Afghanistan before the US-backed mujahideen took over in the 90's.

[K9Buck]

Anyway, great thread man! Very detailed, persuasive arguments!

 

[the other mike]

Anyway, great thread man! Very detailed, persuasive arguments!

Thanks for trolling on it and trying to spin it off topic.

 

[K9Buck]

Thanks for trolling on it and trying to spin it off topic.

Learn how to make an argument. Make a statement and than back it up with evidence. You made numerous, idiotic claims that you couldn't support. Frankly, you're too fucking stupid to engage further.

 

[the other mike]

Thanks for trolling on it and trying to spin it off topic.

Learn how to make an argument. Make a statement and than back it up with evidence. You made numerous, idiotic claims that you couldn't support. Frankly, you're too fucking stupid to engage further.

I don't argue with trolls...especially know-it-all ones like you.

 

[the other mike]

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)

 

[Correll]

It would have been a nice place to visit.
When Duke Ellington played Kabul

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia

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Afghan women before the Taliban

You're really ignoring the whole Soviet invasion in your need to blame America?

 

[the other mike]

You're really ignoring the whole Soviet invasion in your need to blame America?

Is that what I was doing ?

 

[Correll]

You're really ignoring the whole Soviet invasion in your need to blame America?

Is that what I was doing ?

Yes. Obviously.

 

[the other mike]

Our Republicans hero Reagan not only destroyed the economy but created our enemy.
( I'll bet they blame Carter, Clinton and Obama )


Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during thecivil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)

 

[Correll]

Our Republicans hero Reagan not only destroyed the economy but created our enemy.
( I'll bet they blame Carter, Clinton and Obama )


Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during thecivil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)

So, are you pretending to have never heard of the Cold War? Or do you pretend that some other place, you are just as harsh in judging the Soviets for their actions in the Cold War?

 

[the other mike]

Our Republicans hero Reagan not only destroyed the economy but created our enemy.
( I'll bet they blame Carter, Clinton and Obama )


Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during thecivil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)

So, are you pretending to have never heard of the Cold War? Or do you pretend that some other place, you are just as harsh in judging the Soviets for their actions in the Cold War?

If you want to start a thread about the USSR, go for it.

 

[the other mike]

I hear the Taliban are Metallica fans now.
Moscow 1991

 

[Correll]

Our Republicans hero Reagan not only destroyed the economy but created our enemy.
( I'll bet they blame Carter, Clinton and Obama )


Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987. Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during thecivil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992)

So, are you pretending to have never heard of the Cold War? Or do you pretend that some other place, you are just as harsh in judging the Soviets for their actions in the Cold War?

If you want to start a thread about the USSR, go for it.

ONly a partisan hack and/or an anti-american asshole would attack the US for it's actions in Afghanistan without putting them in the context of the Cold War.

 

[the other mike]

Save the Gomer Pyle speech for your hard on neighbors kids Huckleberry.

 

[Correll]

Save the Gomer Pyle speech for your hard on neighbors kids Hucklebentry.

ONly a partisan hack and/or an anti-american asshole would attack the US for it's actions in Afghanistan without putting them in the context of the Cold War.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Well, first off, we were not the only ones backing the mujahideen. Other Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were providing huge amounts of aid to them. So was Pakistan.

If the Soviets had remained in control of Afghanistan, what would have happened after the Soviet Union collapsed? Do you think things would have been markedly different if the Soviets had controlled Afghanistan until the Soviet Union collapsed?

 

[the other mike]

Well, first off, we were not the only ones backing the mujahideen. Other Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were providing huge amounts of aid to them. So was Pakistan.

So why were we there ? What if the USSR had decided to help Mexico win a war in Texas ?
Because on the map that would be a pretty accurate comparison.

If the Soviets had remained in control of Afghanistan, what would have happened after the Soviet Union collapsed? Do you think things would have been markedly different if the Soviets had controlled Afghanistan until the Soviet Union collapsed?

You can toss around all the hypothetical what-ifs imaginable but they won't change
the fact that Osama bin Laden was right about America's wars bankrupting us. Since the "War On Terror" began,
the United States National Debt has grown by $18 Trillion .

 

[irosie91]

Well, first off, we were not the only ones backing the mujahideen. Other Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were providing huge amounts of aid to them. So was Pakistan.

So why were we there ? What if the USSR had decided to help Mexico win a war in Texas ?
Because on the map that would be a pretty accurate comparison.

If the Soviets had remained in control of Afghanistan, what would have happened after the Soviet Union collapsed? Do you think things would have been markedly different if the Soviets had controlled Afghanistan until the Soviet Union collapsed?

You can toss around all the hypothetical what-ifs imaginable but they won't change
the fact that Osama bin Laden was right about America's wars bankrupting us. Since the "War On Terror" began,
the United States National Debt has grown by $18 Trillion .

the USA is not bankrupted-----however you have touched on the methods
of Islamic terrorism. --------it all boils down to economic siege. The
War On Terrorism is resistance to Islamic economic siege. "what would
have happened if the SOVIETS had held on to Afghanistan until it collapsed"--
is an interesting question but does not alter the fact that BACK THEN in the
1980s, Washington sought to avoid that situation by facilitating the
TALIBAN ----------it was a mistake-----SO?

 

[the other mike]

Well, first off, we were not the only ones backing the mujahideen. Other Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were providing huge amounts of aid to them. So was Pakistan.

So why were we there ? What if the USSR had decided to help Mexico win a war in Texas ?
Because on the map that would be a pretty accurate comparison.

If the Soviets had remained in control of Afghanistan, what would have happened after the Soviet Union collapsed? Do you think things would have been markedly different if the Soviets had controlled Afghanistan until the Soviet Union collapsed?

You can toss around all the hypothetical what-ifs imaginable but they won't change
the fact that Osama bin Laden was right about America's wars bankrupting us. Since the "War On Terror" began,
the United States National Debt has grown by $18 Trillion .

the USA is not bankrupted-----however you have touched on the methods
of Islamic terrorism. --------it all boils down to economic siege. The
War On Terrorism is resistance to Islamic economic siege. "what would
have happened if the SOVIETS had held on to Afghanistan until it collapsed"--
is an interesting question but does not alter the fact that BACK THEN in the
1980s, Washington sought to avoid that situation by facilitating the
TALIBAN ----------it was a mistake-----SO?

So think about it. We were duped into a BS Cold War just like we are again now at a time
when the Russians were our allies against Hitler, they could be our allies against Islamic extremists . And the Chinese.

 

[irosie91]

Well, first off, we were not the only ones backing the mujahideen. Other Arab nations, especially Saudi Arabia, were providing huge amounts of aid to them. So was Pakistan.

So why were we there ? What if the USSR had decided to help Mexico win a war in Texas ?
Because on the map that would be a pretty accurate comparison.

If the Soviets had remained in control of Afghanistan, what would have happened after the Soviet Union collapsed? Do you think things would have been markedly different if the Soviets had controlled Afghanistan until the Soviet Union collapsed?

You can toss around all the hypothetical what-ifs imaginable but they won't change
the fact that Osama bin Laden was right about America's wars bankrupting us. Since the "War On Terror" began,
the United States National Debt has grown by $18 Trillion .

the USA is not bankrupted-----however you have touched on the methods
of Islamic terrorism. --------it all boils down to economic siege. The
War On Terrorism is resistance to Islamic economic siege. "what would
have happened if the SOVIETS had held on to Afghanistan until it collapsed"--
is an interesting question but does not alter the fact that BACK THEN in the
1980s, Washington sought to avoid that situation by facilitating the
TALIBAN ----------it was a mistake-----SO?

So think about it. We were duped into a BS Cold War just like we are again now at a time
when the Russians were our allies against Hitler, they could be our allies against Islamic extremists . And the Chinese.

you are conjecturing in a fantastic manner-----LET's PRETEND that Russia---
WANTS to join the USA in a fight against islam even if doing so would
be contrary to ITS interested in Afghanistan.
Try a bit of history-----in fact Russia has PROPPED UP Baathist regimes
all over the Islamic world for the past ----in excess of, 60 years. Russia has
been going for "SPHERE OF INFLUENCE" (uber alles----not philosophy)