America Before the Entitlement State

[Uncensored2008]

Define conservatism...

Support of smaller government and individual liberty, particularly economic liberty.

 

[Unkotare]

Interesting how that is also the period of the sharpest decline in crime rate since WWII.

Isn't it though?

It's about growing the size and scope of the public employees, not about fighting crime.

You seem to have missed the point with which you just agreed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You seem to have missed the point with which you just agreed.

One of us did.

Why don't you tell me what massive increase in prison population at a time of dropping crime rates meant to you?

Normally, prison rates would drop as the crimes that put people in prison dropped - that is IF putting people in prison were about crime...

 

[Unkotare]

You seem to have missed the point with which you just agreed.

One of us did.

Why don't you tell me what massive increase in prison population at a time of dropping crime rates meant to you?

Normally, prison rates would drop as the crimes that put people in prison dropped - that is IF putting people in prison were about crime...

Are you joking?

 

[daveman]

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

So, would you call Democrats 'political conservatives'? Cause ordering people to buy health insurance seems pretty authoritarian to me.

That's different. Somehow. It just is.

You fascist!


There, did I get that right, Bfgrn?

 

[daveman]

Here is what 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries found:

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

The fucking shit you post...

Simply amazing.

Great Authoritarians from the 20th century:

Vlad Lenin - Bolshevik
Josef Stalin - Bolshevik
Benito Mussolini - Bolshevik then Fascist
Adolf Hitler - German Socialist Workers Party
Mao Tse Tung - Maoist
Ho Chi Minh - Maoist
Pol Pot - Maoist
Kim Sung Il - Maoist
Fidel Castro - Bolshevik
Daniel Ortega - Bolshevik

What is the common thread here? Oh that's right, they're all fucking socialists....

Define conservatism...

"Not fucking socialism."

 

[Bfgrn]

Define conservatism...

Support of smaller government and individual liberty, particularly economic liberty.

Ah, your parochial indoctrination is showing.

conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So tell me Uncensored2008, what existing conditions, institutions, values, teachings, beliefs, traditions and orthodoxy would someone like Joseph Stalin, who received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary want to 'conserve'? The US Constitution, laissez-faire capitalism?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

 

[daveman]

Define conservatism...

Support of smaller government and individual liberty, particularly economic liberty.

Ah, your parochial indoctrination is showing.

conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So tell me Uncensored2008, what existing conditions, institutions, values, teachings, beliefs, traditions and orthodoxy would someone like Joseph Stalin, who received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary want to 'conserve'? The US Constitution, laissez-faire capitalism?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

You're right. Stalin was obviously a leftist.

 

[Ava]

Ágrarian economy. Rural population. Night and day.

Nice try, though.

And it couldn't work today because...?


Oh, yeah...the left has created too large a population utterly dependent on government.

Entitlements, not tax cuts, are what is widening the wealth gap.

 

[Bfgrn]

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.

So, would you call Democrats 'political conservatives'? Cause ordering people to buy health insurance seems pretty authoritarian to me.

That's different. Somehow. It just is.

You fascist!


There, did I get that right, Bfgrn?

I am not crazy about the individual mandate. I wanted Congress to pass a bill with ideas liberals and progressives forwarded; single payer or at least a public option. Instead, Congress used the Republican idea of the individual mandate and passed a bill very similar to a Republican bill from the early '90's.

 

[dblack]

I am not crazy about the individual mandate. I wanted Congress to pass a bill with ideas liberals and progressives forwarded; single payer or at least a public option. Instead, Congress used the Republican idea of the individual mandate and passed a bill very similar to a Republican bill from the early '90's.

Yeah. We vote for Democrats and get Republican laws. Can we count on you to help us repeal it?

 

[Bfgrn]

I am not crazy about the individual mandate. I wanted Congress to pass a bill with ideas liberals and progressives forwarded; single payer or at least a public option. Instead, Congress used the Republican idea of the individual mandate and passed a bill very similar to a Republican bill from the early '90's.

Yeah. We vote for Democrats and get Republican laws. Can we count on you to help us repeal it?

No. Any changes should be made to the existing law. The effort to repeal it is totally disingenuous. It is just a continuation of Republican's insidious effort to undermine reform and destroy our President.

 

[dblack]

No. Any changes should be made to the existing law. The effort to repeal it is totally disingenuous. It is just a continuation of Republican's insidious effort to undermine reform and destroy our President.

Well, I'm not interested in the team sports aspect. I'm opposed to it because it's a bad law that will make things worse, not better.

 

[Bfgrn]

No. Any changes should be made to the existing law. The effort to repeal it is totally disingenuous. It is just a continuation of Republican's insidious effort to undermine reform and destroy our President.

Well, I'm not interested in the team sports aspect. I'm opposed to it because it's a bad law that will make things worse, not better.

Well, I'm not interested in right wing propaganda. Tell me specifically what you would strip out of the law?

 

[rightwinger]

Ágrarian economy. Rural population. Night and day.

Nice try, though.

And it couldn't work today because...?


Oh, yeah...the left has created too large a population utterly dependent on government.

Entitlements, not tax cuts, are what is widening the wealth gap.

How does an entitlement widen the wealth gap?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Are you joking?

So you think new incarcerations should sharply increase when there is a decline in crime?

Do you view prison as a learning institute for criminals, and lower crime an indicator that more criminals need to be trained?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Define conservatism...

Support of smaller government and individual liberty, particularly economic liberty.

Ah, your parochial indoctrination is showing.

conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So tell me Uncensored2008, what existing conditions, institutions, values, teachings, beliefs, traditions and orthodoxy would someone like Joseph Stalin, who received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary want to 'conserve'? The US Constitution, laissez-faire capitalism?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

Ah, your ignorance and/or dishonesty are showing.

{Political conservatism is a term applied to people who believe in:

Economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism
}

An Overview of Political Conservatism

 

[Bfgrn]

Support of smaller government and individual liberty, particularly economic liberty.

Ah, your parochial indoctrination is showing.

conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")
noun
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So tell me Uncensored2008, what existing conditions, institutions, values, teachings, beliefs, traditions and orthodoxy would someone like Joseph Stalin, who received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary want to 'conserve'? The US Constitution, laissez-faire capitalism?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

Ah, your ignorance and/or dishonesty are showing.

{Political conservatism is a term applied to people who believe in:

Economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism
}

An Overview of Political Conservatism

Again, you blindly speak from your parochial indoctrination. The whole world was not indoctrinated to conserve:
Economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism

Please describe a conservative in Russia? Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve:
Economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism

THINK man!

 

[dblack]

Well, I'm not interested in right wing propaganda. Tell me specifically what you would strip out of the law?

Well, the individual mandate is the most obvious. I could probably stomach the rest.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Again, you blindly speak from your parochial indoctrination.

Let's see, you offered a dishonest definition of "conservative" that was unrelated to American politics. got called on it, now you whine.

The whole world was not indoctrinated to conserve:

That's nice, but has nothing to do with the subject.

economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism

The basic tenets of American conservatism.

Please describe a conservative in Russia?

There isn't conservatism as a movement in Russia, but Russia isn't germane to this discussion.

Would a conservative in Russia want to conserve:
Economic liberty and the central role of free enterprise in American society
A small, non-invasive government
A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism

THINK man!

I understand that you feel trapped, you are being forced to actually defend ideas, where all you know to do is spout party slogans.