Al Qaeda video shows terror conference, fiery speech

[Sunni Man]

Gallop Polls are in reality just polls......and have real no bearing on the future. ...

All polls strive to be a snapshot in time of a representative group on a particular question or questions.

Polls can easily be skewed and manipulated depending on the poll takers agenda.

Taking a 101 course in Elementary Statistics will clearly demonstrate this fact.

 

[Mojo2]

Why should I care about Christians either here or in foreign lands? ..

If you are being true to the Koran, you shouldn't.

Muslims are not to make friends with Jews or Christians.

 

[Mojo2]

Gallop Polls are in reality just polls......and have real no bearing on the future. ...

All polls strive to be a snapshot in time of a representative group on a particular question or questions.

Polls can easily be skewed and manipulated depending on the poll takers agenda.

Taking a 101 course in Elementary Statistics will clearly demonstrate this fact.

Taking a course in USMB 101 will clearly demonstrate I said all polls STRIVE to be a SNAPSHOT in time.

My statement said nothing about interpretation or skewing. However, it WAS intended to dispel your statement about having no bearing on the future.

Of course they have no direct bearing on the future except as those who interpret them choose to believe they do or try to make them do.

Enough of your pedantry.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why should I care about Christians either here or in foreign lands? ..

If you are being true to the Koran, you shouldn't.

Muslims are not to make friends with Jews or Christians.

You are taking a verse totally out of context.

There is no blanket prohibition against having Christians and Jews as friends in the Quran.


The Quran just says not to take Christians or Jews as allies against other muslims during a time of war.

Now you know the truth.......

 

[Mojo2]

Why should I care about Christians either here or in foreign lands? ..

If you are being true to the Koran, you shouldn't.

Muslims are not to make friends with Jews or Christians.

You are taking a verse totally out of context.

There is no blanket prohibition against having Christians and Jews as friends in the Quran.


The Quran just says not to take Christians or Jews as allies against other muslims during a time of war.

Now you know the truth.......

Except in cases of fear and taqiyah it is permissible to make friends with them.

Here is a respected Islamic scholar's interpretation of Taqiyah.

This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.

In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy ...

According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization.

One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.")

In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war against innocent American civilians).

Islamic Concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries

 

[Sunni Man]

And?? ..

 

[Mojo2]

And?? ..

One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.")

From the previous post.

 

[Sunni Man]

And?? ..

One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.")

From the previous post.

Correct......it was during a time of war......where deceiving and deception are standard practice by any countries military......including ours.

In fact, the CIA and Mossad are experts in this type of warfare. .

 

[Mojo2]

Where are those damn drones when you need them?

Better late than...

 

[Mojo2]

And?? ..

One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.")

From the previous post.

Correct......it was during a time of war......where deceiving and deception are standard practice by any countries military......including ours.

In fact, the CIA and Mossad are experts in this type of warfare. .

Aren't we currently in a time of war?

Aren't your actions and communications subject to the rules of Taqiyah?

Nevermind. We know the answer.

Unless you want to practice it some more for us here and show off how well you "Taq."

 

[Sunni Man]

If you notice my user name is Sunni Man not Shia Man.

I am a Sunni muslim and "taqiyya" is a Shia concept.

That is your teaching on Islam for the day..........


Taqiyya

"This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion. Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure. In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby."

The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence.

Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Now, how about you telling us something about what is happening in the Middle East since you can't resist coming to this forum and posting your usual nonsense. What's happening in Yemen? What's happening in Saudi Arabia? What's happen in the Emirates? These are in the Middle East, and as a good Muslim convert, you must be keeping up with the news when it concerns your fellow Sunnis.

Israel is also in the Middle East and causes 99% of the problems in the area.

So I will continue to focus on Israel. ...

Well, this wouldn't be the first time you blamed Israel for EXACTLY what Muslims are guilty of.
Muslims cause 100% of the problems in the area, and other areas.
Then they try to blame Israel for their problems . It's an incredibly hilarious cycle. Not only are they destructive, but they have the the brain the size of a bird
True story

 

[toastman]

America's love affair for the apartheid state of Israel is slowly changing.

Many liberals and young people are not infatuated with Israel like the older generation. And call into question our countries support of a fascist religious nation.

Plus, the muslim population in the US is continually growing; and harbors great antipathy towards zionist Israel.

So as the American politicians become aware of this changing demographic and growing voting block.

Support for Israel will greatly subside with each passing year. ...

Oh boy, we've heard that so many times Sunni Man. Lets look at the facts.

America still supports Israel 100%
Americans still support Israel over Palestinians
As the war in Syria continues, combined with other Muslim atrocities, people around the world are getting sick of their murderous ways
America still gives Israel $3 Billion a years
America still gives Israel weapons. In fact, Israel just received a new line of aircraft (Hercules)
Israel's economy is still growing and thriving
Israel is sitting atop a gold mine of natural gas.
You're crying as you read this.

True story

 

[Mojo2]

If you notice my user name is Sunni Man not Shia Man.

I am a Sunni muslim and "taqiyya" is a Shia concept.

That is your teaching on Islam for the day..........


Taqiyya

"This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion. Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure. In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby."

The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence.

Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The distinction you point out is an interesting one, for certain, and we thank you for it!

However, there are exceptions, here:

Sunni Muslims and taqiyya

However, although taqiyya is usually seen as a Shia doctrine only, it is practiced and taught also by Sunni Muslims, cf. the discussion of friendship with unbelievers in the entry on FRIENDS. Here just one quotation from a Sunni website, Islam Q&A (Islam Question and Answer - English - islamqa.info), advising in regard to making friends with non-Muslims:

"Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliyaa' (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them" [Aal 'Imraan 3:28]

This verse explains all the verses quoted above which forbid taking the kaafirs as friends in general terms. What that refers to is in cases where one has a choice, but in cases of fear and TAQIYYAH it is permissible to make friends with them, as much as is essential to protect oneself against their evil. That is subject to the condition that one's faith should not be affected by that friendship and the one who is behaves in that manner out of necessity is not one who behaves in that manner out of choice.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on mixing with the kuffaar and treating them kindly hoping that they will become Muslim. He replied:

Undoubtedly the Muslim is obliged to HATE the enemies of Allaah and to disavow them, because this is the way of the Messengers and their followers...

Based on this, it is not permissible for a Muslim to feel any love in his heart towards the enemies of Allaah who are in fact his enemies too...

But if a Muslim treats them with KINDNESS and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim ... (Question #59879: What is meant by taking the kuffaar as friends? Ruling on mixing with the kuffaar; bold and capital emphasis ours)​

Further discussion: Sunni Muslims and Taqiyyah

Comparative Index to Islam : TAQIYA; TAQIYYA; TAQIYYAH

 

[Sunni Man]

...........................................^^ That is just one Imam's personal opinion and isn't binding on any Sunni muslims. ..

 

[toastman]

If you notice my user name is Sunni Man not Shia Man.

I am a Sunni muslim and "taqiyya" is a Shia concept.

That is your teaching on Islam for the day..........


Taqiyya

"This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion. Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure. In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby."

The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence.

Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The distinction you point out is an interesting one, for certain, and we thank you for it!

However, there are exceptions, here:

Sunni Muslims and taqiyya

However, although taqiyya is usually seen as a Shia doctrine only, it is practiced and taught also by Sunni Muslims, cf. the discussion of friendship with unbelievers in the entry on FRIENDS. Here just one quotation from a Sunni website, Islam Q&A (Islam Question and Answer - English - islamqa.info), advising in regard to making friends with non-Muslims:

"Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliyaa' (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them" [Aal 'Imraan 3:28]

This verse explains all the verses quoted above which forbid taking the kaafirs as friends in general terms. What that refers to is in cases where one has a choice, but in cases of fear and TAQIYYAH it is permissible to make friends with them, as much as is essential to protect oneself against their evil. That is subject to the condition that one's faith should not be affected by that friendship and the one who is behaves in that manner out of necessity is not one who behaves in that manner out of choice.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on mixing with the kuffaar and treating them kindly hoping that they will become Muslim. He replied:

Undoubtedly the Muslim is obliged to HATE the enemies of Allaah and to disavow them, because this is the way of the Messengers and their followers...

Based on this, it is not permissible for a Muslim to feel any love in his heart towards the enemies of Allaah who are in fact his enemies too...

But if a Muslim treats them with KINDNESS and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim ... (Question #59879: What is meant by taking the kuffaar as friends? Ruling on mixing with the kuffaar; bold and capital emphasis ours)​

Further discussion: Sunni Muslims and Taqiyyah

Comparative Index to Islam : TAQIYA; TAQIYYA; TAQIYYAH

When Sunni says that Taqiya is solely a Shia practice, that in itself is an example of Taqiya

He's taqiyaing us about taqiya

 

[Sunni Man]

It's not want Sunni Man says........but what Wikipedia says. ..

Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

It's not want Sunni Man says........but what Wikipedia says. ..

Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

However, there are examples of practicing taqiyya among Sunnis where it was necessary.[5]

 

[Mojo2]

...........................................^^ That is just one Imam's personal opinion and isn't binding on any Sunni muslims. ..

It isn't BINDING on any Sunni Muslims, however, those who choose to believe his interpretation certainly may.

Which means you can "Taq" all you wish seeing as your location lists you as residing in Dar al Harb.

Dar al-Harb (Domain of War) refers to the territory under the hegemony of unbelievers.

 

[Sunni Man]

...........................................^^ That is just one Imam's personal opinion and isn't binding on any Sunni muslims. ..

It isn't BINDING on any Sunni Muslims, however, those who choose to believe his interpretation certainly may.

Which means you can "Taq" all you wish seeing as your location lists you as residing in Dar al Harb.

[/I]

Incorrect.

The school of Islam that I follow forbids any form of lying/deception except during a time of armed conflict. ..