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Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News
So republicans don't want us manufacturing. You guys send a lot of mixed messages.
Not if it has to be taxpayer subsidized.
We saved more than that on health insurance and care so it's a wash
We didn't....? But they promisedWe saved more than that on health insurance and care so it's a wash
That's a straw man argument; the problem isn't with manufacturing in the U.S. , the PROBLEM is the federal government picking winners and losers in the marketplace and using tax payer money to do it.Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News
So republicans don't want us manufacturing. You guys send a lot of mixed messages.
Propping up inefficient producers that are unable to compete in the marketplace using tax payer money is a sure fire recipe for making the economy LESS efficient since it allows those inefficient/non-competitive producers to hold resources captive that would otherwise be released to more efficient/competitive producers. In short, the governments actions short circuited the creative destruction process that capitalism relies on to increase efficiency. Not to mention it's unethical to force market participants to in effect subsidize their competitors via the government taking their tax dollars and bailing out some companies while giving others nothing.
We saved more than that on health insurance and care so it's a wash
We didn't....? But they promisedWe saved more than that on health insurance and care so it's a wash
That's a straw man argument; the problem isn't with manufacturing in the U.S. , the PROBLEM is the federal government picking winners and losers in the marketplace and using tax payer money to do it.Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News
So republicans don't want us manufacturing. You guys send a lot of mixed messages.
Propping up inefficient producers that are unable to compete in the marketplace using tax payer money is a sure fire recipe for making the economy LESS efficient since it allows those inefficient/non-competitive producers to hold resources captive that would otherwise be released to more efficient/competitive producers. In short, the governments actions short circuited the creative destruction process that capitalism relies on to increase efficiency. Not to mention it's unethical to force market participants to in effect subsidize their competitors via the government taking their tax dollars and bailing out some companies while giving others nothing.
What about using tariffs to prop up industries that can't compete?
Succeed at what? Buying political influence so they can pillage the public treasury because they can't compete in the marketplace?RWNJs don't want US companies to succeed.
That's a straw man argument; the problem isn't with manufacturing in the U.S. , the PROBLEM is the federal government picking winners and losers in the marketplace and using tax payer money to do it.Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News
So republicans don't want us manufacturing. You guys send a lot of mixed messages.
Propping up inefficient producers that are unable to compete in the marketplace using tax payer money is a sure fire recipe for making the economy LESS efficient since it allows those inefficient/non-competitive producers to hold resources captive that would otherwise be released to more efficient/competitive producers. In short, the governments actions short circuited the creative destruction process that capitalism relies on to increase efficiency. Not to mention it's unethical to force market participants to in effect subsidize their competitors via the government taking their tax dollars and bailing out some companies while giving others nothing.
What about using tariffs to prop up industries that can't compete?
For one thing it's "prop" and for another, tariffs are OK.
You do realize Trump is "aiming high" with the tariff rate, correct?
That way when the target percentage is reached, both parties come away feeling they've won.
It's no different than using tax payer money for corporate bail outs from an economic efficiency stand point, not to mention it has the added downside of potentially causing all sorts of relationship problems with trading partners.That's a straw man argument; the problem isn't with manufacturing in the U.S. , the PROBLEM is the federal government picking winners and losers in the marketplace and using tax payer money to do it.Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News
So republicans don't want us manufacturing. You guys send a lot of mixed messages.
Propping up inefficient producers that are unable to compete in the marketplace using tax payer money is a sure fire recipe for making the economy LESS efficient since it allows those inefficient/non-competitive producers to hold resources captive that would otherwise be released to more efficient/competitive producers. In short, the governments actions short circuited the creative destruction process that capitalism relies on to increase efficiency. Not to mention it's unethical to force market participants to in effect subsidize their competitors via the government taking their tax dollars and bailing out some companies while giving others nothing.
What about using tariffs to prop up industries that can't compete?
Its okay when stupid idiot liberals fail, because goddamnit they care.
Its okay when stupid idiot liberals fail, because goddamnit they care.
Its okay when stupid idiot liberals fail, because goddamnit they care.
Care about what? is it something beyond increasing their own power and interfering in other peoples lives as much as possible? because from what I've seen so far they don't give a fuck about anything or anybody else.
Its okay when stupid idiot liberals fail, because goddamnit they care.
Care about what? is it something beyond increasing their own power and interfering in other peoples lives as much as possible? because from what I've seen so far they don't give a fuck about anything or anybody else.
For liberals its about how they feel as individuals they are ruled by their emotions.
Its okay when stupid idiot liberals fail, because goddamnit they care.
Care about what? is it something beyond increasing their own power and interfering in other peoples lives as much as possible? because from what I've seen so far they don't give a fuck about anything or anybody else.
For liberals its about how they feel as individuals they are ruled by their emotions.
Republicans supported trump and his tariffs. Tariffs have never worked. But I guess they made righties feel good.
Let's not forget the other energy policy, check your tire pressure. LolOne thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.
Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"
However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.
According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.
"With per vehicle environmental benets
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker
Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.
"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"
Average used car price hits record high in 2014
"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."
Car prices at record highs - and rising
If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:
Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph
So in effect, C.A.R.S. is a program that cost everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.
Thanks, Obama!
Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
At what cost? If they couldn't make it financially, they should have been allowed to fail.
Subsidizing them with taxpayer funds is making people invest in them knowing there will never be any returns.
Newer cars have better mileage. Was a move toward energy independence.
Let's not forget the other energy policy, check your tire pressure. LolOne thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.
Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"
However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.
According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.
"With per vehicle environmental benets
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker
Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.
"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"
Average used car price hits record high in 2014
"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."
Car prices at record highs - and rising
If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:
Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph
So in effect, C.A.R.S. is a program that cost everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.
Thanks, Obama!
Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.
At what cost? If they couldn't make it financially, they should have been allowed to fail.
Subsidizing them with taxpayer funds is making people invest in them knowing there will never be any returns.
Newer cars have better mileage. Was a move toward energy independence.
Naw, too much trouble, besides my car has built in sensors that do that for me.Everybody should check tire pressure.
Naw, too much trouble, besides my car has built in sensors that do that for me.Everybody should check tire pressure.
"Whenever there is a hard job to be done I assign it to a lazy man; he is sure to find an easy way of doing it." -- Walter P. Chrysler
Naw, too much trouble, besides my car has built in sensors that do that for me.Everybody should check tire pressure.
"Whenever there is a hard job to be done I assign it to a lazy man; he is sure to find an easy way of doing it." -- Walter P. Chrysler
MOPAR is really teh suck these days.
Naw, too much trouble, besides my car has built in sensors that do that for me.Everybody should check tire pressure.
"Whenever there is a hard job to be done I assign it to a lazy man; he is sure to find an easy way of doing it." -- Walter P. Chrysler
MOPAR is really teh suck these days.
