Allow us to install smart meters or lose your water ...

[rightwinger]

Instead of having to send a meter reader to your house and right down a monthly water reading, someone can click a mouse and see how much water you have used.......It is called progress

Just because some 81 year old Luddite fears the government reading her thoughts is not justification for another whiny thread

So Gen Patraeous was lying when he said "We're spying on you through your appliances"?:

CIA Chief: We'll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher | Danger Room | Wired.com

“Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus said, “the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Item of Interest: Person.

And we know that through PRISM (Google that) the Gov't considers EVERYONE an "Item of Interest".

As an American Patriot....Gen Petraus is welcome to watch my dishwasher anytime he wishes

 

[Mad Scientist]

And the electricity smart meters do collect very detailed information which does make people vulnerable if the information is hacked.

There is no Hacking. All that info is collected through PRISM:

PRISM (surveillance program) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ravi]

... said the city of Baraboo, Wisconsin to an 81-year-old woman who

(a) has reason to believe that earlier smart meters installed on the outside of her house affected her heart and
(b) is a sharp cookie who is concerned about the privacy issues involved with smart meters.

81-year-old Baraboo woman has water shut off - WXOW News 19 La Crosse, WI ? News, Weather and Sports |


Smart meters collect extensive information about your activity, including for instance when your household alarms are on. This vital information about you is subject to hacking.

I heard her on the radio this morning and she is on the ball. She cares about both her health and the principle involved. People shouldn't be able to say, "make all the information about your comings and goings and other habits available to us, or you don't get utilities".

She's been without running water for two days now. Drinking bottled water, cooking and flushing with water brought over by people who've heard of her plight, doing her laundry and bathing at her daughter's house.

She's gonna tough this out.

May Baraboo feel the heat of bad press!

So Baraboo, Wisconsin, is punishing an 81-year old woman who lived through the Depression, WWII deprivations, et al, and is ignoring her issue with losing her privacy?

Morons.

Ignoring her health concerns too.

The first smart meter was installed outside and she didn't know about it. She started having odd health problems -- yeah, yeah, I hear the people saying, "she's 81, of course she's going to have heart problems" but whatever -- she started having problems. She went to a doctor. The doctor saw nothing in her body which would explain the symptoms she was experiencing. She made the connection about the smart meter outdoors. Then another smart meter was installed outdoors, and her problems got worse. And now they want to put one inside.

I haven't done all the research. I have heard enough to think there is legitimate concern. And the electricity smart meters do collect very detailed information which does make people vulnerable if the information is hacked.

Whatever anyone else thinks about the privacy or health issues, it was stunningly stupid to cut off her water.

This doesn't even make sense. The poor thing sounds like she's demented. Why on earth would they put three meters when only one is needed.

 

[National Socialist]

Instead of having to send a meter reader to your house and right down a monthly water reading, someone can click a mouse and see how much water you have used.......It is called progress

Just because some 81 year old Luddite fears the government reading her thoughts is not justification for another whiny thread

So Gen Patraeous was lying when he said "We're spying on you through your appliances"?:

CIA Chief: We'll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher | Danger Room | Wired.com

“Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters — all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing,” Petraeus said, “the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing.”

Item of Interest: Person.

And we know that through PRISM (Google that) the Gov't considers EVERYONE an "Item of Interest".

As an American Patriot....Gen Petraus is welcome to watch my dishwasher anytime he wishes

WOW...the brainwashing in this one is sufficient.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There's nothing about politics that I love more than how issues like this make such strange bedfellows.

I've been involved in an anti-Smart Meter campaign here in San Francisco - and the people here protesting the Smart Meters are what you guys would consider environmentalist socialist nazi terrorists.

 

[rightwinger]

So Gen Patraeous was lying when he said "We're spying on you through your appliances"?:

CIA Chief: We'll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher | Danger Room | Wired.com
Item of Interest: Person.

And we know that through PRISM (Google that) the Gov't considers EVERYONE an "Item of Interest".

As an American Patriot....Gen Petraus is welcome to watch my dishwasher anytime he wishes

WOW...the brainwashing in this one is sufficient.

I'm also willing to notify the good General anytime I use my garbage disposal

I'll throw in my toilet if he likes

 

[Billo_Really]

Wait a minute. How does a smart water meter monitor power usage anyway and why?

With a flow meter. And it doesn't measure power, it measures volume.

 

[Billo_Really]

They don't...the power meter ones might, but the power from your alarm isn't going to be detectable any more than when your A/C or refer kicks on. Ludicrous.

Wrong. Motor loads have a high inrush of current when they start. It's called "locked rotor current", which is a lot greater than the milliamps of an alarm system.

Let's say you have a 1hp motor at 120V. That's a running load of 16A. However, when the motor starts, it can draw up to 22A, before coming down to its running load.

As for alarm amps, smart meters start at .20 milliamps. So they will record anything above that value.

 

[Amelia]

So Baraboo, Wisconsin, is punishing an 81-year old woman who lived through the Depression, WWII deprivations, et al, and is ignoring her issue with losing her privacy?

Morons.

Ignoring her health concerns too.

The first smart meter was installed outside and she didn't know about it. She started having odd health problems -- yeah, yeah, I hear the people saying, "she's 81, of course she's going to have heart problems" but whatever -- she started having problems. She went to a doctor. The doctor saw nothing in her body which would explain the symptoms she was experiencing. She made the connection about the smart meter outdoors. Then another smart meter was installed outdoors, and her problems got worse. And now they want to put one inside.

I haven't done all the research. I have heard enough to think there is legitimate concern. And the electricity smart meters do collect very detailed information which does make people vulnerable if the information is hacked.

Whatever anyone else thinks about the privacy or health issues, it was stunningly stupid to cut off her water.

This doesn't even make sense. The poor thing sounds like she's demented. Why on earth would they put three meters when only one is needed.

Three different utility companies.

Electricity and gas on the outside. Water on the inside.


She was above average in her ability to articulate her concerns on the radio.

 

[rightwinger]

I think 81 yr old granny misses having that meter reader visit her house

 

[Ravi]

There's nothing about politics that I love more than how issues like this make such strange bedfellows.

I've been involved in an anti-Smart Meter campaign here in San Francisco - and the people here protesting the Smart Meters are what you guys would consider environmentalist socialist nazi terrorists.

Why?

 

[Ravi]

I think 81 yr old granny misses having that meter reader visit her house

He was hot.

 

[Amelia]

LOL! They affect your health in the same way wifi or cell phones would.

Who the hell stands with their body pressed against a utility meter?

And they certainly don't keep track of people's comings and goings and alarms. What a load of BS.

They monitor power usage. Your security system uses more current when it is in an "alarm" condition, than it does when it is in "stand-by" mode. So, the smart meter does know when your alarms go off.

Wait a minute. How does a smart water meter monitor power usage anyway and why?

More than one meter is under discussion here. Power, gas and water.

 

[depotoo]

Like in Florida, GE will work closely with ComEd and make the meters in Illinois. “We set up a Florida manufacturing facility to assemble and test the meters, and then shipped an average of 25,000 meters per week to 20 different warehouses across the state,” says GE’s Jim Roomy who managed the FPL project. “By manufacturing the meters locally, we were able to reliably deliver meters on time to FPL crews to install, which was essential to maintaining the rigorous implementation schedule.”

Anne Pramaggiore, ComEd’s CEO, said that the deal will provide Chicago with “new ways to save energy and money,” benefitting the Illinois economy.

The Electric Power Research institute estimates that by 2020, smart grid technologies could decrease the cost of power interruptions across the U.S. by 75 percent and potentially save American industry $150 billion. Utilities have already installed 37 million smart meters in the U.S., and GE engineers are already exploring new ways to make the grid more interactive. Systems like Grid IQ Insight can link electrical substations and transformers to the smart meters, smart appliances, Google maps, tree-spotting satellites, and even social media like Twitter, and pool the data in the cloud. Essentially, the power grid becomes the electrical equivalent of the Industrial Internet.

Smart Move: Big Data Leads America?s Multi-Billion Grid Overhaul | GE Reports
new smart appliances that can interact -

Connected Home Manager, Energy Monitor | GE Nucleus

Personally I see this as intrusive. I don't want my utility or its systems to have the ability to know what appliances I use, etc. That is my choice and they have no right to that info. As we are all well aware there are hackers out there that could do just that and sell that info and I could then be bombarded. I would not also put it past the electric companies to increase someone's rate eventually if they are not all smart appliances within the home.

I have also read that law enforcement is wanting to get in on the action.

 

[Ravi]

Ignoring her health concerns too.

The first smart meter was installed outside and she didn't know about it. She started having odd health problems -- yeah, yeah, I hear the people saying, "she's 81, of course she's going to have heart problems" but whatever -- she started having problems. She went to a doctor. The doctor saw nothing in her body which would explain the symptoms she was experiencing. She made the connection about the smart meter outdoors. Then another smart meter was installed outdoors, and her problems got worse. And now they want to put one inside.

I haven't done all the research. I have heard enough to think there is legitimate concern. And the electricity smart meters do collect very detailed information which does make people vulnerable if the information is hacked.

Whatever anyone else thinks about the privacy or health issues, it was stunningly stupid to cut off her water.

This doesn't even make sense. The poor thing sounds like she's demented. Why on earth would they put three meters when only one is needed.

Three different utility companies.

Electricity and gas on the outside. Water on the inside.


She was above average in her ability to articulate her concerns on the radio.

Parker is part of a movement of people who say the meters are the government’s way of keeping tabs on people. They say the meters send out radio frequencies that add to a person’s exposure to radiation.

Baraboo Utility Superintendent Wade Peterson said those concerns are overblown. The meters use a 1-second pulse every four hours to transmit data to a city server, he said, adding that the radiation from that pulse is less than what is emitted by a microwave or cell phone.

The smart meters also typically are installed on the outside of a residence, making them even less of a concern, he said.

Smart meter holdouts lose city water : Baraboo News Republic

 

[Ravi]

Ah, here we go, the source of all insanity: conservatives.

Asked to provide evidence that the smart meters installed on her home monitor her indoor activities, Parker cited an article on the website americanpolicy.org, which is run by a conservative Washington-based think tank that opposes government policies related to sustainable development, smart growth and other measures that seek to plan for the future or conserve resources.

Smart meter holdouts lose city water : Baraboo News Republic

 

[rightwinger]

Like in Florida, GE will work closely with ComEd and make the meters in Illinois. “We set up a Florida manufacturing facility to assemble and test the meters, and then shipped an average of 25,000 meters per week to 20 different warehouses across the state,” says GE’s Jim Roomy who managed the FPL project. “By manufacturing the meters locally, we were able to reliably deliver meters on time to FPL crews to install, which was essential to maintaining the rigorous implementation schedule.”

Anne Pramaggiore, ComEd’s CEO, said that the deal will provide Chicago with “new ways to save energy and money,” benefitting the Illinois economy.

The Electric Power Research institute estimates that by 2020, smart grid technologies could decrease the cost of power interruptions across the U.S. by 75 percent and potentially save American industry $150 billion. Utilities have already installed 37 million smart meters in the U.S., and GE engineers are already exploring new ways to make the grid more interactive. Systems like Grid IQ Insight can link electrical substations and transformers to the smart meters, smart appliances, Google maps, tree-spotting satellites, and even social media like Twitter, and pool the data in the cloud. Essentially, the power grid becomes the electrical equivalent of the Industrial Internet.

Smart Move: Big Data Leads America?s Multi-Billion Grid Overhaul | GE Reports
new smart appliances that can interact -

Connected Home Manager, Energy Monitor | GE Nucleus

Personally I see this as intrusive. I don't want my utility or its systems to have the ability to know what appliances I use, etc. That is my choice and they have no right to that info. As we are all well aware there are hackers out there that could do just that and sell that info and I could then be bombarded. I would not also put it past the electric companies to increase someone's rate eventually if they are not all smart appliances within the home.

I have also read that law enforcement is wanting to get in on the action.

The Electric Power Research institute estimates that by 2020, smart grid technologies could decrease the cost of power interruptions across the U.S. by 75 percent and potentially save American industry $150 billion. Utilities have already installed 37 million smart meters in the U.S., and GE engineers are already exploring new ways to make the grid more interactive. Systems like Grid IQ Insight can link electrical substations and transformers to the smart meters, smart appliances, Google maps, tree-spotting satellites, and even social media like Twitter, and pool the data in the cloud. Essentially, the power grid becomes the electrical equivalent of the Industrial Internet.



The Bastards!

 

[rightwinger]

Ah, here we go, the source of all insanity: conservatives.

Asked to provide evidence that the smart meters installed on her home monitor her indoor activities, Parker cited an article on the website americanpolicy.org, which is run by a conservative Washington-based think tank that opposes government policies related to sustainable development, smart growth and other measures that seek to plan for the future or conserve resources.

Smart meter holdouts lose city water : Baraboo News Republic

Efficient power grids reduce the need for oil

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

(a) has reason to believe that earlier smart meters installed on the outside of her house affected her heart and

lol!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

.

Smart meters collect extensive information about your activity, including for instance when your household alarms are on.

For fucking water? Yeah right.