Alternatives on the rise

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

In Texas, Austin Energy signed a deal this spring for 20 years of output from a solar farm at less than 5 cents a kilowatt-hour. In September, the Grand River Dam Authority in Oklahoma announced its approval of a new agreement to buy power from a new wind farm expected to be completed next year. Grand River estimated the deal would save its customers roughly $50 million from the project.

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

“It is really quite notable, when compared to where we were just five years ago, to see the decline in the cost of these technologies,” said Jonathan Mir, a managing director at Lazard, which has been comparing the economics of power generation technologies since 2008.

Of course, the caveat is that the wind and solar are intermittant. Of course, as solar continues to fall in price, it will soon be below the price of coal generation without the subsidy.

So, is there a solution on the horizon concerning the intermittant nature of the alternatives?
 
man I don't know about the writers at the Nyslimes. but they are long winded.

You noticed they buried this at the bottom of the article:

Of course, the caveat is that the wind and solar are intermittent

But the Nyslimes is counting on all you stupid people not to read that far.

that rag should be used only for lining bird cages. so biased and pure PROPAGANDA
 
New Battery Startup Alevo Has Raised 1 Billion In Private Funding Looking To Blow Up US Energy Storage Industry CleanTechnica

The company’s plan is to sell the batteries as grid-scale energy storage devices. The battery has been in development for about a decade, in secret, according to those involved.

“We’ve been very stealth,” stated Jostein Eikeland, a Norwegian entrepreneur backing the company. “We didn’t know if we were going to succeed.”

The Alevo Group is currently aiming to begin manufacturing the batteries in 2015, at a large ex-cigarette-plant near Charlotte, North Carolina. The company’s expectation is that it will employ around 2,500 people within three years of opening.

Interestingly, the battery — developed by Alessandro Volta — will be produced without any state funding or incentives, but financed entirely through anonymous investors. Hmmm.

One billion dollars is a significant amount of money for a cleantech startup. Given the company’s plan of going straight into full production, and skipping the pilot project phase, the funding is, I suppose, necessary. But it certainly remains to be seen if the strategy will be a successful one.

The advantage of such an approach is obviously that economies of scale will be in play from the start — potentially allowing for “low-costs” from the start of production.

The company is aiming to produce and deliver roughly 200 MW worth of batteries in 2015.

A possible solution.
 
Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

Oncor, which runs Texas’ largest power line network, is willing to bet battery technology is ready for wide-scale deployment across the grid.

In a move that stands to radically shift the dynamics of the industry, Oncor is set to announce Monday that it is prepared to invest more than $2 billion to store electricity in thousands of batteries across North and West Texas beginning in 2018.

Utility-scale batteries have been a holy grail within the energy sector for years. With enough storage space, surplus electricity can be generated at night, when plants usually sit idle, to be used the next day, when demand is highest. Power outages would become less frequent. Wind and solar power, susceptible to weather conditions, could be built on a larger scale. The only problem has been that the price of batteries has been too high to make economic sense. But if they’re purchased on a large enough scale, that won’t be the case for long, said Oncor CEO Bob Shapard.

“Everyone assumed the price point was five to six years out. We’re getting indications from everyone we’ve talked to they can get us to that price by 2018,” he said in an interview Wednesday.

The Dallas-based transmission company is proposing the installation of 5,000 megawatts of batteries not just in its service area but across Texas’ entire grid. That is the equivalent of four nuclear power plants on a grid with a capacity of about 81,000 megawatts.

By 2020, we could see the phasing out of coal fired plants simply for reasons of economics. And the same for gas fired plants by 2030.
 
man I don't know about the writers at the Nyslimes. but they are long winded.

You noticed they buried this at the bottom of the article:

Of course, the caveat is that the wind and solar are intermittent

But the Nyslimes is counting on all you stupid people not to read that far.

that rag should be used only for lining bird cages. so biased and pure PROPAGANDA

That's why god made batteries.

And you're always welcome to post an opposing pov. That is, if it doesn't have too many words for you.
:uhoh3:
 
man I don't know about the writers at the Nyslimes. but they are long winded.

You noticed they buried this at the bottom of the article:

Of course, the caveat is that the wind and solar are intermittent

But the Nyslimes is counting on all you stupid people not to read that far.

that rag should be used only for lining bird cages. so biased and pure PROPAGANDA

Staph, you dumb fuck, look at the last line of the OP. Talk about stupid people failing to read far enough.
 
So there you have it folks, the wind and solar are already both competative with coal and gas, and the grid scale batteries look to be in the very near future.
 
Real information concerning the future of energy. And also good news. Both for reducing GHG production, and for the cost of energy for all of us. Yet the 'Conservatives' can only post negative comments.
 
So there you have it folks, the wind and solar are already both competative with coal and gas, and the grid scale batteries look to be in the very near future.
And yet at 1/5 the price they will still continue jacking their customers each month. And it is spelled competitive.
 
So there you have it folks, the wind and solar are already both competative with coal and gas, and the grid scale batteries look to be in the very near future.
And yet at 1/5 the price they will still continue jacking their customers each month. And it is spelled competitive.

Those same customers are free to buy their own solar systems, and batteries, and tell the utility to get it's lines off of their property.
 
OK, Dum-dum, find a site that says that the utilities involved are lying. I posted what they stated.
Don't need to CHERRY PICKER, your link states, "study says", and, "generously subsidized".

The government through rules, laws, regulations and a whole lot of propaganda has dictated the prices of both forms of Energy. Very different than the "cost" of each.

Old Crock, just cause the government gives people free solar and wind does not mean it's free, I pay for it through taxes.

So yes, what Old Crock claims is a lie, I don't need to link cause it's in the article old Crock posted. Old Crock don't read his own links, pretty lame, funny really. How many times have you done that old crock, contradicted your own link, moron!
 
Those same customers are free to buy their own solar systems, and batteries, and tell the utility to get it's lines off of their property.
Sadlt yin many places they aren't allowed to do that. That aside this is not just home energy.
 
OK, Dum-dum, find a site that says that the utilities involved are lying. I posted what they stated.
Don't need to CHERRY PICKER, your link states, "study says", and, "generously subsidized".

The government through rules, laws, regulations and a whole lot of propaganda has dictated the prices of both forms of Energy. Very different than the "cost" of each.

Old Crock, just cause the government gives people free solar and wind does not mean it's free, I pay for it through taxes.

So yes, what Old Crock claims is a lie, I don't need to link cause it's in the article old Crock posted. Old Crock don't read his own links, pretty lame, funny really. How many times have you done that old crock, contradicted your own link, moron!

Such a totally dumb fuck you are, Elektra. Cost sans subsidies is stated within the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=1

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

Suggest you repeat the third grade, there, old boy. You know, the part about reading?
 
OK, Dum-dum, find a site that says that the utilities involved are lying. I posted what they stated.
Don't need to CHERRY PICKER, your link states, "study says", and, "generously subsidized".

The government through rules, laws, regulations and a whole lot of propaganda has dictated the prices of both forms of Energy. Very different than the "cost" of each.

Old Crock, just cause the government gives people free solar and wind does not mean it's free, I pay for it through taxes.

So yes, what Old Crock claims is a lie, I don't need to link cause it's in the article old Crock posted. Old Crock don't read his own links, pretty lame, funny really. How many times have you done that old crock, contradicted your own link, moron!

Such a totally dumb fuck you are, Elektra. Cost sans subsidies is stated within the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=1

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

Suggest you repeat the third grade, there, old boy. You know, the part about reading?
the article is a pure CROCK, Old CROCK!
 
Yessireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee............................... Those ultra liberals in Texas are just lying about the installations they are building. And Oncor, the biggest utility in Texas has seen the writing on the wall and is planning on installing 5000 mw of grid scale batteries in it's grid, making wind and solar 24/7.
 
Yessireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee............................... Those ultra liberals in Texas are just lying about the installations they are building. And Oncor, the biggest utility in Texas has seen the writing on the wall and is planning on installing 5000 mw of grid scale batteries in it's grid, making wind and solar 24/7.
Nice idea, install obsolete expensive garbage, make the public pay for it.

The power of government is tyrannical.
 
OK, Dum-dum, find a site that says that the utilities involved are lying. I posted what they stated.
Don't need to CHERRY PICKER, your link states, "study says", and, "generously subsidized".

The government through rules, laws, regulations and a whole lot of propaganda has dictated the prices of both forms of Energy. Very different than the "cost" of each.

Old Crock, just cause the government gives people free solar and wind does not mean it's free, I pay for it through taxes.

So yes, what Old Crock claims is a lie, I don't need to link cause it's in the article old Crock posted. Old Crock don't read his own links, pretty lame, funny really. How many times have you done that old crock, contradicted your own link, moron!

Such a totally dumb fuck you are, Elektra. Cost sans subsidies is stated within the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=1

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

Suggest you repeat the third grade, there, old boy. You know, the part about reading?








No, it's not. Those ARE the subsidized rates silly person. Looks like it's YOU who needs the remedial reading comprehension classes.


You've been spewing this propaganda all over the place, and I've pointed out every time that it is BS. You being paid to shill this shit olfraud?
 

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