An interesting development in the "pardon" charade...

[nat4900]

Some of us have speculated that the Arpaio pardon was a "silent" assurance to the long list of Trump former and current staff that if they were ever indicted for their misdeeds, they need NOT worry since Trump could always pardon them also.

Perhaps foreseeing this underhanded plan of Trump to further obstruct the course of justice (to save his own sorry orange hide), Mueller, as the clever prosecutor that he is, is now teaming up with New York state's AG to possibly eventually bring charges against these "people of interest" in STATE courts; probably prompting the convening of yet another grand jury in NY..

Now, unbeknownst to many of us, a president CANNOT pardon a conviction that was ruled in a state's court....only federal courts.

This may then place the fear right back on the spines of those witnesses who will be called to testify under oath, that the pardon option may no longer apply as a "get out of jail free" card...

Interesting.

It seems like I told you about 3 or 4 times that a president can only pardon federal crimes. It's the governor of a state that pardons state crimes. I told you this a few times already.

This is why Trump was able to pardon Arpaio to begin with. obama sent dozens of civil rights attorneys to Arizona to discover or make up charges. Eric Holder personally undertook the Arpaio investigation. The one thing obama was not going to trust was faking state crime charges that would be pardoned by a republican governor. So he made up federal charges, denied Arpaio trial by jury and found a rubber stamp judge. Simple. The only thing the demofarts never considered was a republican president interested in undoing obama's damage.

Now does it make sense?

See,Tipsy....EVEN when you clearly show that you're a moron and idiot, some of your fellow morons think that you're just "amazingly intelligent".......Must be that they're drinking the same stuff as you.

 

[RDD_1210]

Report: Mueller, New York AG to work together on Manafort - CNNPolitics

Paul Manafort was recently forced by the DOJ to register as a Foreign agent. He was working for the Russians during the 2012-2014 era and receiving 17 MILLION from them to advise on U.S./Ukraine policies.

Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Then this clause showed up in the Republican party platform in July 2016 at the RNC convention--or around the same time that Comey testified that U.S. Intelligence started the investigation into the Trump team. But Trump and team were being watched prior to that by the U.K and other foreign intelligence.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia
Comey: FBI launched Trump-Russia probe in July

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics

In July of this year, Paul Manafort's home was raided--and his computer and files were siezed.

FBI raided Paul Manafort home as part of Russia probe - CNNPolitics

The special Grand Jury has also subpoened Paul Manforts former attorney.
Special counsel subpoenas Manafort's former attorney and spokesman - CNNPolitics

It makes sense because Trump has repeatedly stated he would pardon Michael Flynn and other who may be involved in this Russian investigation. So they have felt safe from any consequences. So it's going to be Paul Manafort that will be the squealer, because Trump cannot pardon him for State crimes. This is a very clever manuver by Robert Mueller.

You're own article points out it was a political party in the Ukraine he worked for. Do you need a map of Eastern Europe?

A Russian - backed political party.

What does it matter if they were pro-Russian? Half their country is Russian. It is still a Ukrainian party, you don't get to swap out Russia for Ukraine when it is convenient for you.

Dems are all pro-Marxist and pro-communist, should we stop calling them an American political party and just call them "Russians"?

You do realize that meddling by ANY foreign government is not allowed, not just Russia. Right?

How is the Ukraine "meddling"?

Great question. I'm glad you asked. Let's see what Muellers investigation finds.

 

[RDD_1210]

Report: Mueller, New York AG to work together on Manafort - CNNPolitics

Paul Manafort was recently forced by the DOJ to register as a Foreign agent. He was working for the Russians during the 2012-2014 era and receiving 17 MILLION from them to advise on U.S./Ukraine policies.

Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Then this clause showed up in the Republican party platform in July 2016 at the RNC convention--or around the same time that Comey testified that U.S. Intelligence started the investigation into the Trump team. But Trump and team were being watched prior to that by the U.K and other foreign intelligence.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia
Comey: FBI launched Trump-Russia probe in July

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics

In July of this year, Paul Manafort's home was raided--and his computer and files were siezed.

FBI raided Paul Manafort home as part of Russia probe - CNNPolitics

The special Grand Jury has also subpoened Paul Manforts former attorney.
Special counsel subpoenas Manafort's former attorney and spokesman - CNNPolitics

It makes sense because Trump has repeatedly stated he would pardon Michael Flynn and other who may be involved in this Russian investigation. So they have felt safe from any consequences. So it's going to be Paul Manafort that will be the squealer, because Trump cannot pardon him for State crimes. This is a very clever manuver by Robert Mueller.

You're own article points out it was a political party in the Ukraine he worked for. Do you need a map of Eastern Europe?

A Russian - backed political party.

What does it matter if they were pro-Russian? Half their country is Russian. It is still a Ukrainian party, you don't get to swap out Russia for Ukraine when it is convenient for you.

Dems are all pro-Marxist and pro-communist, should we stop calling them an American political party and just call them "Russians"?

You do realize that meddling by ANY foreign government is not allowed, not just Russia. Right?

like what obummer did with Isreal? like that? precedence is set and as always you got nothing burgers. enjoy. we'll laugh at you.

Actually, nothing like that at all. But you're not smart and this is clearly above your head and trying to explain this to you is beneath me.

 

[HenryBHough]

Who knew Mueller had the power to negate the U.S. Constitution!

 

[Camp]

Report: Mueller, New York AG to work together on Manafort - CNNPolitics

Paul Manafort was recently forced by the DOJ to register as a Foreign agent. He was working for the Russians during the 2012-2014 era and receiving 17 MILLION from them to advise on U.S./Ukraine policies.

Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Then this clause showed up in the Republican party platform in July 2016 at the RNC convention--or around the same time that Comey testified that U.S. Intelligence started the investigation into the Trump team. But Trump and team were being watched prior to that by the U.K and other foreign intelligence.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia
Comey: FBI launched Trump-Russia probe in July

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics

In July of this year, Paul Manafort's home was raided--and his computer and files were siezed.

FBI raided Paul Manafort home as part of Russia probe - CNNPolitics

The special Grand Jury has also subpoened Paul Manforts former attorney.
Special counsel subpoenas Manafort's former attorney and spokesman - CNNPolitics

It makes sense because Trump has repeatedly stated he would pardon Michael Flynn and other who may be involved in this Russian investigation. So they have felt safe from any consequences. So it's going to be Paul Manafort that will be the squealer, because Trump cannot pardon him for State crimes. This is a very clever manuver by Robert Mueller.

You're own article points out it was a political party in the Ukraine he worked for. Do you need a map of Eastern Europe?

A Russian - backed political party.

What does it matter if they were pro-Russian? Half their country is Russian. It is still a Ukrainian party, you don't get to swap out Russia for Ukraine when it is convenient for you.

Dems are all pro-Marxist and pro-communist, should we stop calling them an American political party and just call them "Russians"?

You do realize that meddling by ANY foreign government is not allowed, not just Russia. Right?

like what obummer did with Isreal? like that? precedence is set and as always you got nothing burgers. enjoy. we'll laugh at you.

You guys just don't get it. The US meddling in another countries elections is not the same as another country meddling in US elections with collusion or help from American citizens. When the US meddles, the foreign country has the option of prosecuting their own citizens for collusion and conspiracy. That is what is going on now in the US. Prosecutors are going after the American citizens that broke the law in their own country, the US. The Russians that were involved are not in jeopardy of prosecution unless Russia decides to prosecute them.
If any American colluded or meddled in elections in Ukraine or Israel, it is up to Ukraine or Israel to bring charges against their own citizens. The repercussions against Americans involved are limited to Diplomatic actions, not legal actions. That is what the sanctions are all about. Diplomatic repercussions for Russian meddling. If Israel wants to take diplomatic actions against the US for alleged meddling by President Obama they have that option, but they have no judicial options.

 

[HenryBHough]

But because Obama fucked around with elections in other countries then it's OK for Russia do do the same here. Gotta love it! Maybe The Big Zero oughta be looking at extradition papers coming soon to a front door near him/her/it.

 

[Ted Frazier]

" Washington CNN Department special counsel Robert Mueller is teaming up with New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to investigate Paul Manafort and his financial transactions, several people familiar with the matter told Politico. Since the US president is unable to pardon state crimes, the collaboration could also be seen as an effort to pressure Manafort to cooperate in the broader Russia investigation under Mueller, Politico reported. CNN has not independently confirmed the report. The move, which Politico reported on Wednesday night, is another indication that Mueller is ramping up pressure on Manafort, who served as the former chairman of President Donald Trump's campaign. Manafort has not been accused of any wrongdoing, but he is seen as a central figure in Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling."

Report: Mueller, New York AG to work together on Manafort - CNNPolitics

Paul Manafort was recently forced by the DOJ to register as a Foreign agent. He was working for the Russians during the 2012-2014 era and receiving 17 MILLION from them to advise on U.S./Ukraine policies.

"WASHINGTON -- President Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, has registered with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for political consulting work he did for a Ukrainian political party, acknowledging that he coached party members on how to interact with U.S. government officials. Manafort says in a Justice Department filing Tuesday that his firm, DMP International, received more than $17 million from the Party of Regions, the former pro-Russian ruling party in Ukraine, for consulting work from 2012 through 2014. Manafort is the second member of the Trump campaign to register as a foreign agent. In March, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn registered with the Justice Department for work his consulting firm performed for a Turkish businessman that he said could have aided the Turkish government. Both registrations came after the work had been completed."

Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

Then this clause showed up in the Republican party platform in July 2016 at the RNC convention--or around the same time that Comey testified that U.S. Intelligence started the investigation into the Trump team. But Trump and team were being watched prior to that by the U.K and other foreign intelligence.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia
Comey: FBI launched Trump-Russia probe in July

Gordon had advocated for language in the GOP platform that the Ukrainians not be armed in their battle against pro-Russian separatists, an effort was ultimately successful. But Gordon says he was simply advocating what Trump himself had expressed -- that he did not wish to see major war break out over the situation in Ukraine.

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics

In July of this year, Paul Manafort's home was raided--and his computer and files were siezed.

Washington (CNN) FBI agents raided a home of President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort last month, a source familiar with the matter told CNN. The agents seized materials in Manafort's home as part of the ongoing Russia investigation led by Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the source said.

FBI raided Paul Manafort home as part of Russia probe - CNNPolitics

The special Grand Jury has also subpoened Paul Manforts former attorney.
Special counsel subpoenas Manafort's former attorney and spokesman - CNNPolitics

It makes sense because Trump has repeatedly stated he would pardon Michael Flynn and other who may be involved in this Russian investigation. So they have felt safe from any consequences. So it's going to be Paul Manafort that will be the squealer, because Trump cannot pardon him for State crimes. This is a very clever manuver by Robert Mueller.

You're own article points out it was a political party in the Ukraine he worked for. Do you need a map of Eastern Europe?

A Russian - backed political party.

What does it matter if they were pro-Russian? Half their country is Russian. It is still a Ukrainian party, you don't get to swap out Russia for Ukraine when it is convenient for you.

Dems are all pro-Marxist and pro-communist, should we stop calling them an American political party and just call them "Russians"?

You do realize that meddling by ANY foreign government is not allowed, not just Russia. Right?

Who did Ukraine hack?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Conservatives will defend one of their own to the death, and then scream "But Hillary" who hasn't been charged, sued, or convicted.

There is a special "bond" among racists like Trump and Arpaio...

Its NOT just decent conservatism, its a renaissance for all wanna-be racists among that ilk.

LOL

Jake you forgot to say Nazi

 

[nat4900]

Lib please, Obama protected illegals

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC ...

 

[theHawk]

Lib please, Obama protected illegals

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC ...

So President Trump is racist for deporting less?

 

[oreo]

Some of us have speculated that the Arpaio pardon was a "silent" assurance to the long list of Trump former and current staff that if they were ever indicted for their misdeeds, they need NOT worry since Trump could always pardon them also.

Perhaps foreseeing this underhanded plan of Trump to further obstruct the course of justice (to save his own sorry orange hide), Mueller, as the clever prosecutor that he is, is now teaming up with New York state's AG to possibly eventually bring charges against these "people of interest" in STATE courts; probably prompting the convening of yet another grand jury in NY..

Now, unbeknownst to many of us, a president CANNOT pardon a conviction that was ruled in a state's court....only federal courts.

This may then place the fear right back on the spines of those witnesses who will be called to testify under oath, that the pardon option may no longer apply as a "get out of jail free" card...

Interesting.

Not only that, but if Trump pardon's a witness in this Russian investigation it could also be considered Obstruction of Justice. And once he pardon's someone they'll still have to testify, but they will not be able to plead the 5th.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They have Jared on Conspiracy to beat Hillary