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If those plans aren't up to aca regulation specs, how do you reconcile that they will be allowed to keep their plans? I cover 49 employees and the plan that I have offered, through a small business pact with several other owners, doesn't satisfy those standards.
I have explained this the umpteen other times this rumor has come up.
But first, you have less than 50 full time employees, so you are not subject to the employer mandate.
For those who are subject to the mandate, they will have two choices IF they lose their grandfather status and IF they have more than 50 full time employees and IF they do not meet the ACA standards.
The first option will be to improve their plans. This will result in employees having BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
The second option will be to stop sponsoring insurance for their employees. This is the dreaded "cancelled policies". It will be nowhere near 80 million people.
In this stuation, the employer will be assessed a fine which will be used toward the insurance their employees will get through an insurance exchange. So, again, the employees will have BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
For many, if not most, employees who get insurance through their employer, their workplace insurance plans already exceed the ACA requirements before there even was such a thing as the ACA. For these people, if their employer loses their grandfather status, it will have no effect. Which is why I have said in every topic about this is that people just need to go and speak with their HR department to see if I tell the truth. They will quickly discover Fox News is full of shit.
That's still not reconciliation. I knew that much. Again, differing coverages will be subjected to higher premiums and deductibles based on what is offered in these plans. Prices will rise. Who is to say what I should or should not have in my plan? Apparently, govt does and has mandated that the individual pay a higher premium for such coverage.....even if he/she does not want it. There's nothing yay about that.
If those plans aren't up to aca regulation specs, how do you reconcile that they will be allowed to keep their plans? I cover 49 employees and the plan that I have offered, through a small business pact with several other owners, doesn't satisfy those standards.
I have explained this the umpteen other times this rumor has come up.
But first, you have less than 50 full time employees, so you are not subject to the employer mandate.
For those who are subject to the mandate, they will have two choices IF they lose their grandfather status and IF they have more than 50 full time employees and IF they do not meet the ACA standards.
The first option will be to improve their plans. This will result in employees having BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
The second option will be to stop sponsoring insurance for their employees. This is the dreaded "cancelled policies". It will be nowhere near 80 million people.
In this stuation, the employer will be assessed a fine which will be used toward the insurance their employees will get through an insurance exchange. So, again, the employees will have BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
For many, if not most, employees who get insurance through their employer, their workplace insurance plans already exceed the ACA requirements before there even was such a thing as the ACA. For these people, if their employer loses their grandfather status, it will have no effect. Which is why I have said in every topic about this is that people just need to go and speak with their HR department to see if I tell the truth. They will quickly discover Fox News is full of shit.
This is virtually all complete bullshit, but assuming it is true for a second, it raises one major question.
Is Obama a liar or not? I like my employer based plan. I want to keep it. I do not need some assholes in Washington telling me what I want or need.
So can I keep my employer based plan?
Sure it has relevance if you're going around saying that people will lose their plan and they are getting another one.
Lies by omission
Except it isn't. There is no guarantee that an employer will be able to afford the new plan. There is no guarantee that the plan will be "better". The ONLY guarantee at this juncture, is that if you liked your plan, you can not keep your plan. Period.
But its possible all those things can and will happen so stop telling half the story if you want to look the least bit credible
If those plans aren't up to aca regulation specs, how do you reconcile that they will be allowed to keep their plans? I cover 49 employees and the plan that I have offered, through a small business pact with several other owners, doesn't satisfy those standards.
Some things you might find useful:
The small business Health Care Tax Credit helps small employers afford the cost of health care coverage for their employees and is specifically targeted for those employers with low- and moderate-income workers. The credit is designed to encourage small employers to offer health insurance coverage for the first time or maintain coverage they already have
Open for enrollment now, small employers with generally up to 50 employees will have access to the new health care insurance marketplaces through the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP). Currently, small businesses may pay on average 18% more than big businesses for health insurance because of administrative costs. SHOP offers small employers increased purchasing power to obtain a better choice of high-quality coverage at a lower cost. Costs are lowered because small employers can pool their risk. To enroll, eligible employers must have an office within the service area of the SHOP and offer SHOP coverage to all full-time employees. In 2016, employers with up to 100 employees will be able to participate in SHOP.
SBA.gov
Funny, yet again, you've completely overlooked the elephant in the room, g5000;
THE COST OF UPGRADING THESE PLANS.
It's as though you WANT to leave this important morsel out because when you add it in, it becomes a little more clear whether or not what you're saying is true.
SO, what happens when employers can not afford to"upgrade" the group plans to become compliant? When these individuals now have to go to the exchange, where they are likely to experience what individuals are experiencing now - price increases they can not afford?
What then? Suck an egg? Eat cake?
And your personal assessment on how many people are going to become casualties to Obama Tax is irrelevant. 80 million is a lot. But even if 1 million people lose their plan, well, that's just tough shit, right? Pay more! Oh, what you can not afford more? Eat cake!
I for the life of me can not understand what is going through the head of someone who doesn't take into account whether or not someone can actually afford to "improve" or "upgrade" from their current plan. Whether that be an individual or a group, or an employer.
it's like the twilight zone with this.
Fox News is lying to you. See posts 13 and 14 in this topic: http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...l-outcome-of-80-million-employees-losing.html
If those plans aren't up to aca regulation specs, how do you reconcile that they will be allowed to keep their plans? I cover 49 employees and the plan that I have offered, through a small business pact with several other owners, doesn't satisfy those standards.
I have explained this the umpteen other times this rumor has come up.
But first, you have less than 50 full time employees, so you are not subject to the employer mandate.
For those who are subject to the mandate, they will have two choices IF they lose their grandfather status and IF they have more than 50 full time employees and IF they do not meet the ACA standards.
The first option will be to improve their plans. This will result in employees having BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
The second option will be to stop sponsoring insurance for their employees. This is the dreaded "cancelled policies". It will be nowhere near 80 million people.
In this stuation, the employer will be assessed a fine which will be used toward the insurance their employees will get through an insurance exchange. So, again, the employees will have BETTER coverage than they did before. Yay!
For many, if not most, employees who get insurance through their employer, their workplace insurance plans already exceed the ACA requirements before there even was such a thing as the ACA. For these people, if their employer loses their grandfather status, it will have no effect. Which is why I have said in every topic about this is that people just need to go and speak with their HR department to see if I tell the truth. They will quickly discover Fox News is full of shit.
I for the life of me can not understand what is going through the head of someone who doesn't take into account whether or not someone can actually afford to "improve" or "upgrade" from their current plan. Whether that be an individual or a group, or an employer.
it's like the twilight zone with this.
That is not the topic. The topic is Fox News claiming the Obama Adminstration said up to 80 million people would have their employer's insurance cancelled.
That is a lie.
A bald-faced lie. A lie wrapped in a lie, with lie filling.
If you want to start another topic about how expensive ObamaCare is going to be, I will be right there singing in harmony with you, with plenty of links and charts! Let's bash ObamaCare to pieces with the truth.
Canceled is half the story....Getting a better or cheaper plan is the part they keep forgetting to mention.
Its like if David Blaine took your dollar and turned it into a $20. The OP would title it "David Blaine takes money from audience!"
That really has no relevance. The "shitty, crappy, bad" plan is subjective. My plan doesn't cover everything but it covers what I and my employees need at a lower price than sub par aca plans.
You know g5000 is so completely full of shit it is laughable. He calls the OP's thread "bogus," yet he presents no evidence. I call him on it and he says nothing....and he has nothing.
Then he says if your employer based plan gets cancelled you will automatically get something better. I say, "but wait, the President said if I like my plan, I can keep my plan." Is the President a liar?
Again silence.
Any idiot can deny shit or make shit up. This is a message board where you present your opinion or ideas. If you cannot defend them in any way they are basically worthless. Just saying.....
Canceled is half the story....Getting a better or cheaper plan is the part they keep forgetting to mention.
Its like if David Blaine took your dollar and turned it into a $20. The OP would title it "David Blaine takes money from audience!"
That really has no relevance. The "shitty, crappy, bad" plan is subjective. My plan doesn't cover everything but it covers what I and my employees need at a lower price than sub par aca plans.
So you feel absolutely sure that no one will have to worry about the things that your insurance policy doesn't cancel? That's the joke about health insurance in the first place.
It's great as long as you can predict and control what will or will not happen....Good luck.
Under this assumption, the Departments mid-range estimate is that
66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will
relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates
are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans,
respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end
estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively.
In fact, according to the Federal Register, its mid-range estimate was that by the end of 2014, 76 percent of small group plans would be cancelled, along with 55 percent of large employer plans.
If individuals that had policies had them cancelled because they did not fit Obama's idea of coverage then
of course those that have plans through their employers will have them cancelled as well...
Except it isn't. There is no guarantee that an employer will be able to afford the new plan. There is no guarantee that the plan will be "better". The ONLY guarantee at this juncture, is that if you liked your plan, you can not keep your plan. Period.
But its possible all those things can and will happen so stop telling half the story if you want to look the least bit credible
So the best you've got at this point, Closed...is that it's "possible" that the millions of Americans that will be losing their healthcare coverage will like their ACA alternative? Sorry to point out the obvious here but isn't also "possible" that they won't like or be able to afford that new ACA alternative? How did we pass something that we don't have a clue what it's going to do? Who was in charge of this fiasco...and why did they press ahead with something that was so obviously flawed?
