCK DO THESE PEOPLE COME FROM?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

your comparing a CAR ACCIDENT with a girl knowingly having unprotected sex and then getting pregnant and calling it an "ACCIDENT".....INTELLIGENCE is not in your vocabulary dipshit....

No one said that the sex had to be unprotected. In fact, it's been mentioned several times that contraceptives sometimes fail. Should only women who used contraception be allowed abortions?

in this example DILDO she knowingly HAD UNPROTECTED SEX.....learn to read and comprehend....

 

[Pyrite]

in this example DILDO she knowingly HAD UNPROTECTED SEX.....learn to read and comprehend....

I wrote the example, fuckwad. That's not what I said.

 

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[Bullypulpit]

so by your logic if a woman decides to have unprotected sex,and gets pregnant,it was an accident....

If she didn't want it, yes.

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

And what is the sperm donor's responsibility? Does the man bear no responsibility at all? Or does having a dick absolve him from responsibility?

 

[KittenKoder]

If she didn't want it, yes.

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

And what is the sperm donor's responsibility? Does the man bear no responsibility at all? Or does having a dick absolve him from responsibility?

Alright ... circular arguments never get anywhere ... they are both responsible and should be. Abortion as convenient birth control is wrong for many reasons, abortion for medical needs or because of rape is just well ... unavoidable most times. This isn't a black and white world, and neither is more guilty than the other when an unwanted pregnancy happens. Precautions however are just that, they are not 100% effective, nothing in the world is 100% other than your chance of dying. Here's the problem that you two are missing: You're BOTH right.

 

[Bullypulpit]

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

And what is the sperm donor's responsibility? Does the man bear no responsibility at all? Or does having a dick absolve him from responsibility?

Alright ... circular arguments never get anywhere ... they are both responsible and should be. Abortion as convenient birth control is wrong for many reasons, abortion for medical needs or because of rape is just well ... unavoidable most times. This isn't a black and white world, and neither is more guilty than the other when an unwanted pregnancy happens. Precautions however are just that, they are not 100% effective, nothing in the world is 100% other than your chance of dying. Here's the problem that you two are missing: You're BOTH right.

Indeed, abortion is not a sensible means of birth control...but that is seldom what it is used for in first trimester abortions and not at all in in second or third trimester abortions. It continues to puzzle me as to the insistence of the religious right wing-nuts insisting on the rights of a fetus, yet they fail to support social programs, or creating a uniform standard for adoption laws across the country...for these potential human live once they are actualized by birth. They continue to rail against safe, legal abortions but fail to support measures which would make them unnecessary...like sound, fact based sex education in schools, lifting restrictions on providing birth control to teenagers, and restrictions on access to emergency contraception.

Because it seems to me that those on the religious right are less concerned about the lives of the woman and the the potential baby than they are about controlling the lives of women. It is misogyny, plain and simple especially given the number of times they have tried to get laws passed banning abortion even in cases of rape, incest and threats to the health of the woman. Never mind that homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, at the hands of their husbands or boyfriends. We don't see the religious right marching in protest against that.

The religious right wing-nuts in the "right-to-life" movement care fuck-all about women or the children resulting from unplanned pregnancies. It's all about control...power over the lives of women. They're hypocrites, the lot of 'em.

 

[Nik]

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

wrong
in a car accident it is totally unavoidable
in pregnancy, you already chose to have intercourse
you know the risks
why should a child DIE because you are an idiot

Car accidents are totally unavoidable? Wow...you aren't much of a thinker are you.

I'll tell you right now the deep wisdom which will allow you to never get into a car accident....

Don't get into a car. So car accidents are completely avoidable.

 

[Nik]

so by your logic if a woman decides to have unprotected sex,and gets pregnant,it was an accident....

If she didn't want it, yes.

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

If you did not want to get into a car accident, why did you take the chance and get into a car?

Yeah. Bad reasoning on your part, dumbass. Merely that an unintended and undesirable result might happen from an action doesn't make that consequence purposeful if it does, in fact, happen.

 

[KittenKoder]

again, that is a FALSE analogy and it will still be one no matter how many fucking times you use it

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

wrong
in a car accident it is totally unavoidable

I have to argue this part, and only this part. Most are avoidable, with simple and logical steps. Few car accidents occur because of outside influences, and then many of those can even be avoided. People in cars need to slow the fuck down, stop drinking, stop chatting (especially on the phone and texting), and start paying attention to what's going outside of their car. The cars are so safe for those inside that they are not caring about what the car itself is doing as much.

 

[Harry Dresden]

in this example DILDO she knowingly HAD UNPROTECTED SEX.....learn to read and comprehend....

I wrote the example, fuckwad. That's not what I said.

right, its the EXAMPLE i was using, if you can comprehend things you would have known that

 

[Harry Dresden]

If she didn't want it, yes.

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

And what is the sperm donor's responsibility? Does the man bear no responsibility at all? Or does having a dick absolve him from responsibility?

he takes the EXACT SAME RESPONSIBILITY.....

 

[DiveCon]

Do the CAPITAL LETTERS make it false? They do seem to be the entire substance of your argument.

In both cases the person involved ends up in a situation they knew there was a chance of when they got into it.

And in both situations, if the undesired outcome is what results, the person involved can go to a doctor and be treated.

wrong
in a car accident it is totally unavoidable

I have to argue this part, and only this part. Most are avoidable, with simple and logical steps. Few car accidents occur because of outside influences, and then many of those can even be avoided. People in cars need to slow the fuck down, stop drinking, stop chatting (especially on the phone and texting), and start paying attention to what's going outside of their car. The cars are so safe for those inside that they are not caring about what the car itself is doing as much.

ok, so i stated it poorly, but the point is that i could be driving as safe as possible and someone ELSE hits me
at that point it is completely out of my control

besides it is a stupid assed analogy to compare to pregnancy

 

[DiveCon]

if she did not want it why did she take the chance and have sex?....so in other words Nik RESPONSIBILITY is not in your vocabulary.....

And what is the sperm donor's responsibility? Does the man bear no responsibility at all? Or does having a dick absolve him from responsibility?

he takes the EXACT SAME RESPONSIBILITY.....

and, if both have the same responsibility, why is it only ONE has the right of choice?