Actual gun defense..robber has gun pointed at victims...and loses to armed good guy...

[Roadrunner]

You haven't either Bill. I'm not saying nobody ever does, I'm saying most of you are paranoid. Victims of the gun lobby I guess. Somehow even though you are all very safe they have you believe you need lots of guns and training how to use them.

Brian - I have all sorts of tools that I very rarely need. I haven't used my 36 foot extension ladder in years. I have some ladder hooks that screw on the top of an extension ladder that I haven't used in over ten years. I have some diamond tipped drill bitts I have only used once. Most of them I haven't ever used (they came in a set). I carry a small pocket knife with me most places I go, yet I almost never use it.

I have used my firearm many more times than I have used these (and many) of my other tools. Granted, my handgun has, thus far, fortunately only been used to shoot at targets, but my family and I think it's fun to shoot at targets, AND that firearm has the added potential of increasing the level of protection for my family when we are out.

Do you lock your doors and windows at night? Those are protective things that rarely get "used" to prevent burglers, right? Most houses, arguably, never have a burgery attempt, so why have locks on the doors?

Do you buckle your seat belt in your car? Most cars go throughout their useful life without any sort of major accident, so why use your seat-belt? And those seat belts can be DANGEROUS you know....sometimes trapping the poor user into the burning car and costing them their life.

I know nothing is going to change your mind, or any other gun-grabbers....

How many of those things accidently kill lots of people. Many people who use them in defense are getting shot and killed when they otherwise would have survived. So these people who insist you need a gun to be safer are wrong. I think it's important people know these things when deciding to own/carry. Too often we hear you need a gun to be safe and peope who shouldn't get guns.

Do you have locks on your doors?

Have you ever REALLY needed them?

 

[Brain357]

Cowards? The people without guns are cowards? But the people too scared to leave their house without a gun are what?

No, people who try to disarm their fellow citizens are cowards...and pieces of shit.

Ah. Well I've no interest in that. But I think it's not always the best choice for people.

Then WTF are you pushing here?

Most people are safer without.

No. But I do believe that a pussy like YOU is safer without a gun. If you had one, there's a high probability the criminal will take it from you and then shoot you with it. I don't recommend everyone carry a gun, just those ready to use it. Pussies like you can just pray that someone like me is around if you're ever in danger.

Ah is that internet courage calling me a pussy? Or is that gun courage? Either way very childish. Bravo.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

How many of those things accidently kill lots of people. Many people who use them in defense are getting shot and killed when they otherwise would have survived. So these people who insist you need a gun to be safer are wrong. I think it's important people know these things when deciding to own/carry. Too often we hear you need a gun to be safe and peope who shouldn't get guns.

I am guessing more people are injured/killed while using their own ladders than are inured/killed by their own guns every year. I certainly have seen more ladder injuries in my ED than gunshot injuries. Perhaps you should choose another windmill to attack....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Did the punk even fire his weapon?
Didnt look like he was prepared to use it,to bad for him.

Why are you defending the bad guy?

It didn't seem herewegoagain was defending the bad guy, he's just pointing out that having a gun is for men who are prepared to use it, not little boys acting like a tough guy.

It's still an assumption
No one knows for sure if he was prepared or not to use it.
If he was stupid enough to threaten, he could have been just as stupid to have used it.
To me it's making an excuse for the punk and therefore defending him.

Why so dead set on insinuating I'm defending the guy?
You pull a gun you damn well better be ready to use it or be prepared to die.
He wasnt..to bad for him.

 

[Wildman]

a brand new AR-15!

>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
what brand name are you getting ? i have a few recommendations if interested, i have been an AR-15 guy since day one.

last thursday i shot a 20 round 2" group @ 100 yds, 16 of those bullets went into a one inch red dot...., 4 fliers.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

No, people who try to disarm their fellow citizens are cowards...and pieces of shit.

Ah. Well I've no interest in that. But I think it's not always the best choice for people.

Then WTF are you pushing here?

Most people are safer without.

No. But I do believe that a pussy like YOU is safer without a gun. If you had one, there's a high probability the criminal will take it from you and then shoot you with it. I don't recommend everyone carry a gun, just those ready to use it. Pussies like you can just pray that someone like me is around if you're ever in danger.

Ah is that internet courage calling me a pussy? Or is that gun courage? Either way very childish. Bravo.

You come off as a pussy who is terrified of free, empowered Americans who take charge of their own security.

Pussy.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I have an idea for you Brian. You can start a "movement" calling for the everyone to voluntarily turn in their dangerous home ladders. Instead of people being independent, which is entirely too dangerous, we can start a new governmental "ladder force". If you need to reach something that is just a bit too far, then you can call the "ladder force", a select group of highly trained individuals, to come into your home and get said object. They can have STAT (Special Tools and Training) teams too, to do those specialized things on ladders like painting.

Think of the lives that could be saved!!!

 

[peach174]

Did the punk even fire his weapon?
Didnt look like he was prepared to use it,to bad for him.

Why are you defending the bad guy?

It didn't seem herewegoagain was defending the bad guy, he's just pointing out that having a gun is for men who are prepared to use it, not little boys acting like a tough guy.

It's still an assumption
No one knows for sure if he was prepared or not to use it.
If he was stupid enough to threaten, he could have been just as stupid to have used it.
To me it's making an excuse for the punk and therefore defending him.

Why so dead set on insinuating I'm defending the guy?
You pull a gun you damn well better be ready to use it or be prepared to die.
He wasnt..to bad for him.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Then you can push for regulations prohibiting the sale of ladders over 32 foot tall because nobody, and I do mean NOBODY has any need to be that far off the ground. And that just looks SCARY to everyone, so we should outlaw ladders over 32 foot. And in a good socialist fashion, that would ensure more work for the "ladder force", who can now justify their existance to politicians, thus extorting more money from them.

Then, when you have banned all of those scary looking ladders, you can go after the 6+ foot ladders because, since they are the most common type of ladders, they likely hurt the most people. Think of the studies that the government can fund universities to publish "proving" how dangerous 6 foot ladders are!! Of course, that would require an enormous increase in the "ladder force". That wouldn't be a bad thing though, because they would then unionize and coerce politicians into giving them all pay raises.

 

[Roadrunner]

a brand new AR-15!

>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
what brand name are you getting ? i have a few recommendations if interested, i have been an AR-15 guy since day one.

last thursday i shot a 20 round 2" group @ 100 yds, 16 of those bullets went into a one inch red dot...., 4 fliers.

I have a new in the box Bushmaster.

Never shot it, bought it and a SIG, and like the SIG so much I never got around to the other one.

Next I want the SIG in .308.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

There's 6 times more of a chance a ladder will cause an accident at home than to repair a satellite dish.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

a brand new AR-15!

>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
what brand name are you getting ? i have a few recommendations if interested, i have been an AR-15 guy since day one.

last thursday i shot a 20 round 2" group @ 100 yds, 16 of those bullets went into a one inch red dot...., 4 fliers.

I have a new in the box Bushmaster.

Never shot it, bought it and a SIG, and like the SIG so much I never got around to the other one.

Next I want the SIG in .308.

If I made the decision again I wouldn't have gotten an AR with the front sight post. The carry handle rear sight is removable, but the front sight isn't and just gets in the way of any accessories I want to put on the rail.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I have an idea for you Brian. You can start a "movement" calling for the everyone to voluntarily turn in their dangerous home ladders. Instead of people being independent, which is entirely too dangerous, we can start a new governmental "ladder force". If you need to reach something that is just a bit too far, then you can call the "ladder force", a select group of highly trained individuals, to come into your home and get said object. They can have STAT (Special Tools and Training) teams too, to do those specialized things on ladders like painting.

Think of the lives that could be saved!!!

I served in the Army, you served in the Navy. We're talking to someone who's never served anything greater than himself. This nation is not defended by the likes of a pussy like him.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Brain...this goes to all I have said recently about self defense situations.....this pharmacist has his gun in his pocket, the robber has his gun out and pointed at the victims...the robber has to react to the pharmacist and loses because of this......the actual video of the event is at the bottom of the article....more than 2 shots are fired....

Video Shows West Virginia Pharmacist Shooting Armed Robber The Daily Caller

Police in West Virginia have released dramatic video surveillance which shows a pharmacist defending himself and a store full of workers and customers against a masked armed robber.

Terry Gillenwater, 25, entered Good Family Pharmacy in Pinch, W. Va. Wednesday morning wearing a bandana and carrying a gun.


Don Radcliff, one of the pharmacists on staff, had just joked about how Gillenwater must have been there to rob the store when the suspect attempted to do just that.

Surveillance video released by the Kanahwa County sheriff’s department shows Gillenwater reaching into his jacket and pulling out a gun. Radcliff did not hesitate to do the same.

The video is very interesting.....you should watch it and see how real self defense with guns actually happen....as opposed to what you read from anti gunner extremist journalists and researchers......

"If you're gonna shoot shoot. Don't talk."

- "The Good, the Bad, and the ugly"

 

[Skull Pilot]

And you know that?

How do you know he wouldn't have shot anyone?

You have far too much trust in scum bag criminals and far too little in law abiding people

And you are far too brain washed into being scared and paranoid.

But I'm not afraid of guns. You are.

A weapon is nothing more than a tool.

No I'm not scared of guns. And I'm not scared to go out without one either. That is no way to live.

I rarely carry a gun. Like I said my concealed carry permit is nothing but an option. It is an option I choose to have rather than be defenseless.

You choose not to be able to defend yourself if the need arises and I'm fine with that. In fact I would never pull a weapon to defend you so as to respect your wishes

Hey it's your choice. But I just post the facts. Sorry you don't like them.

Your facts do not apply to me

I have never had a firearm accident in the 30 plus years I have been shooting.

You seem convinced that everyone who owns a gun will get injured because of it. You are wrong

And what you forget is that all choices are nothing but a weighing of the risks involved with doing or not doing anything.

If some people think the risk of a firearm accident (which are 100% preventable btw as my history and the histories of countless other gun owners demonstrate) is acceptable in relation to having the ability to protect one's home and family then it is none of your business.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

a brand new AR-15!

>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<
what brand name are you getting ? i have a few recommendations if interested, i have been an AR-15 guy since day one.

last thursday i shot a 20 round 2" group @ 100 yds, 16 of those bullets went into a one inch red dot...., 4 fliers.

I have a new in the box Bushmaster.

Never shot it, bought it and a SIG, and like the SIG so much I never got around to the other one.

Next I want the SIG in .308.

I got the Sig myself. Damn nice AR,all Mil spec.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You haven't either Bill. I'm not saying nobody ever does, I'm saying most of you are paranoid. Victims of the gun lobby I guess. Somehow even though you are all very safe they have you believe you need lots of guns and training how to use them.

Brian - I have all sorts of tools that I very rarely need. I haven't used my 36 foot extension ladder in years. I have some ladder hooks that screw on the top of an extension ladder that I haven't used in over ten years. I have some diamond tipped drill bitts I have only used once. Most of them I haven't ever used (they came in a set). I carry a small pocket knife with me most places I go, yet I almost never use it.

I have used my firearm many more times than I have used these (and many) of my other tools. Granted, my handgun has, thus far, fortunately only been used to shoot at targets, but my family and I think it's fun to shoot at targets, AND that firearm has the added potential of increasing the level of protection for my family when we are out.

Do you lock your doors and windows at night? Those are protective things that rarely get "used" to prevent burglers, right? Most houses, arguably, never have a burgery attempt, so why have locks on the doors?

Do you buckle your seat belt in your car? Most cars go throughout their useful life without any sort of major accident, so why use your seat-belt? And those seat belts can be DANGEROUS you know....sometimes trapping the poor user into the burning car and costing them their life.

I know nothing is going to change your mind, or any other gun-grabbers....

How many of those things accidently kill lots of people. Many people who use them in defense are getting shot and killed when they otherwise would have survived. So these people who insist you need a gun to be safer are wrong. I think it's important people know these things when deciding to own/carry. Too often we hear you need a gun to be safe and peope who shouldn't get guns.

You assume they would have survived.

I don't think I'll base my choices on your assumptions

 

[2aguy]

The problem we have with you is that in order for you to think any one has "put a lot of thought into what they are doing" means they have to agree with you.

The reason I stated that it was highly unlikely that I would get killed us that I have put a lot of thought and training into my own defense. But I'm sure that isn't enough for you.

Lying with statistics is not only easy, it's very common. Especially here at USMB.

Your stats do not count the number of people who were not killed because they had a gun, and no statistics exist that show how many lives were saved because a potential assailant worried that the person might have a gun. They don't exist because ibviously that isn't recorded.

I have shown in my thread "more people saved by guns" that there are an enormous number of people and property saved every day. You know too, you have participated in that thread.

I would be shocked if you can come up with stories daily. I usually count about 50 a year.

Every single day. I gave an actual job and a family and cannot devote my life to providing proof each day just to defeat a Progressive who doesn't have the honesty, integrity, or maturity to ever admit that he's wrong no matter what I do.

I think you'd be lucky to get one a week. I know I can post more accidental shooting stories than you can defenses.

I wish that this discussion board had some police power. I can prove you wrong but to what end? You aren't forced to concede, you aren't punished for being wrong. You are free to ignore my evidence and continue to spout nonsense.

You are a progressive gun grabber who will never ever admit to being wrong no matter what. Why I've wasted all this time already is a mystery. Go ahead now and pretend this is surrender and claim you win. I'm done.

Well I'm confident I can post way more accidental shootings than you can defenses. Call me what you will, but that is a fact.

Brain...even with your defense of the NCVS number, which you put at 108,000 and your inflated 17,000 accidental shootings a year with only 6-700 gun accident deaths a year...even your own flawed numbers prove you wrong....

The real number on average of 1.6 million defensive uses a year far out weighs any actual gun murder rate....which is about 8-9,000 a year and combine that with the accidental gun death rate, which is 6-700 a year....and again you are wrong....

Wether you can find them in the media.....your own numbers that you defend show you are wrong.....and those numbers are low, and wrong.....

 

[2aguy]

Would be curious to know whether the gunman was involved in any gang activity, and wanted to steal drugs as well as cash.

But glad that none of the staff or customers were injured severely or killed.

I believe the article says he has a lot of drug problems. So probably wanted drugs and cash. I believe the second shot of the pharmacist actually hit his gun disabling it. Otherwise when he points to shoot somebody probably get shot. They are all very lucky this time. But like I posted the good guy does not always win.

but he always loses if he's defenseless

No the guy would have taken what he wanted and probably caught later by police. In this case he is lucky himself or coworkers didn't get shot. His coworkers had no choice in the situation.

Yes....like the employees of the Palatine, Brown's Chicken.....here in Illinois...the robbers got the money from the employees...marched them all back to the cooler....and killed all of them.........brain....you are something else.....

 

[2aguy]

Four people were killed in a late-night shooting in Texas, including a suspected gunman and his wife, and one person was seriously injured, police said early Monday. Preliminary investigations showed a 30-year-old man shot three people — a 29-year-old woman, a 41-year-old-woman, and a 40-year-old man

I have shown in my thread "more people saved by guns" that there are an enormous number of people and property saved every day. You know too, you have participated in that thread.

Every day I read about some whacked out gun owner (under 30) killing his family and/or himself. Now which is the greater number; people killed by someone they know who has a gun or robbers shot and killed by the intended victim?

And the robbers, the crazy shooters and other gun crimes are committed mostly by young men 30 and under.
What does that tell you? The robber who got shot, under 30. What is it that young men under 30 needs a gun FOR? Robbery? Murder? Suicide? Drive by shooting? What do they need guns FOR?

And in Japan family suicide happens all the time and they have no guns.......and it is the parents killing themselves and their children......