Am I the only one who supported the soda ban?

[Crackerjaxon]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

No, it's thinking like yours that presents the greatest threat to America.

It needs to be curbed.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

I do at 47 years old and have been at aound 165 lbs since I was 18 years old I could drinks gallons of soda and not put on a pound. its so foolish..

 

[Scorpion]

When are liberals going to give up the notion that, somehow, the government can provide them with an unattainable utopia?
Every time I read a thread like this, I think of the Harry Potter book in which the female 'professor' institutes new rules on a daily basis to control the students behaviors until they simply can't take it anymore.

What is wrong with you people?
Does the concept of 'free will' mean nothing until it affects you?

 

[Paulie]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

Like obese people aren't going to just buy 2 smaller sizes to make up for it.

This may be THE stupidest fucking piece of legislation ever thought up by ANYONE.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

So instead of ordering an extra large, they order two, because as you state people can't control themselves.

You can't control behavior, hell, we are giving condoms away because we can't control behavior. So with sex we can't control behavior but you think we can actually control food intake.

Why not make people responsible for their stupidity, instead of trying to control.

Do you really think making a stupid law of not selling an extra large soda is going to change a behavior? Really?

I will what I want, when I want it, and I don't need you or the government interfering with my diet. I very rarely drink pop, I think it is not good for people, I drink water and one cup of coffee a day.

It is my life not yours, not the governments, I'm not hurting anyone, so leave me alone.

So you want your taxes to pay for their diabetes. Groovy.

I know this will make you sad, but insurance is underwritten to cover every member of the insurance pool. Underwriters and actuaries take the needs of everyone into account when they set insurance rates.

As long as the government insists that everyone is in the pool, everyone will bear an equal responsibility to pay the costs.

Using insurance rates to harass and belittle people is both stupid and boorish.

The problem with socialist systems is that idiots like you are sometimes taken seriously.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

The worst things in history have been done for the "greater good."

 

[Clementine]

Do I have the choice to refuse to pay for their diabetes?

One liners like yours .... are not going to convince otherwise. Try again.

But the cost of their health care to the taxpayer is the entire point. You just can't figure that out.

Why is it assumed that everyone is on the doles and having their medical paid by the tax payers? Some actually purchase their own insurance and pay the deductible themselves. I know there are some government dependents out there who may not know that.

Laws won't stop people from bad eating habits or is the next step to take soda off the market, like they did with asthma inhalers. We asthma sufferers must have been bad for the government to take away our easy to access, cheap medicine. What lesson were we supposed to learn?

Funny how common sense is never written into any bill that passes. The government is famous for one size fits all crappy solutions.

Downsizing soda servings won't stop obesity. They'd have to take away fried foods, sugary foods and other fatty foods. The only way people will survive on fruits and vegetables is when that is all that is available to prevent starvation. Even then, some would over eat and still stay fat.

I'm sure some will want millions spent on educating people on nutrition, though anyone who made it through second grade was taught about the food groups and what is healthy or not. The subject came up many times in health class throughout the school years, so people know damn well what they should do. If they didn't freak out when they hit a certain weight as they expanded, don't expect that more preaching or attempts to control servings size will affect them. They might need therapy to deal with an emotional problem or they might need medical attention to deal with a physical problem. My best friend never ate as much as I did, but she gained weight like crazy while I stayed the same. It's different with everyone.

Overweight people have replaced smokers as the group to attack, preach to and punish now. When smokers were in the hot seat, people cheered the extraordinarily high taxes on cigarettes. Now they'll cheer the high taxes on certain foods.

The government reaps the rewards by making sure more money pours into their hands. They are the only winners. Do they really want smokers to quit or for people to stop eating sugar or drinking sodas? Hell, no!!! They don't want to lose billions of dollars should the taxes go away because people stopped buying the offending substances.

 

[Borillar]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

You're one of the few. Big brother is not the answer. Salt is bad, fat is bad, sugar is bad, pot is bad, tobacco is bad, alcohol is bad. Just about every damn thing is bad taken to excess. It's bad enough that pot is illegal. We don't have to make everything illegal. Education is key. Perhaps businesses can be persuaded not to "supersize", but it shouldn't be mandated.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I'm torn on this issue too.

We all know that sodas are now a ridiculous size and full of empty calories that causes people to be fatties and or develop serious health issues. I mean America is 65% fatties. That. Is. Crazy. And let's face it, when Big Gulps came out they were the biggest thing evar. Now that's a medium at the drive thru.

But I understand the govt control arguement over everyday lives. Once this law goes into place it'll mutate like the smoking ban. Don't smoke...even at home. And people would say let's ban it altogether, why not? We already reduced it. What's one more step? Then it would get out of control.

Can't ask the companies to please stop making this shit so full of..shit. Can't do that because govt interfering with business cries and all that jazz.

Can't subsidize fruits and vegatables for some dam reason????? They don't enough lobbiest or pay...ahem..donate enough for fresh cheap healthy food.

Its no easy answer

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

I support local control and I support the ban idea. What I am not sure about were the legal arguments. Why don't you lay it all out?

 

[hortysir]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

The camel's nose.......

 

[sfcalifornia]

I think banning extra large sodas for adults is stupid. If people want to become fat, then let them.

But...

1) They pay for their health care by the pound.
2) If their kids are fat, the kids get taken away from them. Letting their kids become fat is a form of abuse. If it's a medical issue, they'd better be treating the kids.

1) what does that even mean?
2) having obese children is already considered abuse

1) It means health care premiums should increase on an individual basis if that person is obese. Obesity is the number one reason why health care premiums are skyrocketing.
2) Yes I realize that. Kids have been taken away from their parents because of their morbid obesity and it's a real shame.

It's sad that it gets to that point. I'm opposed to bans like the soda ban for adults in NY but I'm not opposed to soda bans in schools. Nor am I opposed to banning corporate marketing and advertising techniques to get kids hooked on sugar, fat and highly processed food from an early age.

 

[Wyatt earp]

and what the funny things if they ever do get people to stop with the bad habbits everyone will continue to live longer and crash S.S. and the like. Also didnt that japenesee guy just recently say out loud "he wish old people would just hurry up and die already?

 

[yidnar]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

it is up to the individual to loose weight !! how do you think people loose 10,20,50 lbs ect ?? self control and discipline !! if you don't care about your health then you will be unhealthy no matter what the gov bans !!

 

[Sunshine]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

it is up to the individual to loose weight !! how do you think people loose 10,20,50 lbs ect ?? self control and discipline !! if you don't care about your health then you will be unhealthy no matter what the gov bans !!

So does this obligate us to care for people who don't care for their own health?

 

[Sunshine]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

I support local control and I support the ban idea. What I am not sure about were the legal arguments. Why don't you lay it all out?

There are no legal arguments for it. The only arguments for it are financial.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Let's face it. Some people can't handle themselves. The idea of personal freedom is not the bigger picture. The bigger picture is for the greater good. With all of the health problems that obesity causes, it needs to be curbed. Afflictions like diabetes are a drain on the economy with the health care cost associated with it. Sure this policy would have only made a small dent, but it is a start.

New Yorkers can still live happy fulfilling lives without buying an extra large soda

I disagree with the soda ban completely.

First, its a damn slippery slope. What gets banned next?

It would not have accomplished anything because the idiots who buy the huge sodas would just buy twice or three times as much in smaller cups just to prove how they're in charge of their own lives or some such crap.

The American diet is basically fat, sugar and salt and huge portions. Poison. And, Americans look it. Add cigarettes to that and you have a huge expensive mess that the healthy people have to pay for.

I say, eat, drink, smoke anything you want as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others. That means you buy your own own health insurance, pay your own health care bills. No more going to the ER and getting free care the rest of us have to pay for.

Some have said we need to educate people and I disagree that that will make any difference. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know that sugar, fat, salt are all bad in excess and yet, people feed their kids donut and Pepsi for breakfast and bitch about our First Lady working to have healthier children. Same idiots smoke in closed houses/cars with their kids there, inhaling their shit. Education isn't going to change any of that.

NO to tort reform BUT I would disallow people from suing cigarette companies because they got lung cancer. Same with suing the bar or the bar tender because you drove drunk and killed someone. Next, the fatties will sue the grocery stores for selling them oreos in case lots.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Whether the rw's like it or not, Kerry was right when he said Americans have the right to be stupid and fat, diabetic smokers are stupid. They just need to be forced to pay for their own stupidity.

 

[Sunshine]

When are liberals going to give up the notion that, somehow, the government can provide them with an unattainable utopia?
Every time I read a thread like this, I think of the Harry Potter book in which the female 'professor' institutes new rules on a daily basis to control the students behaviors until they simply can't take it anymore.

What is wrong with you people?
Does the concept of 'free will' mean nothing until it affects you?

Am I free to not pay my taxes that go for their health care? When I was at my sickest with PH I wouldn't use the motorized carts in the grocery because the only people who ever use them are people who are so damned fat they can't walk. Just not going there. Not yet.

 

[Lakhota]

Tobacco users are heavily taxed - yet none of those taxes are used for smokers' healthcare.

I would also guess that any taxes collected on soft drinks are not used to treat obesity and/or diabetes.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Jesus, this was decided as a legal issue, not a doofus public opinion survey