Active shooter in Pittsburgh, PA.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

 

[2aguy]

So why were there so few mass-shootings before the 21st century?

IMO, isolation is a probable culprit people moved out to developments in semi rural areas in the 1990's isolating kids & video games & cell phone made matters worse for socialization.

You think gun crime doesn't happen in other countries?

They like to pretend it doesn't.

Mass shootings aren't a gun issue it's a mental health issue.

I just happen to think isolation makes mental healtg issues a lot worse.

A mix of rural isolation, video games & cell phones make people alienated fron the real World.

I know I feel much better since moving to Pawling which has a sense of a friendly community vs Putnam Lake which was unfriendly & isolated.

This is NOT a mental health issue situation. It is plain old bigoted hate.
You can argue that no one in their right mind would open fire on a group of folks in temple, but you would be wrong. He wanted them to die.

So hateful racists just can't be mentally ill?

Go talk to a psychologist about that idea.

The first and easiest argument that the gun nutters make is "mental health issue, not gun issue." That is true in some cases. It was not the case when the guy runs into a synagogue during services hollering "All Jews Must Die" and commences firing. That's plain old hate, all ginned up with America's love affair with owning guns and shooting people.

Considering how rare these mass shootings are compared to the number of normal Americans who own legal guns, you have no idea what you are talking about....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop attacks like this along with rapes, robberies and murders....with close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense, you are going to have to do a lot better at finding these attacks before they even start to define anything in this country...

 

[2aguy]

So, are all the lefties who blame trump for Sayoc's mail bombs going to blame the Dem leadership for this guy?

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Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

 

[Vastator]

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, are all the lefties who blame trump for Sayoc's mail bombs going to blame the Dem leadership for this guy?

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Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Not by classical definitions.

All Nazis are basically Right wingers some more than others.

This shooter would be classed as a Right Winger.
As much as I hate to admit it.

The first Left wingers were Capitalists for more freedom + rights & the first Right wingers were Monarchists for authoritarian traditional values.

 

[boedicca]

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

I'm not lying at all....but I certainly seem to have struck a nerve with you.....here's your peeps:

No. I do not believe in guilt by association. They are not my peeps.

These, however, are yours:

 

[2aguy]

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Not by classical definitions.

All Nazis are basically Right wingers some more than others.

This shooter would be classed as a Right Winger.
As much as I hate to admit it.

The first Left wingers were Capitalists for more freedom + rights & the first Right wingers were Monarchists for authoritarian traditional values.

Wrong...as far as American politics is concerned the national socialists are left wing...not Right Wing...you are mixing up european definitions with American definitions....that is how American left wingers lie about American Conservatives.

 

[boedicca]

Media lied?
You mean the video of Trump saying there were "very fine people on both sides" was not real?

There is no such thing as a very fine white supremacist, loser.

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You all realize that but for a precious few members... The KKK is all but extinct?

The KKK is a museum piece artifact of our culture. The oppression of blacks, however, is alive in well among the Dem-Progs.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But government DID solve & end this mass shooting& government DID solve & end the Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also some others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suck.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

 

[2aguy]

Is it true that this guy was rabidly anti-Trump....considering how Trump supports Israel, has a Jewish Daughter and is close personal friends with the Prime Minister of Israel...it wouldn't surprise me...since the democrat party is also rabidly anti-Israel....

 

[2aguy]

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

 

[2aguy]

You are a LAIR. Totalitarianism has been de rigueur among the power hungry throughout human history. The packaging may change, but the desire to control and profit from others persists. The Dems are the consumer brand in our era.

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But government DID solve & end this mass shooting& government DID solve & end the Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also some others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suck.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

The Government made the situation worse, by allowing for gun free zones....so that the killer had more than enough time to commit murder before guns finally arrived to stop him....

People..... if you can legally carry a gun, you should...because bad things happen to good people...

 

[2aguy]

So....from CNN....according to the report...the Synagogue would have armed police security only on High Holy days.....so this guy targeted them on a day where they did not have armed police security.....because he wasn't looking for a gun fight, he was looking to murder unarmed people....

Pittsburgh synagogue shooting: Suspect identified; multiple deaths reported - CNN

"On a day like today, the door is open," Eisenberg told a reporter for CNN affiliate KDKA. "It's a religious service. You could walk in and out. Only on the high holidays is there a police presence at the entrance."

 

[miketx]

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

Bullshit, you'd lie to a fence post.

Again...no one here will be surprised when you make the news some day.

But here is what may happen because of liberal scum like you:

The America hating liberals have created this environment with their repeated calls for violence and unrest. What has happened is what always happened when bullies keep attacking people. They get pissed and attack, taking it back to those they see as causing the situation. I fear it will only get worse because I am certain lib scum will not back down nor will it's media allies who daily attack the president. I look for it to get worse and worse perhaps culminating in martial law being declared days before or after the elections.

 

[2aguy]

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

Bullshit, you'd lie to a fence post.

Again...no one here will be surprised when you make the news some day.

But here is what may happen because of liberal scum like you:

The America hating liberals have created this environment with their repeated calls for violence and unrest. What has happened is what always happened when bullies keep attacking people. They get pissed and attack, taking it back to those they see and causing the situation. I fear it will only get worse because I am certain lib scum will not back down nor will it's media allies who daily attack the president. I look for it to get worse and worse perhaps culminating in martial law being declared days before or after the elections.

And the democrats in the media cover for the violent democrats, and lie about the Republicans...creating more and more anger at the injustice of the democrats against the Republicans....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

ANd that is what he said, if you actually watched the full unedited tape.


He specifically said, that he was NOT referring to the white supremacists with his "fine people" comment.


He specified that multiple times for the vile media, and they still lied to you.

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You all realize that but for a precious few members... The KKK is all but extinct?

The KKK is a museum piece artifact of our culture. The oppression of blacks, however, is alive in well among the Dem-Progs.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Not by classical definitions.

All Nazis are basically Right wingers some more than others.

This shooter would be classed as a Right Winger.
As much as I hate to admit it.

The first Left wingers were Capitalists for more freedom + rights & the first Right wingers were Monarchists for authoritarian traditional values.

Wrong...as far as American politics is concerned the national socialists are left wing...not Right Wing...you are mixing up european definitions with American definitions....that is how American left wingers lie about American Conservatives.

This shooter was a Socially Conservative & therefor a Right-Winger.

As if Socially Conservative values don't exist, eh?

Anyone supporting socially Conservative values is a Right Wing Conservative.

People who support Capitalism ARE LIBERALS.

A.) Market Liberalism is loosening up regulations.

B.) Capitalism sells out to Liberalism time & time again.

We more European minded people have a much better grasp politics then Hillbillies.

 

[Mindful]

So....from CNN....according to the report...the Synagogue would have armed police security only on High Holy days.....so this guy targeted them on a day where they did not have armed police security.....because he wasn't looking for a gun fight, he was looking to murder unarmed people....

Pittsburgh synagogue shooting: Suspect identified; multiple deaths reported - CNN

My Synagogue, in Central Europe, has police guard during all services and High Holy Days.

And two electronically operated doors into the entrance.

It seems, nothing much has changed.

 

[kiwiman127]

So, are all the lefties who blame trump for Sayoc's mail bombs going to blame the Dem leadership for this guy?

View attachment 225156

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

 

[Mindful]

One side was only white supremacists, dope.
They organized the event. Fine people don't march with supremacists.

The ultimate white supremacists, the KKK, are Democrats.

No longer. They were a few generations back. But it's amusing to see you live in the past like that.....it's what con-servatives do.

You all realize that but for a precious few members... The KKK is all but extinct?

The KKK is a museum piece artifact of our culture. The oppression of blacks, however, is alive in well among the Dem-Progs.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Not by classical definitions.

All Nazis are basically Right wingers some more than others.

This shooter would be classed as a Right Winger.
As much as I hate to admit it.

The first Left wingers were Capitalists for more freedom + rights & the first Right wingers were Monarchists for authoritarian traditional values.

Wrong...as far as American politics is concerned the national socialists are left wing...not Right Wing...you are mixing up european definitions with American definitions....that is how American left wingers lie about American Conservatives.

This shooter was a Socially Conservative & therefor a Right-Winger.

As if Socially Conservative values don't exist, eh?

Anyone supporting socially Conservative values is a Right Wing Cobservative.

People who support Capitalisn ARE LIBERALS.

A.) Market Liberalism is loosening up regulations.

B.) Capitalism sells out to Liberalism time & time again.

We more European minded people have a much better grasp politics then Hillbillies.

You think you're European minded?

What's wrong with being American?

 

[bodecea]

You think gun crime doesn't happen in other countries?

They like to pretend it doesn't.

Mass shootings aren't a gun issue it's a mental health issue.

I just happen to think isolation makes mental healtg issues a lot worse.

A mix of rural isolation, video games & cell phones make people alienated fron the real World.

I know I feel much better since moving to Pawling which has a sense of a friendly community vs Putnam Lake which was unfriendly & isolated.

This is NOT a mental health issue situation. It is plain old bigoted hate.
You can argue that no one in their right mind would open fire on a group of folks in temple, but you would be wrong. He wanted them to die.

So hateful racists just can't be mentally ill?

Go talk to a psychologist about that idea.

The first and easiest argument that the gun nutters make is "mental health issue, not gun issue." That is true in some cases. It was not the case when the guy runs into a synagogue during services hollering "All Jews Must Die" and commences firing. That's plain old hate, all ginned up with America's love affair with owning guns and shooting people.

Considering how rare these mass shootings are compared to the number of normal Americans who own legal guns, you have no idea what you are talking about....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop attacks like this along with rapes, robberies and murders....with close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense, you are going to have to do a lot better at finding these attacks before they even start to define anything in this country...

Rare? Anything under 10 dead earns hardly more than a local blimp on the news these days. That's called being COMMON.