Active shooter in Pittsburgh, PA.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sounds very similar to "Jews will not own us"....wonder who was saying that one.......

Fringe white supremacists with no mainstream support.

Another of Trump's "very fine people".

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

So if I believe Confederate statues shouldn't be taken down, I'm not a fine person?

Not if you marched with the supremacists.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Another of Trump's "very fine people".

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

TRUMP was referring to good people on both sides of the debate on historical statues. Of course the left skipped the debate and went straight to tearing down and destroying statues.

This post is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right: the failed effort to defend the indefensible, and Trump’s refusal to condemn rightwing bigotry and racism.

 

[boedicca]

So, are all the lefties who blame trump for Sayoc's mail bombs going to blame the Dem leadership for this guy?

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Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

Wrong.

The ‘classic liberal’ nonsense is just that, nonsense.

And you’re just as ignorant as you are wrong: the NSDAP was on the right side of the political spectrum, a fascist political party, an aggressive opponent of liberal Western democracies, having nothing whatsoever with ‘socialism.’

What an ignoramus you are. Democrats have thoroughly repudiated the principles of Classical Liberalism and replaced them with authoritarian-statism, while tainting the term liberal. That's why Classical is added to distinguish it from leftwing socialist blather.

"Classical liberalism" is the term used to designate the ideology advocating private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law, constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion and of the press, and international peace based on free trade. Up until around 1900, this ideology was generally known simply as liberalism. The qualifying "classical" is now usually necessary, in English-speaking countries at least (but not, for instance, in France), because liberalism has come to be associated with wide-ranging interferences with private property and the market on behalf of egalitarian goals. This version of liberalism — if such it can still be called — is sometimes designated as "social," or (erroneously) "modern" or the "new," liberalism. Here we shall use liberalism to signify the classical variety....

"Classical liberalism" is the term used to designate the ideology advocating private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law, constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion and of the press, and international peace based on free trade. Up until around 1900, this ideology was generally known simply as liberalism. The qualifying "classical" is now usually necessary, in English-speaking countries at least (but not, for instance, in France), because liberalism has come to be associated with wide-ranging interferences with private property and the market on behalf of egalitarian goals. This version of liberalism — if such it can still be called — is sometimes designated as "social," or (erroneously) "modern" or the "new," liberalism. Here we shall use liberalism to signify the classical variety.

 

[LilOlLady]

These shooters are never liberals. They are always wacko radical right-wing fundamentalist. Full of racism and hate for anyone different than themselves. And Trump incites them with his name calling and racist innuendos.
Dumba## want to put the blame on everything that happens on his watch on someone who is no longer in office.
Now he wants stiffer death penalties? People who commit these crimes subject to the death penalty do not give a s#$@ about the death penalty. This man is so out of touch it is pathetic.

 

[Mindful]

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basuc anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Thanks a lot.

Very helpful.

 

[Correll]

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

TRUMP was referring to good people on both sides of the debate on historical statues. Of course the left skipped the debate and went straight to tearing down and destroying statues.

This post is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right: the failed effort to defend the indefensible, and Trump’s refusal to condemn rightwing bigotry and racism.

He repeatedly condemned the white supremacists in that speech, the vile media lied about that too.



Do you want a full transcript?

 

[mdk]

Not to interrupt the finger pointing and general idiocy: it was just reported that the injuries of the police offfiers whom were shot are not life threatening. Some good news in this dreadful story.

 

[LilOlLady]

Liberal mob out of control again?

Or is that "yet"?

Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including Islamophobia, anti-communism, neo-fascism and neo-Nazism. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation. Modern radical right-wing terrorism first appeared in Western Europe in the 1970s and it first appeared in Eastern Europe following the dissolution of the Soviet Union

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Is the dude of German heritage ?

 

[miketx]

Yes we have way too many guns and weak gun laws.

And yet again, you’re focusing on the symptom, not the actual problem.

The number of guns in a society is irrelevant if that society is not predisposed to violence and condones violence as a means of conflict resolution.

If you want to affect real change, address America’s obsession with violence.

Yeah, like rounding up democrats responsible for starting it all.

Yeah, like rounding up democrats responsible for starting it all.

^The exact kind of RW lunatic that would perpetrate such an act.

You filth started it all, you deserve what you get.

Don't you have windows to decorate?
Trump wants every window covered on every van.

Yeah already got done. Just waiting for the democrats to tell me who to go after.

 

[Mindful]

Liberal mob out of control again?

Or is that "yet"?

Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including Islamophobia, anti-communism, neo-fascism and neo-Nazism. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation. Modern radical right-wing terrorism first appeared in Western Europe in the 1970s and it first appeared in Eastern Europe following the dissolution of the Soviet Union

Oh really?

The Baader Meinhof Gang which terrorised Germany from the late 1960's onwards, was left wing.

 

[OldLady]

Thanks gun culture:

8 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Police from across the city of Pittsburgh responding to an active shooting situation at the The Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill.

KDKA’s Andy Sheehan reports that at eight people have been confirmed dead. Other have been shot but we don’t know the extent of their injuries.

Meanwhile in countries with strong gun control, mass shootings are very rare.

So why were there so few mass-shootings before the 21st century?

IMO, isolation is a probable culprit people moved out to developments in semi rural areas in the 1990's isolating kids & video games & cell phone made matters worse for socialization.

You think gun crime doesn't happen in other countries?

They like to pretend it doesn't.

Mass shootings aren't a gun issue it's a mental health issue.

I just happen to think isolation makes mental healtg issues a lot worse.

A mix of rural isolation, video games & cell phones make people alienated fron the real World.

I know I feel much better since moving to Pawling which has a sense of a friendly community vs Putnam Lake which was unfriendly & isolated.

This is NOT a mental health issue situation. It is plain old bigoted hate.
You can argue that no one in their right mind would open fire on a group of folks in temple, but you would be wrong. He wanted them to die.

So hateful racists just can't be mentally ill?

Go talk to a psychologist about that idea.

The first and easiest argument that the gun nutters make is "mental health issue, not gun issue." That is true in some cases. It was not the case when the guy runs into a synagogue during services hollering "All Jews Must Die" and commences firing. That's plain old hate, all ginned up with America's love affair with owning guns and shooting people.

 

[Mindful]

Is the dude of German heritage ?

Germans have gone the totally opposite way.

 

[miketx]

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

TRUMP was referring to good people on both sides of the debate on historical statues. Of course the left skipped the debate and went straight to tearing down and destroying statues.

This post is yet another manifestation of the reprehensible right: the failed effort to defend the indefensible, and Trump’s refusal to condemn rightwing bigotry and racism.

He has condemned it many times. You are an enemy of the state.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Liberal mob out of control again?

Or is that "yet"?

Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including Islamophobia, anti-communism, neo-fascism and neo-Nazism. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation. Modern radical right-wing terrorism first appeared in Western Europe in the 1970s and it first appeared in Eastern Europe following the dissolution of the Soviet Union

Sure, this shooting is bad Neo-Nazi terrorism, presumably.

Not all of these so called anti-Communist so called terrorists were truly such.

Take the Polish cursed soldiers conpletely justified self defense in targeting Soviet government targets, but some would call then terrorists.

 

[bodecea]

Sounds very similar to "Jews will not own us"....wonder who was saying that one.......

Fringe white supremacists with no mainstream support.

Another of Trump's "very fine people".

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

So if I believe Confederate statues shouldn't be taken down, I'm not a fine person?

You can believe all you want.......is there one in your town/county? Are you working LEGALLY to have it kept up?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So, are all the lefties who blame trump for Sayoc's mail bombs going to blame the Dem leadership for this guy?

View attachment 225156

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

 

[Mindful]

So why were there so few mass-shootings before the 21st century?

IMO, isolation is a probable culprit people moved out to developments in semi rural areas in the 1990's isolating kids & video games & cell phone made matters worse for socialization.

You think gun crime doesn't happen in other countries?

They like to pretend it doesn't.

Mass shootings aren't a gun issue it's a mental health issue.

I just happen to think isolation makes mental healtg issues a lot worse.

A mix of rural isolation, video games & cell phones make people alienated fron the real World.

I know I feel much better since moving to Pawling which has a sense of a friendly community vs Putnam Lake which was unfriendly & isolated.

This is NOT a mental health issue situation. It is plain old bigoted hate.
You can argue that no one in their right mind would open fire on a group of folks in temple, but you would be wrong. He wanted them to die.

So hateful racists just can't be mentally ill?

Go talk to a psychologist about that idea.

The first and easiest argument that the gun nutters make is "mental health issue, not gun issue." That is true in some cases. It was not the case when the guy runs into a synagogue during services hollering "All Jews Must Die" and commences firing. That's plain old hate, all ginned up with America's love affair with owning guns and shooting people.

Don't need guns to kill Jews.

An elderly lady living in the South of France, a Holocaust survivor, was tortured to death in her own apartment. By Moslem Arabs.

OTOH, an elderly Catholic priest was stabbed to death at the alter of his church in northern France. Also by Moslem Arabs.

If the blood lust is there, the weapon is immaterial.

 

[Hellokitty]

Nope. He specifically stated they were NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to.


The media lied to you about what he said. Does that bother you?

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

TRUMP was referring to good people on both sides of the debate on historical statues. Of course the left skipped the debate and went straight to tearing down and destroying statues.

You know that the Charlottesville city council VOTED to remove the statue. You have a problem with a legal process, apparently....and support mob violence. Not surprising. The Right is notorious for accusing the Left of what it is they are actually doing.

Yes I know that just like Congress voted to appoint Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS...