Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nope….anyone who likens Israel to the SS is antisemitic, in accordance with the accepted definition.

There are similarities though, why pretend there aren't?

If you want to spew your Jew-hating lies, don’t then demand for decent people to say it’s not antisemitic. You will be called out.

Lies, oh yes like the lies about Zionist Jews using biological warfare against Palestinians in 1948? that's a lie is it? The Nazis also poisoned their victims, so right there is another similarity - Zionism and Nazism resorted to biological weapons as part of their political goals.

Now if that's being "antisemitic" then its also being teutophobic, so is it wrong to accuse Nazis of using chemical weapons?

Jews are people, some are good and some are evil, some are as evil as Heydrich was, evil is evil and knows no racial boundaries, don't be fooled, being born a "Jew" does not guarantee you won't be evil, just look at the rag tag bunch of racist slobs that permeate the Knesset.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I take over your house, and make you live in the unheated garage, are you really going to be grateful to me if I let you keep the garage?

Do you know what lies under the Al-Aqsa mosque?

 

[Billo_Really]

There is NO genocide, you antisemite. And yes, you ARE an antisemite by peddling the lie.

45,000 Palestinians say you're fucking full of shit!

 

[Billo_Really]

Indeed, you Islamist goat suckers are the filth of history.

And you just make up enemies as you go along.

 

[Billo_Really]

A really terrible awful war is happening, caused entirely by Hamas. It does not in any way meet the threshold for genocide.

45,000 people are dead! How is that not genocide?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

45,000 people are dead! How is that not genocide?

Why aren't 450,000 dead? Or one million?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The genocide carried out by the Nazis is the gold standard Zionists use as their benchmark. The insinuation is that unless it mimics the numbers, rates and techniques of the Nazis then it's not really genocide and so therefore Israel is not committing genocide.

But the history of the term "genocide" is important here, the term was coined before the Nazis mass extermination campaigns became known to the world at large. It was a Jew - Raphael Lemkin, who created the word, here's his definition:

"The destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" in which its members were not targeted as individuals, but rather as members of the group. The objectives of genocide "would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups".

I think any sensible mind will agree, the things taking place in Gaza tally with Lemkin's definition, we can see too that Genocide has been under way in one form or another decades before the recent Oct 7th reprisals carried out by the Zionist regime.

 

[Billo_Really]

Why aren't 450,000 dead? Or one million?

Because the Israeli's only have 5 El Camino's.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just like the Nazis, press freedom cannot be tolerated in the "modern" Israel with it's "democratic" institutions, they don't want the public to know what they're up to in the West Bank. The Israelis are often paranoid, evil tends to be like that.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

We are talking about two different things. But as far as the 99.5%, yes….that is the percentage of Gazans who are still alive after a year of war. That, combined with the knowledge that Israel could kill all of them within a week, is evidence that this is not a genocide.

And anyone saying it is is an antisemite, or in a small percentage of cases, just ignorant.

So if I said that after WW2 almost 70% of Jews were "still alive", would that mean there was not actually a genocide? How could it be a genocide if only 30% of Jews were exterminated?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't know about you, but I don't bookmark every article or video I've ever come across that contradicts the official version of events. Apparently I should have done that.... but I'm starting to get the feeling that no matter what I share, you'd probably find a way to deny it or explain it away.

There's just WAY too much stuff to get into. Starting from the creation of "Hamas" itself. But I will share a short clip on that. Again, direct quotes from those in the know....


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Here, in case anyone is interested, this is a large collection of sources that I have accumulated since Oct 7th that relate to Israel's crimes in one way or another:

Thomas Suárez

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

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These are crimes against humanity – and the world must know.

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Meet the new Knesset members of the far-right Religious Zionism party

Several of the party's notorious MPs will likely get cabinet positions in the new Netanyahu-led government

www.middleeasteye.net

Visuals Archive - Visualizing Palestine

Hajo Meyer - Wikipedia

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Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated - Law for Palestine

Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated IMPORTANT: These aren’t the whole 500 statements in our collection. The page will be regularly updated, expanding sources until the entire database—including existing and new...

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Columbia faculty members walk out after pro-Palestinian protesters arrested

Source A huge crowd of faculty members who teach at Columbia University in New York held a mass walk-out on Monday afternoon to protest the institution having called police to arrest students at a...

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How was life in Gaza before October 7th? - Bliss

The war between Israel and Palestine has saturated the media with many views on the resulting effects. What about the state of things in Gaza prior to this violent conflict? In this blog, Irene Van Staveren — a professor of pluralist development economics at the International Institute of Social...

issblog.nl

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/2024-05/240520-panel-report-eng.pdf

Drug addiction in Gaza and the illicit trafficking of tramadol

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

When Paul Says "Israel" Does He Mean "The Jews"? Guest Post by Jason Staples | The Bart Ehrman Blog

Last week I posted the first of three interesting discussions by my erstwhile student Jason Staples, PhD in New Testament, currently teaching at North Carolina State University. Here is the second post, with an even more challenging thesis that runs counter to what scholars have long said, but...

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https://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoPoints/Gaza_526/index.html?scr=rootpg#Pictures

Palestinians aim to prove right of return with ancestral land titles

By creating a database of Palestinian land ownership, the Kushan Baladi initiative confronts Israel's claims over historic Palestine

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Plan Dalet - Wikipedia

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U.S. Poured Billions of Military Aid Into Lebanon. Now Israel Threatens to Invade.

The U.S. is warning Israel against launching all-out war on Hezbollah — while continuing to send Israel unconditional military aid.

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This Month in Physics History

APS Archives

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Cablegram from the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States to the Secretary-General of the United Nations - Wikisource, the free online library

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Real Names of Stolen Villages, Illegal Settlements of the Gaza Perimeter

Palestine Square

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https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/publications/AttacksonSchoolsHospitals.pdf

Zochrot - Who, Why and How

We are a part of a generation breaking free from dated notions of Jewish and white supremacy, learning that true peace can only be achieved through mechanisms of justice. We call for acknowledgement and responsibility for the crimes of 1948, support for the right of return and a commitment to...

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Jewish_-_Zionist_terrorism_and_the_establishment_of_Israel._%28IA_jewishzionistter00peek%29.pdf

towardcommonarchive

A media exhibition in collaboration between the NGO Zochrot and the ongoing research project "A common archive, 1948 Palestine" by Filmmaker Eyal Sivan (School of Arts and Digital Industries, University of East London) and Professor Ilan Pappe (European Centre for Palestine Studies, University...

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International Solidarity Movement

ISM is a Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles.

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Leftists are VERY upset that Israel just killed a bunch of Hezbollah terrorists

Chop Sue-y

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[Shusha]

Yes anyone who says anything against Israeli war crimes is a antisemite, got it.

But you haven't SAID anything about Israel's actions in the war, nor given any evidence for your accusations. You have just flung mud around.

 

[Shusha]

45,000 people are dead! How is that not genocide?

Because there is no intent to destroy a group of people based on their racial, ethnic, religious, or national identity. There is only the intent to return the hostages, destroy Hamas' military infrastructure, and dismantle Hamas' ability to repeat the October 7 invasion. As I've been saying, the threshold for genocide is not in numbers or percentages -- it is intent.

 

[Shusha]

The genocide carried out by the Nazis is the gold standard Zionists use as their benchmark. The insinuation is that unless it mimics the numbers, rates and techniques of the Nazis then it's not really genocide and so therefore Israel is not committing genocide.

Only if you entirely ignore everything the "Zionists" actually say on this thread and others, and put words in our mouths. What we are actually doing is differentiating a war (a just and necessary war) and a genocide.

I think any sensible mind will agree, the things taking place in Gaza tally with Lemkin's definition, we can see too that Genocide has been under way in one form or another decades before the recent Oct 7th reprisals carried out by the Zionist regime.

Another inversion of the truth. Israel's actions in Gaza are demonstrably NOT attempting to destroy members of a national or ethnic group based solely on their membership in that group. Israel is demonstrably targeting Hamas and Hamas infrastructure.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Only if you entirely ignore everything the "Zionists" actually say on this thread and others, and put words in our mouths. What we are actually doing is differentiating a war (a just and necessary war) and a genocide.

Another inversion of the truth. Israel's actions in Gaza are demonstrably NOT attempting to destroy members of a national or ethnic group based solely on their membership in that group. Israel is demonstrably targeting Hamas and Hamas infrastructure.

Only a deranged right wing nationalist can say that destroying Palestinian men, women and children, schools, hospitals, water pumps, journalists, ambulances, apartments, doctors and nurses, is not destroying.

Killing ten women and children while "targeting" one has the same outcome as targeting eleven people.

Let me ask you if a 10:1 casualty rate of civilians to terrorists is acceptable, is there an upper limit? if Israel killed 500 civilians in order to also kill 1 terrorist, would you say "Stop this is too much"? or do you simply not give a f*ck how many people the Israelis kill?

 

[Deadstick]

But you haven't SAID anything about Israel's actions in the war, nor given any evidence for your accusations. You have just flung mud around.

What mud? i have called Israel out for it's war crimes in Gaza the West bank and Lebanon.

 

[Shusha]

Only a deranged right wing nationalist can say that destroying Palestinian men, women and children, schools, hospitals, water pumps, journalists, ambulances, apartments, doctors and nurses, is not destroying.

Can you read? Israel is absolutely destroying Hamas and Hamas infrastructure. Israel is demonstrably NOT intentionally destroying a national group. Don't twist my words. If you have to twist my words in order to produce an argument, it is only proof that you have no argument.

Let me ask you if a 10:1 casualty rate of civilians to terrorists is acceptable, is there an upper limit? if Israel killed 500 civilians in order to also kill 1 terrorist, would you say "Stop this is too much"?

Of course, there is a point where the proportional risk of harm to non-combatants is greater than the military advantage achieved. Of course, there is. That is WHY Israel goes to such lengths to gather accurate intelligence, to measure this risk, to apply a legal and moral assessment, and to only carry out a targeted attack when the proportionality is within acceptable limits. NO ONE HERE IS SAYING that Israel should ignore the IHL custom of proportionality and disregard the moral equation.

You are accusing us of immorality and evil intent based on your false perceptions of us, rather than on the evidence before you about what we actually say. That is the core of antisemitism. You imagine us as monsters, then force us to defend ourselves against your imaginary creation.

 

[Deadstick]

Only if you entirely ignore everything the "Zionists" actually say on this thread and others, and put words in our mouths. What we are actually doing is differentiating a war (a just and necessary war) and a genocide.

Another inversion of the truth. Israel's actions in Gaza are demonstrably NOT attempting to destroy members of a national or ethnic group based solely on their membership in that group. Israel is demonstrably targeting Hamas and Hamas infrastructure.

Right!! got it.

 

[Shusha]

What mud? i have called Israel out for it's war crimes in Gaza the West bank and Lebanon.

You accuse Israel of war crimes without discussion. It's an empty accusation. Just mud.

Edited to add: See? Look at the photo posted above. Just mud. Destroyed buildings are NOT evidence of genocide or war crimes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Can you read? Israel is absolutely destroying Hamas and Hamas infrastructure.

Yes but you are a liar, clearly an apologist, no matter who dies, no matter what is destroyed, you will always distort the truth to portray the actions just unavoidable consequences of "targeting Hamas".

Israel is demonstrably NOT intentionally destroying a national group. Don't twist my words. If you have to twist my words in order to produce an argument, it is only proof that you have no argument.

So what is it doing to them then?

Of course, there is a point where the proportional risk of harm to non-combatants is greater than the military advantage achieved. Of course, there is.

Anyone engaged in mass slaughter could also contrive justifications like that, it is word salad, that because I say I am acting legally then I am.

That is WHY Israel goes to such lengths to gather accurate intelligence, to measure this risk, to apply a legal and moral assessment, and to only carry out a targeted attack when the proportionality is within acceptable limits. NO ONE HERE IS SAYING that Israel should ignore the IHL custom of proportionality and disregard the moral equation.

Israel does none of those things, they are unleashed killers, if they had any competence at all in these matters then 1,000+ Israelis would not have died on Oct 7th, so don't pretend.

You are accusing us of immorality and evil intent based on your false perceptions of us, rather than on the evidence before you about what we actually say. That is the core of antisemitism. You imagine us as monsters, then force us to defend ourselves against your imaginary creation.

Most of the world is accusing Israel, not simply me.

What they "actually say" is no more relevant than what the Nazis on trial at Nuremberg said. The evidence includes the long list of UN resolutions that Israel refuses to comply with and the settler violence, the Human Rights organizations reports about apartheid, home demolitions, segregation, sniper incidents, killed journalists, huge numbers of amputees in Gaza and so on and so forth.

Justifying all of these things takes a lot of doing, the Zionists are very adept at lying but the scale of what's unfolding is far beyond having any reasonable ethical explanation, it is wanton mass murder.

Doing all of these things and much more too and then claiming that objections to this mass slaughter proves "antisemitism" only proves the depths to which Zionists have sunk. They are human filth, greedy, murderous, violent, racist, ruthless and it is sickening to then hear you play the victim card.