Alt-right protestor loses job after being outed

[Dragonlady]

Getting back to the OP, how many people here think an employer should be "allowed" to fire someone for their political beliefs?

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

You clearly have never been in a supervisory or hiring position and have no idea of corporate team building.

If you have anyone on your team who is disruptive to the work you're doing, they're a bad fit regardless of the skills they bring. One need only look at the dysfunction and problems at the White House to see what happens when team members don't get along.

 

[Vastator]

Getting back to the OP, how many people here think an employer should be "allowed" to fire someone for their political beliefs?

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

You clearly have never been in a supervisory or hiring position and have no idea of corporate team building.

If you have anyone on your team who is disruptive to the work you're doing, they're a bad fit regardless of the skills they bring. One need only look at the dysfunction and problems at the White House to see what happens when team members don't get along.

Once again your reckless, unfounded assumptions have led you to an erroneous conclusion... Bad habit...

When it comes to employees; being disruptive is grounds to terminate, regardless of the impetus. Whether it be religious, political, or anything else. People are allowed to believe whatever tbey wish in this country. Even those you disagree with.

 

[Vastator]

Getting back to the OP, how many people here think an employer should be "allowed" to fire someone for their political beliefs?

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

Unless you signed them to work here in tbe US; your anecdotal story is irrelevant.

 

[dblack]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

 

[dblack]

Getting back to the OP, how many people here think an employer should be "allowed" to fire someone for their political beliefs?

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

You clearly have never been in a supervisory or hiring position and have no idea of corporate team building.

If you have anyone on your team who is disruptive to the work you're doing, they're a bad fit regardless of the skills they bring. One need only look at the dysfunction and problems at the White House to see what happens when team members don't get along.

"Protected Classes" precedent says otherwise.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

Unless you signed them to work here in tbe US; your anecdotal story is irrelevant.

Have you ever signed a contract ?

 

[dblack]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

As does a Christian, or a Muslim ... A Democrat? A Republican?

what's your point?

 

[Vastator]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

 

[dblack]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

That's debatable, and the debate is over science, which isn't really relevant to the argument. But clearly a socialist has a choice. Or a Christian or a Muslim. Tommy Tainant, Dragonlady - what say you? Should a business owner be allowed to fire a socialist, or a Christian, or a Muslim, if their beliefs caused the business "disrepute" with its customers?

 

[Vastator]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

That's debatable, and the debate is over science, which isn't really relevant to the argument. But clearly a socialist has a choice. Or a Christian or a Muslim. Tommy Tainant, Dragonlady - what say you? Should a business owner be allowed to fire a socialist, or a Christian, or a Muslim, if their beliefs caused the business "disrepute" with its customers?

The simple and obvious answer is "no". But it sure is fun to watch these two contort themselves into knots trying find a way to discriminate against those they dont like; while trying to pass themselves off as tolerant of diversity. The answer is simple. Theyre hipocrites. And only push tolerance of what they support. And shout down, and try to silence that which they dont support. Typical fascism.

 

[dblack]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

That's debatable, and the debate is over science, which isn't really relevant to the argument. But clearly a socialist has a choice. Or a Christian or a Muslim. Tommy Tainant, Dragonlady - what say you? Should a business owner be allowed to fire a socialist, or a Christian, or a Muslim, if their beliefs caused the business "disrepute" with its customers?

The simple and obvious answer is "no". But it sure is fun to watch these two contort themselves into knots trying find a way to discriminate against those they dont like; while trying to pass themselves off a tolerant of diversity. The answer is simple. Theyre hipocrites. And only push tolerance of what tbey support. And shout down, and try to silence that which they dont support. Typical fascism.

Heh..I actually think the simple and obvious answer is "yes". But clearly hypocrisy abounds.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's amazing how such a simple thing is so wildly misconstrued.

The racists, misogynists and white supremacists have been emboldened by the election of Donald Trump, and they slithered out from under their rocks in droves to vote for him. They are the lowlife bottom feeders of his base. But they have grossly miscalculated the response they'd receive.

More importantly, the Republican Party can no longer pretend that Trump isn't sympathetic to their white supremacist agenda. More and more Republicans are realizing the danger a Trump Presidency poses to the republic.

Back in Dallas when five police officers were shot by the BLM crazy, Obama gave a statement that didn't condemn the BLM, I didn't jump Obama for that nor will I jump Trump for this. I try to stay consistent.

None of the police officers who were killed anywhere in the US were killed by members of BLM. The shooter in Dallas was an ex-marine who wanted to kill white people.

It was inevitable that anger over police killing unarmed black people would lead to blacks killing cops. It's not like the general population, blacks included, isn't armed. Viral videos of cops body slamming kids at a birthday party, shooting people on their knees execution style, and rolling up and just shooting an 11 year old with a toy gun, are very inflammatory. As we saw in Charlotte, the US has a huge race problem.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Would you like me to post a picture of that "toy" gun next to the real gun it was copied from and see if you can tell the difference? The officers had no idea that the 5' 9" 180 lbs suspect was a 12 year old.


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They pulled up and gunned that child down. Not a warning, not a "Hands up", nothing. They just pulled up and shot the kid.

You got the clip?

 

[Vastator]

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

That's debatable, and the debate is over science, which isn't really relevant to the argument. But clearly a socialist has a choice. Or a Christian or a Muslim. Tommy Tainant, Dragonlady - what say you? Should a business owner be allowed to fire a socialist, or a Christian, or a Muslim, if their beliefs caused the business "disrepute" with its customers?

The simple and obvious answer is "no". But it sure is fun to watch these two contort themselves into knots trying find a way to discriminate against those they dont like; while trying to pass themselves off a tolerant of diversity. The answer is simple. Theyre hipocrites. And only push tolerance of what tbey support. And shout down, and try to silence that which they dont support. Typical fascism.

Heh..I actually think the simple and obvious answer is "yes". But clearly hypocrisy abounds.

Yes, or no... The hypocrisy comes into play, when its yes for one; and no for another. Or vise versa.

 

[Papageorgio]

Interesting question. If you have a diverse work force, it could cause a problem having neo-Nazi's or KKK in their midst. Or, if the person has become known to the community as holding those views, it could become a reflection of your business, as well. Look how many of the business CEO's went scrambling from the ship as soon as Trump flubbed his statements on the violence last week. You have to protect your image with the public. So I suppose employers may have a reason. But you know what? Maybe they should go back to keeping their views more quiet.

I wonder if that's part of the reason only a few dozen folks showed up to the Free Speech rally yesterday in Boston. There are plenty of racists in Boston, I know that for sure. Either they (1) aren't joiners, (2) think the costumes are stupid or (3) don't want their faces on world-wide news. Choose any one. It sure isn't that none exist in Boston.

Ridiculous. If you have a predominately Christian, or Jewish work force; would you raise the same concern about having Muslims in their midst? Even after San Bernardino? Of course you wouldn't. Discriminating against people simply for what they believe goes against everything American civil rights is supposed to be about. Isnt it? Or... Lemme guess... This is "different"? Lol...

It's one thing to have people of differing religions working together, and quite another to have people who believe that their co-workers or your customers are "inferior" because of the colour of the skin, or their religion. It's a matter of respect.

You can respect the beliefs of those who don't believe as you do. That's not difficult. But to claim superiority over others makes working in a racially diverse environment all but impossible.

Hiring employees is not just about their skills. You need people who fit into your corporate culture and get along with one another.

Your whole post is nothing more than excuse making, and apologetics. It comes down to beliefs. Pure, and simple.

You clearly have never been in a supervisory or hiring position and have no idea of corporate team building.

If you have anyone on your team who is disruptive to the work you're doing, they're a bad fit regardless of the skills they bring. One need only look at the dysfunction and problems at the White House to see what happens when team members don't get along.

Once again your reckless, unfounded assumptions have led you to an erroneous conclusion... Bad habit...

When it comes to employees; being disruptive is grounds to terminate, regardless of the impetus. Whether it be religious, political, or anything else. People are allowed to believe whatever tbey wish in this country. Even those you disagree with.

And a business is allowed to terminate an employee that they feel are detrimental to their business and image. If I had an employee go to a OWS, KKK, BLM event and violence broke out. I would rethink them being my employee.

 

[Papageorgio]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, it is a protected class.

 

[dblack]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, it is a protected class.

Again, I'm asking how you think it should be, not the current legal precedent.

 

[Papageorgio]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

There is no evidence to support your case, no genetics, nothing.

Drug addicts have a genetic disposition to addiction and you can fire them at will because they aren't a protected class.

 

[Papageorgio]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, it is a protected class.

Again, I'm asking how you think it should be, not the current legal precedent.

Yes, if their conduct is detrimental to the business, they should be released.

 

[Dragonlady]

Its just business. People dont want to give their money to haters so his Boss was protecting his business.

...

Every contract I have ever signed had a clause in it that stated I could be sacked if my out of work behaviour brought the company into disrepute by association.
So march with the KKK and find another job.

And the business owner serving mostly conservative Christian customers, who don't want to give their money to 'deviants', could offer the same excuse for firing a known homosexual, right?

Nope, that is hate,the homosexual employee has no choice. The nazi does.

So does the queer.

That's debatable, and the debate is over science, which isn't really relevant to the argument. But clearly a socialist has a choice. Or a Christian or a Muslim. Tommy Tainant, Dragonlady - what say you? Should a business owner be allowed to fire a socialist, or a Christian, or a Muslim, if their beliefs caused the business "disrepute" with its customers?

The simple and obvious answer is "no". But it sure is fun to watch these two contort themselves into knots trying find a way to discriminate against those they dont like; while trying to pass themselves off as tolerant of diversity. The answer is simple. Theyre hipocrites. And only push tolerance of what they support. And shout down, and try to silence that which they dont support. Typical fascism.

Diversity has nothing to do with whether or not to fire a Nazi.

Your example of whether to fire a person who is gay when your customers are conservative Christians is a logical fallacy since being gay doesn't impact how the employees treat others, which is the point of the discussion.