Active shooter in Pittsburgh, PA.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But government DID solve & end this mass shooting& government DID solve & end the Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also some others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suck.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

The Government made the situation worse, by allowing for gun free zones....so that the killer had more than enough time to commit murder before guns finally arrived to stop him....

People..... if you can legally carry a gun, you should...because bad things happen to good people...

These shootings are scattered about regardless of state laws on guns,or gun ownership by state.

 

[2aguy]

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Yes...they were socialists.....lying about it won't change that truth....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitali

 

[2aguy]

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Tell that to the Nobel Prize winning economists who state that the nazis were socialists...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

11/11/2005George Reisman


My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Without government police there would be a lot more mass shootings like this.

We may very well have shootings everyday like this if not for governnent policing.

Big Government also ended the Holocaust.

I am not so sure big government even leads to much more if anymore genocide.


The British Empire Capitalists killed on every continent.

There's Rwanda & Wolyn Massacre which are more modern genocides in basic anarchy.

Then there were a ton of small government massacres & genocides before the Enlightenment.

Genghiz Khan killed as much as 1 in 4 people in this World & was a small government Nomad.

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying government made this shooting worse.

Of course without government the shooting prob would have lasted much longer.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

 

[boedicca]

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

That's exactly the spin the Progs and Leftists put on Nazism in order to distance themselves in the eyes of gullible people. In realityland, Nazism is a direct relation to the Prog-Socialism the Left promotes today.

 

[2aguy]

Horse shit! Government itself is the implied consent of use of force. What’s good for the goose; is good for the gander.

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

 

[Mindful]

I can't understand why these particular shootings have opened up the floodgates about Operation Barbarossa, Soviets(?) and the rest.

 

[miketx]

Mass shootings aren't a gun issue it's a mental health issue.

I just happen to think isolation makes mental healtg issues a lot worse.

A mix of rural isolation, video games & cell phones make people alienated fron the real World.

I know I feel much better since moving to Pawling which has a sense of a friendly community vs Putnam Lake which was unfriendly & isolated.

This is NOT a mental health issue situation. It is plain old bigoted hate.
You can argue that no one in their right mind would open fire on a group of folks in temple, but you would be wrong. He wanted them to die.

So hateful racists just can't be mentally ill?

Go talk to a psychologist about that idea.

The first and easiest argument that the gun nutters make is "mental health issue, not gun issue." That is true in some cases. It was not the case when the guy runs into a synagogue during services hollering "All Jews Must Die" and commences firing. That's plain old hate, all ginned up with America's love affair with owning guns and shooting people.

Considering how rare these mass shootings are compared to the number of normal Americans who own legal guns, you have no idea what you are talking about....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop attacks like this along with rapes, robberies and murders....with close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense, you are going to have to do a lot better at finding these attacks before they even start to define anything in this country...

Rare? Anything under 10 dead earns hardly more than a local blimp on the news these days. That's called being COMMON.

What is the death threshold where you are guaranteed climax?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

How do you stop mass shooters massacres like this, Abortion murders, drug dealer junkies & illegal immigrants WITHOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT FORCE?

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

 

[Mindful]

That’s a varying list. Worthy of multiple answers. Pegged to only one... I have to say personal responsibility....

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

This is getting too off topic.

But govetnment DID solve & end this mass shootings & government DID solve & end Sthe Holocaust mostly by Soviets but also sonw others.

The bottomline is Anarchy would suc.

What would stop McDonalds from massacring Wendys without the Police a government institution?

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

The government police stopped this massacre.

The Soviet government actions liberated Auschwitz.

Government is necessary.

 

[Mindful]

Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

The government police stopped this massacre.

The Soviet government actions liberated Auschwitz.

Government is necessary.

The soldiers decided that. As they came across things unimaginable, in human terms.

Same for the Americans. And the British.

 

[Windparadox]

The guns nuts are out here in force. They could care less at the loss of human life so long as gun rights are preserved.
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[Natural Citizen]

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

There is no evidence that ‘strong’ gun laws contribute to low homicide rates, just as there’s no evidence in support of the notion that more guns and private citizens carrying guns contribute to low homicide rates.

And the advocacy of more gun laws is as unrealistic as it is unwarranted.

Gun owners aren’t going to voluntarily start surrendering their guns, the current political climate won’t allow the implementation of laws authorizing the ‘confiscation’ of guns or more restrictive firearm regulatory measures; indeed, given the makeup of the current Supreme Court majority, even if such laws were enacted, they wouldn’t pass Constitutional muster.

''Take guns first, go through due process second.'' - President Trump.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The guns nuts are out here in force. They could care less at the loss of human life so long as gun rights are preserved.
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Individuals should not be expected to relinquish their constitutional liberties in the name of placating other people's fears. Ultimately other people's fears are unimportant. Speaking as a gun owner, other people's fears are none of my business.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Tell that to the Nobel Prize winning economists who state that the nazis were socialists...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

11/11/2005George Reisman


My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

These kind of shootings seem to never happen in Poland & neither do genocides happen like the Holocaust in Poland.

Yet, Poland was & still is far more Right-wing, Nationalist, Socialist & anti-Jewish than the US & just about all of Western Europe.

I happen to think that West of Poland are a collection of violent racial trash.

I just think you will always be going nuts shooting victims West of Poland regardless of government type.

 

[Mindful]

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Tell that to the Nobel Prize winning economists who state that the nazis were socialists...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman

11/11/2005George Reisman


My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

These kind of shootings seem to never happen in Poland & neither do genocides happen like the Holocaust in Poland.

Yet, Poland was & still is far more Right-wing, Nationalist, Socialist & anti-Jewish than the US & just about all of Western Europe.

I happen to think that West of Poland are a collection of violent racial trash.

I just think you will always be going nuts shooting victims West of Poland regardless of government type.

Poland is nice. Similar to the French. I've been there.

Maybe the obsession with the Virgin Mary restricts the genocide.

 

[2aguy]

The guns nuts are out here in force. They could care less at the loss of human life so long as gun rights are preserved.
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Well....since guns in the United States save more lives than they are used to take, that meme is wrong. In fact, it is the democrats who let violent killers out of jail that causes our gun murder rate...that is the truth.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.... criminals, released by democrats used their illegally acquired guns in 2017 to murder 10,982 people...and of those 70-80% of those victims were other criminals...

So other than putting up a meme that is innaccurate and wrong...what else do you have?

 

[kiwiman127]

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Yes...they were socialists.....lying about it won't change that truth....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitali

To you read what you post?
"A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capital"

And then there's this:
The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party
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Sorry, the Soviets only survived because of the United States...without us, they would be speaking German.....they got their equipment from us, and the pressure we put on the Germans kept the Germans from exploiting their intitial gains against the Soviets.....

Just as much as a full blown exaggeration as saying govetnment nade this shooring worse.

Not so much.

Soviets were producing far more tanks & aircraft.
They had much more forces.

The Nazi issue was they depended on Soviet resources for their war effort.

Therefor Operation Barbarossa was a terrible idiocy & terrible tragedy.

Wrong...the Soviets lost most of their stockpiles to the initial German invasion..having based much of their equipment close to their border for their invasion of Germany.... the Soviets also had initial mass defections to the Germans...before the people realized the socialist Germans were as murderous as the Soviet Socialists.....

If not for the U.S. the Germans would have conquered Russia...

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

The government police stopped this massacre.

The Soviet government actions liberated Auschwitz.

Government is necessary.

No one says government isn't necessary...

As to say the Soviets liberated Auschwitz as they murdered 25 million innocent people is sorta funny.....considering the slaughter they also engaged in as they moved into Germany and Poland...it was the Soviets who also murdered Polish citizens....