Active shooter in Pittsburgh, PA.

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Yes...they were socialists.....lying about it won't change that truth....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitali

To you read what you post?
"A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capital"

And then there's this:
The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party
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Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda
NazismSocialism

Yes...the tired argument that because the national socialists fought and defeated the international socialists, that means they aren' socialists....then explain to us how the MS-13 drug gang isn't really a drug gang because they fight and kill other members of the other drug gangs....please...we will wait right here for your answer.....

Rob Bowers, Hitler & Stalin are all Right Wing Conservatives.

The scales should be as followed.

Libertarian vs Authoritarian. AKA less vs more government.

Egalitarian vs Hierarchy. Meaning classless vs class.

Collectivist vs Individualist

Natiobalism vs Globalist.

Conservative vs Liberal. Meaning preservation of traditional values vs more rights.

Authoritarianism, Nationalism, Collectivism & Conservative values all tend to go hand & hand.

That's what Nazis did.

This shooter Robert Bowers is in fact a Right winger.

 

[2aguy]

The guy was a Jew hater. We have a plethora of those here at the USMB.

He also hated Trump..... I wonder if the democrats will accept the blame for this anti-Trump, anti-Israel killer?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Yes...they were socialists.....lying about it won't change that truth....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitali

To you read what you post?
"A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capital"

And then there's this:
The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party
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Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda
NazismSocialism

Yes...the tired argument that because the national socialists fought and defeated the international socialists, that means they aren' socialists....then explain to us how the MS-13 drug gang isn't really a drug gang because they fight and kill other members of the other drug gangs....please...we will wait right here for your answer.....

Rob Bowers, Hitler & Stalin are all Right Wing Conservatives.

The scales should be as followed.

Libertarian vs Authoritarian. AKA less vs more government.

Egalitarian vs Hierarchy. Meaning classless vs class.

Natiobalism vs Globalist.

Conservative vs Liberal. Meaning preservation of traditional values vs mote rights.

Authoritarianism, Nationalism & Conservative values all tend to go hand & hand.

That's what Nazis did.

This shooter Robert Bower is in fact a Right winger.

WRong.....socialists are not Right wing....they are left wing. The nazis wanted the government to control every aspect of society, the excact opposite of American Conservatives who want a limited and restricted government hemmed in by checks and balances and a separation of powers...individual Rights over collective Rights...not even close to the nazis, communists or any other flavor of socialism...

 

[Darkwind]

The guy was a Jew hater. We have a plethora of those here at the USMB.

He also hated Trump..... I wonder if the Democrats will accept the blame for this anti-Trump, anti-Israel killer?

Why would they? No one is to blame for this incident but the shooter.

However, it is telling that hate -- something perpetrated by the media and the left -- played a significant factor in this. And it's true that the majority of jew haters on this forum is leftwing. That might even translate to the country but I have nothing to prove that.

 

[Mindful]

The guy was a Jew hater. We have a plethora of those here at the USMB.

And I was thinking of moving to the US for freedom to be a Jew.

I guess it will have to be Israel.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Yes...they were socialists.....lying about it won't change that truth....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

By Friedrich August von Hayek Spring 1933

Hoover Institution, F. A. Hayek Papers, Box/Folder 105 : 10.

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitali

To you read what you post?
"A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capital"

And then there's this:
The Coining of “Privatization” and Germany’s National Socialist Party
An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda
NazismSocialism

Yes...the tired argument that because the national socialists fought and defeated the international socialists, that means they aren' socialists....then explain to us how the MS-13 drug gang isn't really a drug gang because they fight and kill other members of the other drug gangs....please...we will wait right here for your answer.....

Rob Bowers, Hitler & Stalin are all Right Wing Conservatives.

The scales should be as followed.

Libertarian vs Authoritarian. AKA less vs more government.

Egalitarian vs Hierarchy. Meaning classless vs class.

Natiobalism vs Globalist.

Conservative vs Liberal. Meaning preservation of traditional values vs mote rights.

Authoritarianism, Nationalism & Conservative values all tend to go hand & hand.

That's what Nazis did.

This shooter Robert Bower is in fact a Right winger.

WRong.....socialists are not Right wing....they are left wing. The nazis wanted the government to control every aspect of society, the excact opposite of American Conservatives who want a limited and restricted government hemmed in by checks and balances and a separation of powers...individual Rights over collective Rights...not even close to the nazis, communists or any other flavor of socialism...

I hate to break it to you, but the USA has no Right-Wing Conservative party ESPECIALLY NOT on a status quo level.

Bowers this shooter is a Real Right winger.

You are a Liberal Libertarian.

You aren't a Right winger.

 

[MindWars]

This is all happening right on time for those mid term elections

Press Brief of the Synagogue Shooting in PA

 

[bodecea]

MAGA, y'all.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Anti Trump and Anti Jew sounds like your typical Dimm.

They hate Israel.

 

[saveliberty]

^

How does one respond to that inbred nonsense

Sort of response we look back on after he commits a mass shooting.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Go make a Operation Barbarossa thread & I'll respond.

I am personally tired of getting banned for others off topic BS.

The bottomline is government stopped this massacre & government stopped the Holocaust.

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

The government police stopped this massacre.

The Soviet government actions liberated Auschwitz.

Government is necessary.

No one says government isn't necessary...

As to say the Soviets liberated Auschwitz as they murdered 25 million innocent people is sorta funny.....considering the slaughter they also engaged in as they moved into Germany and Poland...it was the Soviets who also murdered Polish citizens....

Total BS blaming Soviets for soldiers & civilians Nazis killed.

Now why do these massacres like the OP, happen?????

I don't think it's guns or lack of guns.

More along the lines of genetic trash who are mentally ill & or violent killing in these shootings.

Keep in mind about 8 - 9% of the USA is Ulster Irish with Ulster Irish having a very long & deep history of massacres.

Yes, only the White Europeans clustered around Poland have the perfect human genes.

.......you realize that crap is insane, right?

And makes you sound batcrap insane.

The Democrats blame Conservatives for this shooting & the Holocaust & then Republicans blame Socialists for this shooting & the Holocaust.

So why doesn't Poland which is infact both way more Socialist & way more Conservative have these shootings, or genocides?

Valid point, indeed.

Poland, Czechs & Hungarians have tried many government types with great results & a lack of violence.

Anglo-Saxons have also tried many government types each with terrible results & lots of violence.

It is NOT government or guns.

Some people are just genetic trash.

This Rob Bowers did what he did because of his DNA & blah, blah NOT government type or the environment,guns, or lack of guns.

People can be very violent & insane.

This Robert Bowers is one of them.

Anglo-Saxons AKA English & Germans do in fact have a monopoly on European genocides, serial killers & mass shooters

My guess is approx 80% of all European violence is by these Anglos & Saxons

 

[Darkwind]

The guy was a Jew hater. We have a plethora of those here at the USMB.

And I was thinking of moving to the US for freedom to be a Jew.

I guess it will have to be Israel.

I wouldn't let an isolated incident put you off. Believe it or not, America is nowhere near as violent as the left would have the world believe. Just stay out of the Democrat enclaves and you'll be just fine.

 

[mdk]

Bowers’ love of open borders and Muslims are clear signs he’s a Democrat.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Long behold Bowers is an Anglo- Saxon surname.

Is it really a coincidence that Roof, Paddock, Fields & numerous other violent predators including this Bowers shooter are of an Anglo surname?

I'm of Catholic mostly Polish & a little Irish Catholic.

Both sides had basically a consensus that Anglos & Saxons are violent predators who caused both sides much suffering.

 

[mdk]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yep. Anti-semites are liberal.

Leftists are not liberals in the classical sense of the word.

The National SOCIALIST Party killed millions of jews.

And take a look at the anti-semitism on the left in the U.S. these days, bub.

The National Socialist Party was as socialist as the People's Republic of China is a republic.

Correct.

In Germany National Socialism was a fascist movement – rightist, reactionary, fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

National Socialists sought to return Germany to an idealized past of Teutonic imperial glory.

When the NSDAP gained control of the German government in 1933, it established an authoritarian regime dedicated to the destruction of diversity and dissent, fighting to resist change.

Indeed, after Hitler consolidated his power by murdering Ernst Roehm and destroying the SA, among the first victims of the Nazi regime were liberals, democrats, and others who opposed fascism and Hitler’s rise to power.

Today we see that same rightist reactionaryism fearful of, and hostile toward, change, diversity, and dissent.

Wrong....nazism is a type of socialism, therefore left wing, not Right wing...as far As American conservatism goes... the party of hate, violence and racism is the democrat party, a left wing, socialist party that uses race and hate to gain power....that you can't see that shows you are not very observant of truth and realilty.

Wong, the Nazi's were not socialist. They used the term "Socialist" to attract the working class, but in the end,,,,,:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
Nazi Party | Definition, Meaning, History, & Facts
And again, 2aguy shows his ignorance.

Correct.

Hitler misappropriated the term ‘socialist’ in an effort to make the NSDAP more appealing to more segments of the German population:

“Hitler and the Nazi party, like other fascist movements, had a populist political style which means their propaganda relied on phrases and appeals that had a certain popularity with the disaffected. In Germany Socialism had acquired a lot of popularity within the masses of ordinary people by World War 1. Hitler and his group adopted some of the language of Socialism and popular programmatic points in their drive for power. However, they defined Socialism as state power, and the primacy of the collective-nation. This is not how the traditional Socialist movement defined Socialism. The traditional Socialist movement defined Socialism as democratic social ownership – usually under the control of the workers. By this definition Hitler and the Nazis were not Socialists. It should also be noted that once in power the Nazi party ignored many of the politically left elements of their original program, and in 1934 the Nazi party purged its party of those identifying as left wing.”

https://resistinghate.org/why-national-socialism-was-not-socialism/

The NSDAP (Nazi Party) was at odds with ‘socialism,’ and sought to destroy it:

‘Despite what the name might suggest, “National Socialism arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both international socialism and the free market capitalism.” In other words, the term Nazi was an attempt to redefine socialism rather than identify with socialism. For good measure, consider that in 1933 Nazis held a book burning in which they burned “works authored by Jewish, communist, pacifist, socialist, anarchist and classic liberals.” An ideology akin to socialism or communism would not burn books authored by socialists and communists.’

https://medium.com/the-sensible-soapbox/fascism-and-the-political-spectrum-2c1d7638e27a

Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 with the intent of destroying communism and the socialist state, the ultimate manifestation of the Nazi’s contempt for socialism and hatred of socialists.

 

[caddo kid]

Eleven dead in mass shooting at synagogue in Squirrel Hill section of Pittsburgh

Eleven people were dead after a shooting Saturday morning at a Pittsburgh synagogue, and six were injured, including four law-enforcement members, according to municipal, state and federal officials who appeared at a late-afternoon news conference. No children were among the dead.

The suspect, identified by law enforcement and local media as 46-year-old Pittsburgh resident Robert Bowers, was also injured.

Bowers, whom officials revealed at the news conference was previously unknown to law enforcement, was said to have posted numerous messages of racial hatred on social media, including one as recently as Saturday morning, the Jewish sabbath, saying, in part: “Screw your optics. I’m going in.”

In addition to his antisemitic postings, including some on GAB, reputedly a favorite of the alt-right, Bowers posted on GAB, “There is no MAGA as long as there is a Jewish infestation.”

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Well, there you have it America; another HATE FILLED white Trump supporter gone nutz.

I guess Trump is gonna blow this one off just like he did with the GOP MAGA bomber this week.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The guy was a Jew hater. We have a plethora of those here at the USMB.

I've ONLY seen genocide references towards Muslims on this forum & never against Jews.

With that said this is wrong & Bowers is an idiot to do this shooting.

That however doesn't mean the opposite hasn't happened.

The Jewish Defense League have targeted Muslims & Fascists
Which is also wrong especially Baruch Goldstein.

 

[Brain357]

What government? By that stage, the Germans had run out of Jews to kill, and had turned on their own.

The government police stopped this massacre.

The Soviet government actions liberated Auschwitz.

Government is necessary.

No one says government isn't necessary...

As to say the Soviets liberated Auschwitz as they murdered 25 million innocent people is sorta funny.....considering the slaughter they also engaged in as they moved into Germany and Poland...it was the Soviets who also murdered Polish citizens....

Total BS blaming Soviets for soldiers & civilians Nazis killed.

Now why do these massacres like the OP, happen?????

I don't think it's guns or lack of guns.

More along the lines of genetic trash who are mentally ill & or violent killing in these shootings.

Keep in mind about 8 - 9% of the USA is Ulster Irish with Ulster Irish having a very long & deep history of massacres.

Yes, only the White Europeans clustered around Poland have the perfect human genes.

.......you realize that crap is insane, right?

And makes you sound batcrap insane.

The Democrats blame Conservatives for this shooting & the Holocaust & then Republicans blame Socialists for this shooting & the Holocaust.

So why doesn't Poland which is infact both way more Socialist & way more Conservative have these shootings, or genocides?

Valid point, indeed.

Poland, Czechs & Hungarians have tried many government types with great results & a lack of violence.

Anglo-Saxons have also tried many government types each with terrible results & lots of violence.

It is NOT government or guns.

Some people are just genetic trash.

This Rob Bowers did what he did because of his DNA & blah, blah NOT government type or the environment,guns, or lack of guns.

People can be very violent & insane.

This Robert Bowers is one of them.

Anglo-Saxons AKA English & Germans do in fact have a monopoly on European genocides, serial killers & mass shooters

My guess is approx 80% of all European violence is by these Anglos & Saxons

Poland has a very low gun ownership rate. 2.5
Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Anti Trump and Anti Jew sounds like your typical Dimm.

They hate Israel.

A.) I'm anti-Jewish, and did admit this massacre is wrong.

B.) Vastador DID NOT support the massacre here by Bowers, despite our anti-Jewish views.

C.) When far more Palestinians were killed in a massacre months back, WE SAW BASICALLY NOT ONE damn Neocon express grief, even when children were killed, BASICALLY SOME went so far to say that MORE shall be killed, or it WAS JUSTIFIED.

Personally, I think it's kind of BS, that anti-Jews are such savages, but anti-Muslims are somehow the face of JUSTICE.

So, Absolutely I'm not going to sit here, and pretend WE ARE ANYMORE VIOLENT than Neocons.