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Al Franken takes dummy Ted Cruz to School
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American Horse
AKA "Mustang"
In today's WSJ
Read this and get an education. Cruz's comment is mentioned in the 3rd paragraph below:
"What a Tangled Web Obama Weaves"
By
L. GORDON CROVITZ
Nov. 16, 2014 6:22 p.m. ET
Al Gore didn’t invent the Internet, but Bill Clinton deserves credit for the most important Internet policy: a bipartisan consensus reached during his administration in the mid-1990s to keep the Internet free of regulation. The Web would be permissionless, so that innovators could start sites and other digital offerings without waiting for regulatory approval.
In a surprise speech last week, President Obama demanded the end of the unregulated Internet, ratcheting up his campaign to subject the Internet to century-old regulations written to micromanage public utilities. Mr. Obama pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify the Internet under Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, which was based on railroad regulations from the 1880s and used to oversee AT&T when it was a telephone monopoly. Regulators set prices, terms and conditions and must approve new products.
Mr. Obama says Internet service providers will “limit your access to a website” without Title II oversight. Pro-regulation lobbyists have made this argument from the beginning of the Web—and every year are proven more wrong. The Internet boomed precisely because it wasn’t regulated. In 1999 the FCC published a paper titled “The FCC and the Unregulation of the Internet.” The study contrasted the dramatic growth of the open Internet with that of the sluggish industries subject to Title II’s more than 1,000 regulations. Sen. Ted Cruz got it right last week when he tweeted that Title II would be ObamaCare for the Internet.
Amazing as it seems, under these regulations federal bureaucrats in the 1970s decided whether AT&T could move beyond standard black telephones to offer Princess phones in pink, blue and white. A Title II Internet would give regulators similar authority to approve, prioritize and set “just and reasonable” prices for broadband, the lifeblood of the Internet.
When Apple first offered Internet access on the iPhone, Steve Jobs didn’t have to ask regulators for permission. Instead of network operators prioritizing traffic based on technical optimization, as they do today, under Title II regulators would prioritize streaming video from Netflix , pornographers or church services. Title II would invalidate “nonneutral” practices such as T-Mobile offering mobile phones with free music. Surgeons operating remotely via robotic systems may no longer have access to a latency-free (no lag time) connection to the Internet.
Title II regulation would also be a hidden tax increase: Broadband consumers would pay the 16.1% tax on interstate revenues under the Universal Service Fund. State utility commissioners would also get oversight of the Internet.
Mr. Obama claims that regulators can always “forbear” from the more onerous regulations of Title II. But the nature of regulators is to regulate, not to forbear. And as FCC Commissioner Michael O’Rielly explained at a Free State Foundation policy seminar last week, regulators can’t forbear even if they want to. The law, he said, sets the “bar so high for forbearance that it is nearly impossible to meet, especially when the Commission deals with core common carrier provisions on a nationwide basis,” as with the Internet.
Title II wouldn’t even get net-neutrality advocates what they say they want. They object to “paid prioritization” by Netflix and YouTube, which at peak times account for more than half the broadband capacity in the U.S. These bandwidth hogs couldn’t function without fast lanes on the Internet. They invest in huge networks of computer servers in many data centers to ensure smooth delivery of their content. Title II would bless these different tiers of service.
Everyone agrees that broadband providers should not discriminate based on the content of a website or other digital service, but broadband providers already pledge to their users that they won’t discriminate. If they did, regulators can enforce this version of “neutrality” without the draconian Title II by prohibiting “commercially unreasonable” network management practices.
FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, who was appointed by Mr. Obama last year, knows that Title II would be a disaster for the Internet. He has never supported it. The New York Times reported that the pressure from Mr. Obama last week made Mr. Wheeler “testy, defensive and a bit angry that he might be seen as a political pawn.” He deserves to be angry: The president is making him choose either to run his independent agency independently or to become a political lackey for the White House.
Last week, Senate Republicans warned the FCC that Title II is “last century’s rules” and they would fight it. Some Democrats went further, with the Progressive Policy Institute, run by policy advisers from the Clinton administration, questioning Mr. Obama’s motives. They warned that the “likely rationale for imposing Title II is to pursue an aggressive regulatory agenda unrelated to net neutrality.”
The last time net neutrality became a big political issue was in the 2010 midterm elections, when all 95 congressional candidates who campaigned for net neutrality were defeated. Americans like their unregulated Internet, and they want to keep it.
Read this and get an education. Cruz's comment is mentioned in the 3rd paragraph below:
"What a Tangled Web Obama Weaves"
By
L. GORDON CROVITZ
Nov. 16, 2014 6:22 p.m. ET
Al Gore didn’t invent the Internet, but Bill Clinton deserves credit for the most important Internet policy: a bipartisan consensus reached during his administration in the mid-1990s to keep the Internet free of regulation. The Web would be permissionless, so that innovators could start sites and other digital offerings without waiting for regulatory approval.
In a surprise speech last week, President Obama demanded the end of the unregulated Internet, ratcheting up his campaign to subject the Internet to century-old regulations written to micromanage public utilities. Mr. Obama pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify the Internet under Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, which was based on railroad regulations from the 1880s and used to oversee AT&T when it was a telephone monopoly. Regulators set prices, terms and conditions and must approve new products.
Mr. Obama says Internet service providers will “limit your access to a website” without Title II oversight. Pro-regulation lobbyists have made this argument from the beginning of the Web—and every year are proven more wrong. The Internet boomed precisely because it wasn’t regulated. In 1999 the FCC published a paper titled “The FCC and the Unregulation of the Internet.” The study contrasted the dramatic growth of the open Internet with that of the sluggish industries subject to Title II’s more than 1,000 regulations. Sen. Ted Cruz got it right last week when he tweeted that Title II would be ObamaCare for the Internet.
Amazing as it seems, under these regulations federal bureaucrats in the 1970s decided whether AT&T could move beyond standard black telephones to offer Princess phones in pink, blue and white. A Title II Internet would give regulators similar authority to approve, prioritize and set “just and reasonable” prices for broadband, the lifeblood of the Internet.
When Apple first offered Internet access on the iPhone, Steve Jobs didn’t have to ask regulators for permission. Instead of network operators prioritizing traffic based on technical optimization, as they do today, under Title II regulators would prioritize streaming video from Netflix , pornographers or church services. Title II would invalidate “nonneutral” practices such as T-Mobile offering mobile phones with free music. Surgeons operating remotely via robotic systems may no longer have access to a latency-free (no lag time) connection to the Internet.
Title II regulation would also be a hidden tax increase: Broadband consumers would pay the 16.1% tax on interstate revenues under the Universal Service Fund. State utility commissioners would also get oversight of the Internet.
Mr. Obama claims that regulators can always “forbear” from the more onerous regulations of Title II. But the nature of regulators is to regulate, not to forbear. And as FCC Commissioner Michael O’Rielly explained at a Free State Foundation policy seminar last week, regulators can’t forbear even if they want to. The law, he said, sets the “bar so high for forbearance that it is nearly impossible to meet, especially when the Commission deals with core common carrier provisions on a nationwide basis,” as with the Internet.
Title II wouldn’t even get net-neutrality advocates what they say they want. They object to “paid prioritization” by Netflix and YouTube, which at peak times account for more than half the broadband capacity in the U.S. These bandwidth hogs couldn’t function without fast lanes on the Internet. They invest in huge networks of computer servers in many data centers to ensure smooth delivery of their content. Title II would bless these different tiers of service.
Everyone agrees that broadband providers should not discriminate based on the content of a website or other digital service, but broadband providers already pledge to their users that they won’t discriminate. If they did, regulators can enforce this version of “neutrality” without the draconian Title II by prohibiting “commercially unreasonable” network management practices.
FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, who was appointed by Mr. Obama last year, knows that Title II would be a disaster for the Internet. He has never supported it. The New York Times reported that the pressure from Mr. Obama last week made Mr. Wheeler “testy, defensive and a bit angry that he might be seen as a political pawn.” He deserves to be angry: The president is making him choose either to run his independent agency independently or to become a political lackey for the White House.
Last week, Senate Republicans warned the FCC that Title II is “last century’s rules” and they would fight it. Some Democrats went further, with the Progressive Policy Institute, run by policy advisers from the Clinton administration, questioning Mr. Obama’s motives. They warned that the “likely rationale for imposing Title II is to pursue an aggressive regulatory agenda unrelated to net neutrality.”
The last time net neutrality became a big political issue was in the 2010 midterm elections, when all 95 congressional candidates who campaigned for net neutrality were defeated. Americans like their unregulated Internet, and they want to keep it.
It makes simple commercial sense.Prioritisation will be achieved by slowing others' stuff down...not by speeding your stuff up.Cruz is right and Franken is wrong.
Net neutrality means that providers willing to pay for prioritization will be denied it. I.E. Youtube and NetFlix, require to function according to demands from users need and pay for prioritization and the amount of that prioritization will be subject to bureaucratic rules with so called "net neutrality"
It matters not a whit how fast a blogger or you or I can move our traffic over the Internet but those two and others like them need the ability to move their content vastly faster than you or I to fulfill their mission.
This NN crap will mean you and I will spend a whole lot more time wIting for our vids and movies and other media.
Ruz is right and Franken is wrong and a tool of the administration
And you know this how? You made it up.
Why invest in better infrastructure when you can just throttle back on those less favoured?
Yes comrade, you are right. In fact they will do it in order to make the rest of the internet slower. Once again, you recognized a chance for the bourgeois to oppress the proletariat.
You pulled it out of your ass as a blind accusation, and you are wrong. In the real world rather than your Marxist one, they are building out bandwidth like crazy and this will put more money into that effort. What do I know, I'm an expert in networks for fortune 100 companies? You post on the internet and had a baseless anti- capitalist attack, obviously you know more.
What is fascinating to me is how you communist drones just drag out those accusations based on nothing and state them as fact. I realize you don't actually process any of this.
orogenicman
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It makes simple commercial sense.Prioritisation will be achieved by slowing others' stuff down...not by speeding your stuff up.Cruz is right and Franken is wrong.
Net neutrality means that providers willing to pay for prioritization will be denied it. I.E. Youtube and NetFlix, require to function according to demands from users need and pay for prioritization and the amount of that prioritization will be subject to bureaucratic rules with so called "net neutrality"
It matters not a whit how fast a blogger or you or I can move our traffic over the Internet but those two and others like them need the ability to move their content vastly faster than you or I to fulfill their mission.
This NN crap will mean you and I will spend a whole lot more time wIting for our vids and movies and other media.
Ruz is right and Franken is wrong and a tool of the administration
And you know this how? You made it up.
Why invest in better infrastructure when you can just throttle back on those less favoured?
Yes comrade, you are right. In fact they will do it in order to make the rest of the internet slower. Once again, you recognized a chance for the bourgeois to oppress the proletariat.
You pulled it out of your ass as a blind accusation, and you are wrong. In the real world rather than your Marxist one, they are building out bandwidth like crazy and this will put more money into that effort. What do I know, I'm an expert in networks for fortune 100 companies? You post on the internet and had a baseless anti- capitalist attack, obviously you know more.
What is fascinating to me is how you communist drones just drag out those accusations based on nothing and state them as fact. I realize you don't actually process any of this.
If they are building bandwidth like crazy, as you claim, then they don't need to throttle the internet. Well, unless being open about their greed is their goal.
idb
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My anti-capitalist communist droning attacks are more or less baseless than your slavering adherence to the total fairness of The Market?It makes simple commercial sense.Prioritisation will be achieved by slowing others' stuff down...not by speeding your stuff up.Cruz is right and Franken is wrong.
Net neutrality means that providers willing to pay for prioritization will be denied it. I.E. Youtube and NetFlix, require to function according to demands from users need and pay for prioritization and the amount of that prioritization will be subject to bureaucratic rules with so called "net neutrality"
It matters not a whit how fast a blogger or you or I can move our traffic over the Internet but those two and others like them need the ability to move their content vastly faster than you or I to fulfill their mission.
This NN crap will mean you and I will spend a whole lot more time wIting for our vids and movies and other media.
Ruz is right and Franken is wrong and a tool of the administration
And you know this how? You made it up.
Why invest in better infrastructure when you can just throttle back on those less favoured?
Yes comrade, you are right. In fact they will do it in order to make the rest of the internet slower. Once again, you recognized a chance for the bourgeois to oppress the proletariat.
You pulled it out of your ass as a blind accusation, and you are wrong. In the real world rather than your Marxist one, they are building out bandwidth like crazy and this will put more money into that effort. What do I know, I'm an expert in networks for fortune 100 companies? You post on the internet and had a baseless anti- capitalist attack, obviously you know more.
What is fascinating to me is how you communist drones just drag out those accusations based on nothing and state them as fact. I realize you don't actually process any of this.
I wonder.
American Horse
AKA "Mustang"
It makes simple commercial sense.Prioritisation will be achieved by slowing others' stuff down...not by speeding your stuff up.Cruz is right and Franken is wrong.
Net neutrality means that providers willing to pay for prioritization will be denied it. I.E. Youtube and NetFlix, require to function according to demands from users need and pay for prioritization and the amount of that prioritization will be subject to bureaucratic rules with so called "net neutrality"
It matters not a whit how fast a blogger or you or I can move our traffic over the Internet but those two and others like them need the ability to move their content vastly faster than you or I to fulfill their mission.
This NN crap will mean you and I will spend a whole lot more time wIting for our vids and movies and other media.
Ruz is right and Franken is wrong and a tool of the administration
And you know this how? You made it up.
Why invest in better infrastructure when you can just throttle back on those less favoured?
Yes comrade, you are right. In fact they will do it in order to make the rest of the internet slower. Once again, you recognized a chance for the bourgeois to oppress the proletariat.
You pulled it out of your ass as a blind accusation, and you are wrong. In the real world rather than your Marxist one, they are building out bandwidth like crazy and this will put more money into that effort. What do I know, I'm an expert in networks for fortune 100 companies? You post on the internet and had a baseless anti- capitalist attack, obviously you know more.
What is fascinating to me is how you communist drones just drag out those accusations based on nothing and state them as fact. I realize you don't actually process any of this.
Viz: "- What is fascinating to me is how you communist drones just drag out those accusations based on nothing and state them as fact. I realize you don't actually process any of this. - "
Your final paragraph quoted above is right on point, and it's blatant in this thread. It has one saving quality in that it is instructive and shows what any intelligent and productive dialogue is up against.
Carla_Danger
Platinum Member
Cruz is right and Franken is wrong.
Net neutrality means that providers willing to pay for prioritization will be denied it. I.E. Youtube and NetFlix, require to function according to demands from users need and pay for prioritization and the amount of that prioritization will be subject to bureaucratic rules with so called "net neutrality"
It matters not a whit how fast a blogger or you or I can move our traffic over the Internet but those two and others like them need the ability to move their content vastly faster than you or I to fulfill their mission.
This NN crap will mean you and I will spend a whole lot more time wIting for our vids and movies and other media.
Ruz is right and Franken is wrong and a tool of the administration
And all this time I thought RWers claimed to be for encouraging innovation.
Arguing with the voices in your head again? You know you said that out loud. Got anything to say regarding the post you responded to or just going with that?
Al Franken explained it perfectly in the video.
We want to keep the internet the way that it is now. It's not broken, so we don't need to fix it.
Franken stated that Google video sucked, which is why everyone went to youtube. Youtube was the superior product. That's the innovation we want to keep on the internet. What part of that is hard to understand?
Franken goes a little more in depth in this video.
Carla_Danger
Platinum Member
Who knew NeoClowns would be against open and free internet?
Carla_Danger
Platinum Member
Cruz's statements regarding Net Neutrality and Obamacare did demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of what Net Neutrality actually is.
But then Ted generally doesn't have a firm grasp on the issues he chooses to discuss. I remember him telling his constituents that defunding Obamacare by shutting down the government was going to be easy.
How'd that work out again?
Ted is correct in linking Net Neutrality and Obamacare
Republicans want both internet access and healthcare to go to the highest bidder
The one who pays the most gets the most? Who came up with that insane idea? We all get the same regardless of what we pay, that is the American way, it's what the Constitution says. Right big guy?
Don't you want people to succeed on the internet because they have the better product?
Carla_Danger
Platinum Member
When has government regulation ever made anything better?
Net neutrality means keeping it the fucking same as it is right now.
Dana7360
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Actually it's the government that says it's not broken and leave it the same way it's been from the beginning.
It's the republicans and some big business that wants to change the internet from what we've had all this time.
They want to create a 2 tiered system. It will slow down most sites and speed up some. Those that are faster will be more expensive so you will be paying more.
Stop saying the government is trying to break the internet. It's the republicans and big business who are doing that.
Carla_Danger
Platinum Member
Actually it's the government that says it's not broken and leave it the same way it's been from the beginning.
It's the republicans and some big business that wants to change the internet from what we've had all this time.
They want to create a 2 tiered system. It will slow down most sites and speed up some. Those that are faster will be more expensive so you will be paying more.
Stop saying the government is trying to break the internet. It's the republicans and big business who are doing that.
And that 2 tiered system will stifle innovation.
SwimExpert
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What seemingly everyone fails to understand, or just isn't paying attention to, is the fact that the FCC is already engaging in regulatory behavior and is carving out sweetheart regulatory deals that specifically cater to large corporate interests at the expense of consumers and small business. These plans are moving forward as we speak, and if they come into effect it will be a big lose for everyone except Comcast, Time Warner, etc.
I support preserving support net neutrality. I don't necessarily support Obama's approach to classify internet as a utility. In fact, I'd prefer an option that expressly keeps the FCC's hands away from it, because they clearly are not interested in preserving net neutrality and are deep in the pockets of the large telcom players.
But I ask everyone this simple question: Seeing as the FCC is going to bring about regulations one way or the other, which regulations are better? Plan A, where a few large corporate interests can strangle whatever they want whenever they want? Or Plan B, that necessitates that content not be discriminated based on a few corporations' whims?
I support preserving support net neutrality. I don't necessarily support Obama's approach to classify internet as a utility. In fact, I'd prefer an option that expressly keeps the FCC's hands away from it, because they clearly are not interested in preserving net neutrality and are deep in the pockets of the large telcom players.
But I ask everyone this simple question: Seeing as the FCC is going to bring about regulations one way or the other, which regulations are better? Plan A, where a few large corporate interests can strangle whatever they want whenever they want? Or Plan B, that necessitates that content not be discriminated based on a few corporations' whims?
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Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
change what? he's trying to keep it as it is. you republicians are really brainwashed and stupid or just autoidibots or what?
He is trying to keep things the same by changing them - war is peace. freedom is slavery.
SwimExpert
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change what? he's trying to keep it as it is. you republicians are really brainwashed and stupid or just autoidibots or what?
He is trying to keep things the same by changing them - war is peace. freedom is slavery.
That's a positively false characterization. The ISPs are the ones who are changing things. Obama wants to prevent those changes.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
How could any thinking consumer possibly be against Net Neutrality?
By understanding what it actually is.
Jeez...talk about voting against your own interests!!!
It is in my interests to give welfare to Netflix?
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
That's a positively false characterization. The ISPs are the ones who are changing things. Obama wants to prevent those changes.
Net Neutrality isn't about the ISP, it's about the backbone providers.
You don't keep things the same by passing laws to change them.
War is not peace.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
Al Franken explained it perfectly in the video.
We want to keep the internet the way that it is now. It's not broken, so we don't need to fix it.
So let's pass a law and change it...
Yes, you really ARE that fucking stupid...
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