nope...they were creating the weapons before Bush took office...and had a great head start from all the stuff Clinton gave them. Bush had nothing to do with the agreement and handing over the materials. When Bush discovered what they had been doing, he rightfully called them oiutNo argument here.Well, now that they have the nuke, they now have admitted they are developing tactic weapons to deliver them...https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-development-intl-hnk/index.htmlThere’s debate as to whether they “admitted” anything. It boils down to a translation issue. People jump on anything that confirms their pre-existing belief and the Bush administration was pretty prone to seeing weapons of mass destruction that don’t exist.
NK’s first nuclear weapons were plutonium based. Not uranium.
2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
But the question was how they got weapons and the answer is that Bush screwed up.
Getting touch sounds nice but when there’s no plan, it often backfires.
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About time we had a President to deal with North Korea
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colfax_m
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nope...they were creating the weapons before Bush took office...and had a great head start from all the stuff Clinton gave them. Bush had nothing to do with the agreement and handing over the materials. When Bush discovered what they had been doing, he rightfully called them oiutNo argument here.Well, now that they have the nuke, they now have admitted they are developing tactic weapons to deliver them...https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-development-intl-hnk/index.htmlThere’s debate as to whether they “admitted” anything. It boils down to a translation issue. People jump on anything that confirms their pre-existing belief and the Bush administration was pretty prone to seeing weapons of mass destruction that don’t exist.hashahahhahahhaha https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/nukes/nukes.htmlingBush torpedoed the agreed framework and Kim took their previously secured fuel rods and reprocessed the plutonium.I wonder how North Korea got their nukes, do you know?
They were making it the entire time! Bush caught them! They admitted to it in 2002!
"we did know about the DPRK cheating on the highly-enriched uranium front starting in 1998" Joel S. Wit, State Department Coordinator for implementation of the Agreed Framework (1995–2000
NK was cheating the entire time...and were given the tools by Clinton to do just that.
NK’s first nuclear weapons were plutonium based. Not uranium.
2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia
But the question was how they got weapons and the answer is that Bush screwed up.
Getting touch sounds nice but when there’s no plan, it often backfires.
What stuff did Clinton give them that gave them a great head start? I’d be interested to know.
Bush “called them out” based on shaky intelligence, stop me if you heard this one. And his “calling them out” led to them getting nuclear weapons FASTER than if he had done literally nothing.
Eric Arthur Blair
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Oooh...Biden threats N. Korea. Prepare for the fall of Kim Jong Un and the Communist North.Finally, a President who will stand up to a very real threat and protect American and our allies, and not a President not obsessed with sweet letters and, photo ops and self serving rhetoric.
The idea that anyone is frightened by this doddering old clown is rich.
* Deliver 500,000 tons of heavy oil annually to DPRK as an alternative energynope...they were creating the weapons before Bush took office...and had a great head start from all the stuff Clinton gave them. Bush had nothing to do with the agreement and handing over the materials. When Bush discovered what they had been doing, he rightfully called them oiutNo argument here.Well, now that they have the nuke, they now have admitted they are developing tactic weapons to deliver them...https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-development-intl-hnk/index.htmlThere’s debate as to whether they “admitted” anything. It boils down to a translation issue. People jump on anything that confirms their pre-existing belief and the Bush administration was pretty prone to seeing weapons of mass destruction that don’t exist.hashahahhahahhaha https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/nukes/nukes.htmlingBush torpedoed the agreed framework and Kim took their previously secured fuel rods and reprocessed the plutonium.I wonder how North Korea got their nukes, do you know?
They were making it the entire time! Bush caught them! They admitted to it in 2002!
"we did know about the DPRK cheating on the highly-enriched uranium front starting in 1998" Joel S. Wit, State Department Coordinator for implementation of the Agreed Framework (1995–2000
NK was cheating the entire time...and were given the tools by Clinton to do just that.
NK’s first nuclear weapons were plutonium based. Not uranium.
2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia
But the question was how they got weapons and the answer is that Bush screwed up.
Getting touch sounds nice but when there’s no plan, it often backfires.
What stuff did Clinton give them that gave them a great head start? I’d be interested to know.
Bush “called them out” based on shaky intelligence, stop me if you heard this one. And his “calling them out” led to them getting nuclear weapons FASTER than if he had done literally nothing.
* Make arrangements for two 1000 MWe light water reactors to DPRK with target date of 2003.
colfax_m
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Light water reactors never happened. The fuel deliveries were often delayed.* Deliver 500,000 tons of heavy oil annually to DPRK as an alternative energynope...they were creating the weapons before Bush took office...and had a great head start from all the stuff Clinton gave them. Bush had nothing to do with the agreement and handing over the materials. When Bush discovered what they had been doing, he rightfully called them oiutNo argument here.Well, now that they have the nuke, they now have admitted they are developing tactic weapons to deliver them...https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-development-intl-hnk/index.htmlThere’s debate as to whether they “admitted” anything. It boils down to a translation issue. People jump on anything that confirms their pre-existing belief and the Bush administration was pretty prone to seeing weapons of mass destruction that don’t exist.hashahahhahahhaha https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/nukes/nukes.htmlingBush torpedoed the agreed framework and Kim took their previously secured fuel rods and reprocessed the plutonium.I wonder how North Korea got their nukes, do you know?
They were making it the entire time! Bush caught them! They admitted to it in 2002!
"we did know about the DPRK cheating on the highly-enriched uranium front starting in 1998" Joel S. Wit, State Department Coordinator for implementation of the Agreed Framework (1995–2000
NK was cheating the entire time...and were given the tools by Clinton to do just that.
NK’s first nuclear weapons were plutonium based. Not uranium.
2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia
But the question was how they got weapons and the answer is that Bush screwed up.
Getting touch sounds nice but when there’s no plan, it often backfires.
What stuff did Clinton give them that gave them a great head start? I’d be interested to know.
Bush “called them out” based on shaky intelligence, stop me if you heard this one. And his “calling them out” led to them getting nuclear weapons FASTER than if he had done literally nothing.
* Make arrangements for two 1000 MWe light water reactors to DPRK with target date of 2003.
As if the development of nuclear weapons somehow hinged on heavy oil. What a reach.
pknopp
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um South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.www.japantimes.co.jp
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.www.brookings.edu
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
you don't think fuel, food etc isn't going to help? that's one less thing the govt needs to worry about or spend onLight water reactors never happened. The fuel deliveries were often delayed.* Deliver 500,000 tons of heavy oil annually to DPRK as an alternative energynope...they were creating the weapons before Bush took office...and had a great head start from all the stuff Clinton gave them. Bush had nothing to do with the agreement and handing over the materials. When Bush discovered what they had been doing, he rightfully called them oiutNo argument here.Well, now that they have the nuke, they now have admitted they are developing tactic weapons to deliver them...https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/asia/north-korea-nuclear-development-intl-hnk/index.htmlThere’s debate as to whether they “admitted” anything. It boils down to a translation issue. People jump on anything that confirms their pre-existing belief and the Bush administration was pretty prone to seeing weapons of mass destruction that don’t exist.hashahahhahahhaha https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/nukes/nukes.htmlingBush torpedoed the agreed framework and Kim took their previously secured fuel rods and reprocessed the plutonium.I wonder how North Korea got their nukes, do you know?
They were making it the entire time! Bush caught them! They admitted to it in 2002!
"we did know about the DPRK cheating on the highly-enriched uranium front starting in 1998" Joel S. Wit, State Department Coordinator for implementation of the Agreed Framework (1995–2000
NK was cheating the entire time...and were given the tools by Clinton to do just that.
NK’s first nuclear weapons were plutonium based. Not uranium.
2006 North Korean nuclear test - Wikipedia
But the question was how they got weapons and the answer is that Bush screwed up.
Getting touch sounds nice but when there’s no plan, it often backfires.
What stuff did Clinton give them that gave them a great head start? I’d be interested to know.
Bush “called them out” based on shaky intelligence, stop me if you heard this one. And his “calling them out” led to them getting nuclear weapons FASTER than if he had done literally nothing.
* Make arrangements for two 1000 MWe light water reactors to DPRK with target date of 2003.
As if the development of nuclear weapons somehow hinged on heavy oil. What a reach.
Mac-7
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Why shouldnt he withdraw the US since the russians are cheatingum South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)
colfax_m
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You realize we are talking about nuclear weapons, right?you don't think fuel, food etc isn't going to help?
Nuclear weapon development isn’t exactly dependent on whether people have snacks.
Trump didn't ignore it...he followed it, and then officially withdrew....a President can do that.um South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
We withdrew, because it wasn't being followed....Putin was not following it, Turkey wasn't either
Trump turned over the intelligence as well proving they were...they shared it with the EU...and I see no move by Xiden to rejoin...it was a justified withdrawal.
Never trust the Russian...in particular one of their ideas like this one dealing with intelligence.
Well...we are talking about MONEY....developing nukes requires money....food and fuel cost money.You realize we are talking about nuclear weapons, right?you don't think fuel, food etc isn't going to help?
Nuclear weapon development isn’t exactly dependent on whether people have snacks.
If I don't have to spend money on fuel, food or heating the population, I have more resouces to spend on something else...
ColonelAngus
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Biden refused to say what the response may be to NOKO for their illegal tests. He had to read his reply verbatim from his notes.
He doesnt know what the fuck is going on.
He doesnt know what the fuck is going on.
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Biden warns North Korea of 'responses' if they continue to test ballistic missiles
President Joe Biden warned that there would be "responses" if North Korea continues to fire ballistic missiles following the hermit kingdom's second launch in less than a week.www.cnn.com
Finally, a President who will stand up to a very real threat and protect American and our allies, and not a President not obsessed with sweet letters and, photo ops and self serving rhetoric.
This belongs in the humor/comedy section of the board.
Unless... do we have a lying liars and the lies they tell section?
pknopp
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Why shouldnt he withdraw the US since the russians are cheatingum South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)
My position was since it's ok for one president to withdraw from treaties it would have been ok for the next.
I don't disagree.Why shouldnt he withdraw the US since the russians are cheatingum South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)
My position was since it's ok for one president to withdraw from treaties it would have been ok for the next.
My position was, and is...that withdrawling from a treaty isn't the same as ignoring it.
pknopp
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I don't disagree.Why shouldnt he withdraw the US since the russians are cheatingum South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)
My position was since it's ok for one president to withdraw from treaties it would have been ok for the next.
My position was, and is...that withdrawling from a treaty isn't the same as ignoring it.
So Jorgensen could have decided to withdraw based upon it being our best interest to mind our own business.
colfax_m
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Sure. Because North Korea was going to prioritize food and oil for their citizens over development of nuclear weapons.Well...we are talking about MONEY....developing nukes requires money....food and fuel cost money.You realize we are talking about nuclear weapons, right?you don't think fuel, food etc isn't going to help?
Nuclear weapon development isn’t exactly dependent on whether people have snacks.
If I don't have to spend money on fuel, food or heating the population, I have more resouces to spend on something else...
I mean, do you know anything about North Korea?
Sure...withdrawing isn't ignoring...it's in fact acknowledging it's existence, and taking the steps to withdraw formally...as Trump did.I don't disagree.Why shouldnt he withdraw the US since the russians are cheatingum South Korea would argue with you, and Japan, and the Americans living in Guam...would disagree with you about them not doing anything to anyone.If she were President, I don't think she could ignore our legal obligations per a treaty...I suppose she could...I think there would be major backlash...but had she won in 2020....and the Dems actually instead of lying, attack and spreading propaganda about Trump during his term, and actually worked on what he, and you apparently agree on in regards to Japan defense, maybe she could have.well....you may recall that they don't have much of a military...since the end of the WW2...President Truman signed the Security Treaty Between the US and Japan in 1951.ICBMs with nukes that can reach the US threaten usN. Korea can't threaten us.
Along with nukes aimed at our ally Japan
Then Japan needs to step up. We have no business being the world police.
You may recall that the former President Trump, actually was attacked...by leftist propagandist, when he said...repeatedly that Japan needs to step it up...he was attacked in 2016
Trump rips U.S. defense of Japan as one-sided, too expensive
Donald Trump blasted as unfair U.S. defense tie-ups with NATO, South Korea and Japan, a reprise of comments that have earned him scorn by many in the national security community.
Trump shakedowns are threatening two key US alliances in Asia | Brookings
For decades, Trump has derided America’s allies as “free-riders” who don’t pull their own weight. That is an inaccurate depiction of the large contributions provided to the U.S. by South Korea and Japan over the decades.
2019: Trump says 'unfair' defense treaty with Japan needs to be changed
You had a President that wanted Japan to "set it up" as you say you want....the partisan Dems and their propagandist attacked him.
Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy, and feel for the leftwing propagandist
I'm sure Jorgensen would have had us minding our own business.
We have no legal obligations to address N. Korea that has never done anything to anyone.
Besides, Trump ignored agreements when he didn't support them, why should Jorgensen been any different?
Well I think I stated, I suppose she could ignore it...but with that said, an agreement and a treaty are two different things....what I highlighted was a treaty...not merely an agreement
Trump Will Withdraw From Open Skies Arms Control Treaty
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)
My position was since it's ok for one president to withdraw from treaties it would have been ok for the next.
My position was, and is...that withdrawling from a treaty isn't the same as ignoring it.
So Jorgensen could have decided to withdraw based upon it being our best interest to mind our own business.
What Russia was doing was ignoring the treaty.
Certainly made things easier for them. Fuel is also need to run equipment, military and other construction equipment...soldiers need to eat, construction crews, and scientist....Sure. Because North Korea was going to prioritize food and oil for their citizens over development of nuclear weapons.Well...we are talking about MONEY....developing nukes requires money....food and fuel cost money.You realize we are talking about nuclear weapons, right?you don't think fuel, food etc isn't going to help?
Nuclear weapon development isn’t exactly dependent on whether people have snacks.
If I don't have to spend money on fuel, food or heating the population, I have more resouces to spend on something else...
I mean, do you know anything about North Korea?
blackhawk
Diamond Member
Yeah I’m sure North Korea found President Biden slowly reading from a notecard without looking up very intimidating.
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