America's President Fails, No "America First" For Him

[toomuchtime_]

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. The One China policy is about which country will be the soul representative of the Chinese people, but that does not exclude the US having relations with the Taiwan. No one publicly accepted calls from the Taiwanese government but the US has had extensive economic dealings with the Taiwanese government, including significant arms sales that were strongly objected to by mainland China for many years. If we weren't supporting the independence of Taiwan, we wouldn't have sold them weapons over the objections of Beijing. What President Trump has done is bring some rationality to this crazy policy.

You seem to be the one confused about American policy with Taiwan. We have no diplomatic relationship at all period. We have a business relationship and that relationship is one dedicated to Taiwan's ability to prosper, including the sale of arms but anything else is never spoken about to the Chinese. Trump has brought nothing to this relationship and now it is even more obvious that he caved to the one China policy, leaving Taiwan in the lurch.

Not at all, the weapons we sell them are to defend themselves against aggression from mainland China and all weapons sales require action by Congress and the President. Since 1979, the US does have de facto diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

De facto diplomatic relations[edit]
The [Taiwan Relations] act authorizes de facto diplomatic relations with the governing authorities by giving special powers to the AIT to the level that it is the de facto embassy, and states that any international agreements made between the ROC and U.S. before 1979 are still valid unless otherwise terminated. One agreement that was unilaterally terminated by President Jimmy Carter upon the establishment of relations with the PRC was the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty.

The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities". The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.[5]

Military provisions[edit]
The Taiwan Relations Act potentially requires the U.S. to intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity" and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

This act also requires the United States "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to Taiwan in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. follow the legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy (which differs from the PRC's so-called one-China principle).

Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

Receiving a phone call from the Taiwanese government is perfectly consistent with existing US policy as defined by the Taiwan Relations Act, and with the US one China policy.

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

Once again you confirm your credentials as a stupid, ignorant, bigoted troll.

 

[Spare_change]

Did anyone else notice that the Japanese Prime Minister will be spending the weekend at Doniboi's golf club? earning Doniboi many thousands of dollars and creating more ethics problems for himself?

I gotta tell ya .... you guys are so simple-minded and easy to manipulate,it isn't even any fun.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

And now it's last for Trump.

It's refreshing see Trump take America from last place where Obama put her to first.....

What? First to suck dick? He had dinner with Sheldon Adelson before he talked to the Chinese President. Adelson's wealth is concentrated in China and he will not tolerate an idiot of Trump's stature messing with his billions. No Doniboi has two masters isn't that hilarious?

WOW! That sounds like a conspiracy theory and according to the leftard clown posse? They are not even possible!!!

I would give anything to have heard that phone call. I bet it was exactly like the SNL phone call to the president of Zimbabwe.

The multi-syllable words would have confused you.......

Yes, Trump ordering beef and broccoli and orange sesame chicken would have made me hurt myself laughing.

 

[Dale Smith]

Not at all, the weapons we sell them are to defend themselves against aggression from mainland China and all weapons sales require action by Congress and the President. Since 1979, the US does have de facto diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

De facto diplomatic relations[edit]
The [Taiwan Relations] act authorizes de facto diplomatic relations with the governing authorities by giving special powers to the AIT to the level that it is the de facto embassy, and states that any international agreements made between the ROC and U.S. before 1979 are still valid unless otherwise terminated. One agreement that was unilaterally terminated by President Jimmy Carter upon the establishment of relations with the PRC was the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty.

The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities". The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.[5]

Military provisions[edit]
The Taiwan Relations Act potentially requires the U.S. to intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity" and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

This act also requires the United States "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to Taiwan in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. follow the legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy (which differs from the PRC's so-called one-China principle).

Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

Receiving a phone call from the Taiwanese government is perfectly consistent with existing US policy as defined by the Taiwan Relations Act, and with the US one China policy.

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

So what you are saying is that only a commie like the Clinton clan and the Barrypuppet were qualified to be CEO of USA.INC....correct? You are a socialist if not an outright commie....aren't ya? You can be honest....we are all friends here. Be "loud and proud".........it's all good.


(snicker)

Dale, put the bottle away and go to bed. You're embarrassing yourself.

Dude, I could be the proverbial "three sheets to the wind" drunk and still kick your ass in a debate......you propose no challenge at all.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

You seem to be the one confused about American policy with Taiwan. We have no diplomatic relationship at all period. We have a business relationship and that relationship is one dedicated to Taiwan's ability to prosper, including the sale of arms but anything else is never spoken about to the Chinese. Trump has brought nothing to this relationship and now it is even more obvious that he caved to the one China policy, leaving Taiwan in the lurch.

Not at all, the weapons we sell them are to defend themselves against aggression from mainland China and all weapons sales require action by Congress and the President. Since 1979, the US does have de facto diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

De facto diplomatic relations[edit]
The [Taiwan Relations] act authorizes de facto diplomatic relations with the governing authorities by giving special powers to the AIT to the level that it is the de facto embassy, and states that any international agreements made between the ROC and U.S. before 1979 are still valid unless otherwise terminated. One agreement that was unilaterally terminated by President Jimmy Carter upon the establishment of relations with the PRC was the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty.

The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities". The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.[5]

Military provisions[edit]
The Taiwan Relations Act potentially requires the U.S. to intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity" and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

This act also requires the United States "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to Taiwan in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. follow the legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy (which differs from the PRC's so-called one-China principle).

Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

Receiving a phone call from the Taiwanese government is perfectly consistent with existing US policy as defined by the Taiwan Relations Act, and with the US one China policy.

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

Once again you confirm your credentials as a stupid, ignorant, bigoted troll.

Bigoted?

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Did anyone else notice that the Japanese Prime Minister will be spending the weekend at Doniboi's golf club? earning Doniboi many thousands of dollars and creating more ethics problems for himself?

I gotta tell ya .... you guys are so simple-minded and easy to manipulate,it isn't even any fun.

Well your comments made me believe in reincarnation. No one can be that stupid in just one lifetime.

 

[Dale Smith]

It's refreshing see Trump take America from last place where Obama put her to first.....

What? First to suck dick? He had dinner with Sheldon Adelson before he talked to the Chinese President. Adelson's wealth is concentrated in China and he will not tolerate an idiot of Trump's stature messing with his billions. No Doniboi has two masters isn't that hilarious?

WOW! That sounds like a conspiracy theory and according to the leftard clown posse? They are not even possible!!!

I would give anything to have heard that phone call. I bet it was exactly like the SNL phone call to the president of Zimbabwe.

The multi-syllable words would have confused you.......

Yes, Trump ordering beef and broccoli and orange sesame chicken would have made me hurt myself laughing.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

So what you are saying is that only a commie like the Clinton clan and the Barrypuppet were qualified to be CEO of USA.INC....correct? You are a socialist if not an outright commie....aren't ya? You can be honest....we are all friends here. Be "loud and proud".........it's all good.


(snicker)

Dale, put the bottle away and go to bed. You're embarrassing yourself.

Dude, I could be the proverbial "three sheets to the wind" drunk and still kick your ass in a debate......you propose no challenge at all.

No Dale, you've never demonstrated that proficiency before. It is the liquor talking.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not at all, the weapons we sell them are to defend themselves against aggression from mainland China and all weapons sales require action by Congress and the President. Since 1979, the US does have de facto diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

De facto diplomatic relations[edit]
The [Taiwan Relations] act authorizes de facto diplomatic relations with the governing authorities by giving special powers to the AIT to the level that it is the de facto embassy, and states that any international agreements made between the ROC and U.S. before 1979 are still valid unless otherwise terminated. One agreement that was unilaterally terminated by President Jimmy Carter upon the establishment of relations with the PRC was the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty.

The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities". The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.[5]

Military provisions[edit]
The Taiwan Relations Act potentially requires the U.S. to intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity" and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

This act also requires the United States "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to Taiwan in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. follow the legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy (which differs from the PRC's so-called one-China principle).

Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia

Receiving a phone call from the Taiwanese government is perfectly consistent with existing US policy as defined by the Taiwan Relations Act, and with the US one China policy.

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

Once again you confirm your credentials as a stupid, ignorant, bigoted troll.

Bigoted?

Apparently you are too stupid and ignorant to know what the word means. A bigot is some one who holds strong opinions that are not based on facts. Sadly, the word, fact, will probably confuse you, too.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Thanks for your cut and paste.

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

Once again you confirm your credentials as a stupid, ignorant, bigoted troll.

Bigoted?

Apparently you are too stupid and ignorant to know what the word means. A bigot is some one who holds strong opinions that are not based on facts. Sadly, the word, fact, will probably confuse you, too.

It must be comforting to know you will never have to fear dying from brain cancer.

 

[Dale Smith]

It makes clear just how ignorant you are about this issue.

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

So what you are saying is that only a commie like the Clinton clan and the Barrypuppet were qualified to be CEO of USA.INC....correct? You are a socialist if not an outright commie....aren't ya? You can be honest....we are all friends here. Be "loud and proud".........it's all good.


(snicker)

Dale, put the bottle away and go to bed. You're embarrassing yourself.

Dude, I could be the proverbial "three sheets to the wind" drunk and still kick your ass in a debate......you propose no challenge at all.

No Dale, you've never demonstrated that proficiency before. It is the liquor talking.

I'm not a fan of liquor at all.............I do like the occasional margarita when I am eating Mexican food but I haven't bought a bottle of anything other than beer in over a decade....so you were saying?

You want to debate me? Let's do it.......pick a topic concerning the current geo-political scene because I believe in the old adage of "ladies first".

 

[owebo]

What? First to suck dick? He had dinner with Sheldon Adelson before he talked to the Chinese President. Adelson's wealth is concentrated in China and he will not tolerate an idiot of Trump's stature messing with his billions. No Doniboi has two masters isn't that hilarious?

WOW! That sounds like a conspiracy theory and according to the leftard clown posse? They are not even possible!!!

I would give anything to have heard that phone call. I bet it was exactly like the SNL phone call to the president of Zimbabwe.

The multi-syllable words would have confused you.......

Yes, Trump ordering beef and broccoli and orange sesame chicken would have made me hurt myself laughing.

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They are idiots....just look at the moron fucktard liberal posting in here.....

 

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[Juan de Fuca]

Wow, you got all that from a cut and paste? You're as unqualified to comment on this thread as Trump is as president.

So what you are saying is that only a commie like the Clinton clan and the Barrypuppet were qualified to be CEO of USA.INC....correct? You are a socialist if not an outright commie....aren't ya? You can be honest....we are all friends here. Be "loud and proud".........it's all good.


(snicker)

Dale, put the bottle away and go to bed. You're embarrassing yourself.

Dude, I could be the proverbial "three sheets to the wind" drunk and still kick your ass in a debate......you propose no challenge at all.

No Dale, you've never demonstrated that proficiency before. It is the liquor talking.

I'm not a fan of liquor at all.............I do like the occasional margarita when I am eating Mexican food but I haven't bought a bottle of anything other than beer in over a decade....so you were saying?

You want to debate me? Let's do it.......pick a topic concerning the current geo-political scene because I believe in the old adage of "ladies first".

Dale, keep it to the subject posted. No one cares about the drugs.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Rosie O'Donnell is ready:

And I heard RuPaul is asking to be Melania.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

WOW! That sounds like a conspiracy theory and according to the leftard clown posse? They are not even possible!!!

I would give anything to have heard that phone call. I bet it was exactly like the SNL phone call to the president of Zimbabwe.

The multi-syllable words would have confused you.......

Yes, Trump ordering beef and broccoli and orange sesame chicken would have made me hurt myself laughing.

View attachment 111643

They are idiots....just look at the moron fucktard liberal posting in here.....

I would reply, but it's kind of like accidentally taking a handicapped person's parking space. You feel terrible and the injustice gnaws at you.

 

[Dale Smith]

So what you are saying is that only a commie like the Clinton clan and the Barrypuppet were qualified to be CEO of USA.INC....correct? You are a socialist if not an outright commie....aren't ya? You can be honest....we are all friends here. Be "loud and proud".........it's all good.


(snicker)

Dale, put the bottle away and go to bed. You're embarrassing yourself.

Dude, I could be the proverbial "three sheets to the wind" drunk and still kick your ass in a debate......you propose no challenge at all.

No Dale, you've never demonstrated that proficiency before. It is the liquor talking.

I'm not a fan of liquor at all.............I do like the occasional margarita when I am eating Mexican food but I haven't bought a bottle of anything other than beer in over a decade....so you were saying?

You want to debate me? Let's do it.......pick a topic concerning the current geo-political scene because I believe in the old adage of "ladies first".

Dale, keep it to the subject posted. No one cares about the drugs.

You posted nothing but bullshit...are you claiming that China has another legitimate governmental body that Trump isn't recognizing? You want to debate or discuss issues? Bring it on.......but this subject doesn't make you look anything other than a whiny bitch that is butthurt.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

I'll see you folks tomorrow. Trading insults is not my idea of reasoned conversation. Donald Trump is just a bully and he just got handed his ass. It's not funny my friends, it's tragic for America.

 

[Dale Smith]

I would give anything to have heard that phone call. I bet it was exactly like the SNL phone call to the president of Zimbabwe.

The multi-syllable words would have confused you.......

Yes, Trump ordering beef and broccoli and orange sesame chicken would have made me hurt myself laughing.

View attachment 111643

They are idiots....just look at the moron fucktard liberal posting in here.....

I would reply, but it's kind of like accidentally taking a handicapped person's parking space. You feel terrible and the injustice gnaws at you.

How do you accidentally take a handicapped parking space and if you felt guilt, then you knew you were parking where you shouldn't have which makes it no accident.........DOH!


Sheesh, even your flames are lame.......

 

[Dale Smith]

I'll see you folks tomorrow. Trading insults is not my idea of reasoned conversation. Donald Trump is just a bully and he just got handed his ass. It's not funny my friends, it's tragic for America.

Wow, you mean we will have to wait until morning to read some more butthurt rhetoric from a clueless wonder such as yourself? Don't fret...there are plenty of leftards just as stupid as you are at this cyber wailing wall to fill your size 5 and 1/2 shoes......