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You know g5000 is so completely full of shit it is laughable. He calls the OP's thread "bogus," yet he presents no evidence. I call him on it and he says nothing....and he has nothing.
Then he says if your employer based plan gets cancelled you will automatically get something better. I say, "but wait, the President said if I like my plan, I can keep my plan." Is the President a liar?
Again silence.
Any idiot can deny shit or make shit up. This is a message board where you present your opinion or ideas. If you cannot defend them in any way they are basically worthless. Just saying.....
I referred you to the posts I made with the evidence which solidly debunks Fox News' claim. Even provided a link.
Nice try.
I for the life of me can not understand what is going through the head of someone who doesn't take into account whether or not someone can actually afford to "improve" or "upgrade" from their current plan. Whether that be an individual or a group, or an employer.
it's like the twilight zone with this.
Fox, CNN, The New York Times, Forbes, The National Review, etc are not lying. If you don't like Fox read the link to the National Review story I posted above.
You saying something is not true is worth exactly nothing. Comment on the specifics of the story. Then there can be a real discussion. Otherwise, it is utter bullshit.
For the mentally challenged, I will repeat myself. Again.
The FACTS are that, in 2010, the Obama Administration predicted that 40 to 66 percent of businesses which sponsor health insurance for their employees would lose their grandfather status between 2011 and 2013. Those companies which provided health insurance to their employees before the enactment of the ACA were grandfathered from having to meet the minimum requirements of the ACA. But if they substantially changed their polices after enactment, they lost their grandfather status.
Got that? Would lose their grandfather status, NOT cancel their policies. And the period was from 2011 to the end of 2013. That is what the Obama Adminstration was talking about in the federal register. Go and look for yourselves. They never predictied 80 million people would lose their insurance. Faux News is lying to you. Flat out lying.
But then anyone who listens to Faux News deserves to be lied to.
Well, here we are, the end of 2013. A lot of companies have lost their grandfather status. Have 80 million people been disenrolled from employer sponsored health insurance?
Nope.
Have you bothered to go to your HR department and ask about this?
Probably not. Because you think Faux News is telling you the fair and balanced truth.
Many of you who have employer sponsored insurance may very well be working for a company that has already lost its grandfather status, and yet your company has no intention of cancelling your insurance.
The "experts" who wrote this hack piece of shit don't understand even the simplest workings of this program.
Most companies which sponsor insurance for their employees already provide insurance which EXCEEDS the requirements of the ACA. If they made a change to their policies since the enactment of the ACA, they lost their grandfather status. That DOES NOT automatically imply they will suddenly decide to stop insuring you, and it DOES NOT automatically mean they fall below ACA standards.
Go to your HR department. Don't take the word of Faux News, for chrissakes.
Here is the link to the Federal Register: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-06-17/pdf/2010-14488.pdf
Read it, and see for yourselves.
Under this assumption, the Departments mid-range estimate is that
66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will
relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates
are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans,
respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end
estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively.
The words "cancel" nor "cancelled" appear anywhere in the Register.
Here is what Fox News just claimed:
In fact, according to the Federal Register, its mid-range estimate was that by the end of 2014, 76 percent of small group plans would be cancelled, along with 55 percent of large employer plans.
You now can see Fox News lied. Flat out lied.
Stop regurgitating the piss of hack media outlets, or else you deserve to be lied to as much as a reader of the National Enquirer, and are just as gullible.
Internal Obama Administration numbers have been found saying 55% of people with employer sponsored insurance will lose their plans as soon as the employer mandate kicks in.
g, what does 'lose grandfather status' mean?
Fox, CNN, The New York Times, Forbes, The National Review, etc are not lying. If you don't like Fox read the link to the National Review story I posted above.
You saying something is not true is worth exactly nothing. Comment on the specifics of the story. Then there can be a real discussion. Otherwise, it is utter bullshit.
They are all based on a bullshit story in Forbes a couple weeks ago.
Your lawyer may have problems. The word I am getting is that the lack of case law and other court decisions is so bad that hard numbers on different options don't really exist yet. Because compliant non-exchange policies and different ways of running compliant medical care has not yet made it through the courts moving what operations you can to a non-compliant state and using a labor contractor at all sites is probably the safety play until the situation clears up.If those plans aren't up to aca regulation specs, how do you reconcile that they will be allowed to keep their plans? I cover 49 employees and the plan that I have offered, through a small business pact with several other owners, doesn't satisfy those standards.
Some things you might find useful:
Open for enrollment now, small employers with generally up to 50 employees will have access to the new health care insurance marketplaces through the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP). Currently, small businesses may pay on average 18% more than big businesses for health insurance because of administrative costs. SHOP offers small employers increased purchasing power to obtain a better choice of high-quality coverage at a lower cost. Costs are lowered because small employers can pool their risk. To enroll, eligible employers must have an office within the service area of the SHOP and offer SHOP coverage to all full-time employees. In 2016, employers with up to 100 employees will be able to participate in SHOP.
SBA.gov
I've checked that out and am looking into an intermediary way of offering health insurance to my employees by circumventing the aca. I've hired legal counsel and so far its looks like it may be possible. Im about to cross the threshold of 50.
So Fox News is lying? Right. How about Forbes, CNN, the New York Times or The National Review among many others. Why do liberals always lie? It is easy to google the story and get the real facts, but libtards would rather lie like their Messiah. Here is another source saying exactly the same thing.
In 2010, Administration Predicted 'Majority' of Employer-Based Health Plans Would Disappear | National Review Online
For the mentally challenged, I will repeat myself. Again.
The FACTS are that, in 2010, the Obama Administration predicted that 40 to 66 percent of businesses which sponsor health insurance for their employees would lose their grandfather status between 2011 and 2013. Those companies which provided health insurance to their employees before the enactment of the ACA were grandfathered from having to meet the minimum requirements of the ACA. But if they substantially changed their polices after enactment, they lost their grandfather status.
Got that? Would lose their grandfather status, NOT cancel their policies. And the period was from 2011 to the end of 2013. That is what the Obama Adminstration was talking about in the federal register. Go and look for yourselves. They never predictied 80 million people would lose their insurance. Faux News is lying to you. Flat out lying.
But then anyone who listens to Faux News deserves to be lied to.
Well, here we are, the end of 2013. A lot of companies have lost their grandfather status. Have 80 million people been disenrolled from employer sponsored health insurance?
Nope.
Have you bothered to go to your HR department and ask about this?
Probably not. Because you think Faux News is telling you the fair and balanced truth.
Many of you who have employer sponsored insurance may very well be working for a company that has already lost its grandfather status, and yet your company has no intention of cancelling your insurance.
The "experts" who wrote this hack piece of shit don't understand even the simplest workings of this program.
Most companies which sponsor insurance for their employees already provide insurance which EXCEEDS the requirements of the ACA. If they made a change to their policies since the enactment of the ACA, they lost their grandfather status. That DOES NOT automatically imply they will suddenly decide to stop insuring you, and it DOES NOT automatically mean they fall below ACA standards.
Go to your HR department. Don't take the word of Faux News, for chrissakes.
Here is the link to the Federal Register: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-06-17/pdf/2010-14488.pdf
Read it, and see for yourselves.
Under this assumption, the Departments mid-range estimate is that
66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will
relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates
are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans,
respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end
estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively.
The words "cancel" nor "cancelled" appear anywhere in the Register.
Here is what Fox News just claimed:
In fact, according to the Federal Register, its mid-range estimate was that by the end of 2014, 76 percent of small group plans would be cancelled, along with 55 percent of large employer plans.
You now can see Fox News lied. Flat out lied.
Stop regurgitating the piss of hack media outlets, or else you deserve to be lied to as much as a reader of the National Enquirer, and are just as gullible.
Fox, CNN, The New York Times, Forbes, The National Review, etc are not lying. If you don't like Fox read the link to the National Review story I posted above.
You saying something is not true is worth exactly nothing. Comment on the specifics of the story. Then there can be a real discussion. Otherwise, it is utter bullshit.
They are all based on a bullshit story in Forbes a couple weeks ago.
You calling it bullshit means absolutely nothing. All of the news organizations reporting this story are reputable. A number of well respected think tanks have all reached the same conclusions. Should we trust you, or the about two dozen news outlets and think tanks that have studied and reported on the issue?
g, what does 'lose grandfather status' mean?
Internal Obama Administration numbers have been found saying 55% of people with employer sponsored insurance will lose their plans as soon as the employer mandate kicks in.
Prove this claim.
Show me the evidence.
I have linked to the Federal Register for you, so it should be a piece of cake to quote from it to prove your claim.
Losing grandfather status means plans are not acceptable to the government.
g, what does 'lose grandfather status' mean?
it means the cancellation of the policies you like.
But don't expect the obamabots to admit it.
Now he claims "as the administration predicted it" - but the administration LIED all the way up yo October 1 "if you like your plan -you will keep it ".
And I can bet during those years all obamabots, including g were singing the same tune
So Fox News is lying? Right. How about Forbes, CNN, the New York Times or The National Review among many others. Why do liberals always lie? It is easy to google the story and get the real facts, but libtards would rather lie like their Messiah. Here is another source saying exactly the same thing.
In 2010, Administration Predicted 'Majority' of Employer-Based Health Plans Would Disappear | National Review Online
Show me the New York Times and CNN reporting this.
Back in 2010, the Obama Administration estimated that millions of plans would lose the grandfathered status, making all of Obama's keep your plan statements utter lies.
% of Employer Plans losing grandfathered status in 2013:
Low estimate: 39%
Mid estimate: 51%
High estimate: 69%
The Magnitude of the Lie | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier
If Obama had told the truth, it is highly likely he would not be President today. He lied to get reelected - and even worse, led a scheme to defraud American citizens.
Losing grandfather status means plans are not acceptable to the government.
Wrong.
You have no clue.
Losing grandfather status means they changed their policy to the point it is no longer the one which was grandfathered. It does not automatically mean they do not meet the ACA minimum standards.
