Action near China Act of War?

[Book of Jeremiah]

I wouldn't put it past Obama to start a war with China to prevent the Republicans (Trump) from winning the election. Martial law to prevent the elections from happening at all.

Why do you believe that Obama wants to start a war with China?

You didn't read the news reports that our ships are purposely patrolling within the 12 mile barrier China set on some disputed islands. Doing so is an act of war.

I did read about that. Thank you for clarifying what you are talking about. So you believe that if China claims air and sea rights within that 12 mile barrier the matter is settled? Even if it is a false claim?

A 12-Mile South China Sea Test

Oct. 8, 2015 7:56 p.m. ET


Senior American officials leaked word this week that the U.S. Navy will soon conduct freedom-of-navigation operations within 12 nautical miles of China’s newly built artificial islands in the South China Sea’s Spratly archipelago. This means the Administration may finally be willing to challenge Beijing’s baseless sovereignty claims in distant waters.

The caveat is that leaks from this Administration are unreliable signals of intent. Before Chinese leader Xi Jinping visited Washington last month, U.S. officials told...

 

[gipper]

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China warns U.S. warship in South China Sea - CNN.com

China seems to be building new military ports in areas previously recognized as "international". The provocation is on the part of the Chinese.

Agreed but the US actions are also provocative. Why provoke China?

Because that's simply not the way a nation "claims" territory.

They are trying to change the regional dynamic and many countries in that region have no wish to be dominated by China.

Who cares...none of our business. The US using a warship to provoke China is dumb and could lead to war...all over a stupid tiny island. Can't fix stupid.

it's actually over the resources beneath a bunch of those Islands, and China's claim to them is one of the more tenuous ones, compared to the claims of our friends in the region, like the Philippines.

Still not our business and no need to inflame it by using a warship.

 

[Sallow]

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China warns U.S. warship in South China Sea - CNN.com

China seems to be building new military ports in areas previously recognized as "international". The provocation is on the part of the Chinese.

Agreed but the US actions are also provocative. Why provoke China?

Because that's simply not the way a nation "claims" territory.

They are trying to change the regional dynamic and many countries in that region have no wish to be dominated by China.

Who cares...none of our business. The US using a warship to provoke China is dumb and could lead to war...all over a stupid tiny island. Can't fix stupid.

Well yeah, it is. We have alliances in the region. We also have an interest that none of those countries start developing nuclear weapons, which, would be the best deterrent to Chinese aggression.

 

[gipper]

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China warns U.S. warship in South China Sea - CNN.com

China seems to be building new military ports in areas previously recognized as "international". The provocation is on the part of the Chinese.

Agreed but the US actions are also provocative. Why provoke China?

Because that's simply not the way a nation "claims" territory.

They are trying to change the regional dynamic and many countries in that region have no wish to be dominated by China.

Who cares...none of our business. The US using a warship to provoke China is dumb and could lead to war...all over a stupid tiny island. Can't fix stupid.

Well yeah, it is. We have alliances in the region. We also have an interest that none of those countries start developing nuclear weapons, which, would be the best deterrent to Chinese aggression.

Oh BS.

One would think after all the failures, death, and destruction caused by US interventions, we would learn.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

 

[rightwinger]

I wouldn't put it past Obama to start a war with China to prevent the Republicans (Trump) from winning the election. Martial law to prevent the elections from happening at all.

Wish you guys would make up your mind

Is Obama getting pushed around by Putin and China or is he a war monger?

 

[gipper]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

 

[Iceweasel]

The US has a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines, once US territory. If attacked we are supposed to come to their rescue but obama has been vague on it thus far.

 

[jon_berzerk]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

now would be the time to do it

 

[Sallow]

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China warns U.S. warship in South China Sea - CNN.com

China seems to be building new military ports in areas previously recognized as "international". The provocation is on the part of the Chinese.

Agreed but the US actions are also provocative. Why provoke China?

Because that's simply not the way a nation "claims" territory.

They are trying to change the regional dynamic and many countries in that region have no wish to be dominated by China.

Who cares...none of our business. The US using a warship to provoke China is dumb and could lead to war...all over a stupid tiny island. Can't fix stupid.

Well yeah, it is. We have alliances in the region. We also have an interest that none of those countries start developing nuclear weapons, which, would be the best deterrent to Chinese aggression.

Oh BS.

One would think after all the failures, death, and destruction caused by US interventions, we would learn.

This is a different situation entirely.

Most of the countries asking for our help, are completely independent, stable and flourishing.

We are heavily involved in actual trade in the region which is beneficial to all parties.

Even countries like Vietnam are fighting tool and nail against Chinese domination.

We have built alliances and it is our and the world's interest that we honor those.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

I'm not trying to inflame anyone's passions.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

now would be the time to do it

Yes, Jon, I believe China does see this as an opportune time.

 

[Sallow]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

Actually, it's not "bullshit".

China considers Taiwan a "wayward" province.

They don't recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

I had to deal with that first hand when I went to get a Chinese visa for my Girlfriend who was born in Taiwan.

They got very angry when they saw that.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I wouldn't put it past Obama to start a war with China to prevent the Republicans (Trump) from winning the election. Martial law to prevent the elections from happening at all.

Wish you guys would make up your mind

Is Obama getting pushed around by Putin and China or is he a war monger?

I believe a Republican President would respond the same way, R.W.. They would protect Taiwan. There is nothing unusual happening. Imo.

 

[gipper]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

Actually, it's not "bullshit".

China considers Taiwan a "wayward" province.

They don't recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

I had to deal with that first hand when I went to get a Chinese visa for my Girlfriend who was born in Taiwan.

They got very angry when they saw that.

This shit about Taiwan has been said for decades...since at least Jimma Carter, if not before. Do you really think if China really wanted Taiwan, they would not have taken it by now?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

Actually, it's not "bullshit".

China considers Taiwan a "wayward" province.

They don't recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

I had to deal with that first hand when I went to get a Chinese visa for my Girlfriend who was born in Taiwan.

They got very angry when they saw that.

You're right.

 

[gipper]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

I'm not trying to inflame anyone's passions.

But you did, with the silly statement China wants to invade Taiwan.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

I'm not trying to inflame anyone's passions.

But you did, with the silly statement China wants to invade Taiwan.

They do and it is a serious situation, Gipper. Nothing silly about it.

It's an interesting thread. Thanks for the discussion. I've got to go.

 

[gipper]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

I'm not trying to inflame anyone's passions.

But you did, with the silly statement China wants to invade Taiwan.

They do and it is a serious situation, Gipper. Nothing silly about it.

Oh please...if China wanted Taiwan they would have taken it by now.

Must America kill and die everywhere around the world? Send your children or grandchildren to die for nothing but empowering the State and enriching the military industrial complex....okay?

Apparently some Americans NEVER learn? The power elite love you.

 

[Sallow]

China wants to control the natural resources under the ocean bed and the shipping lanes in the area.

Can't let it happen.

China wants to invade Taiwan and bring it back under their control. That is why China built the artificial islands and put military bases there.

Bull shit!

But we must inflame passions so that we can have lots of wars. When will you ever learn?

Actually, it's not "bullshit".

China considers Taiwan a "wayward" province.

They don't recognize Taiwan as a separate country.

I had to deal with that first hand when I went to get a Chinese visa for my Girlfriend who was born in Taiwan.

They got very angry when they saw that.

This shit about Taiwan has been said for decades...since at least Jimma Carter, if not before. Do you really think if China really wanted Taiwan, they would not have taken it by now?

They waited decades to get Hong Kong back.

It's a pretty serious thing. Ultimately, China wants Taiwan back in the fold, they want to do it peacefully..but they want Taiwan.