Another Mall shooter finds his destiny... A good guy with a gun...

[Ray From Cleveland]

No...not a chance.

I think that report was wrong. Even 40 feet would be difficult when your heart is pumping a mile a minute and chaos all around you.

 

[Batcat]

they can't, because that isn't true.

I admit I haven’t done much research on Constitutional Carry and if it causes more crime than Shall Issue concealed carry.

The advantage I see to licensed carry is that people have to pass a background check. People who can pass background checks are usually responsible enough to to not be a problem. However a number of states have went to Constitutional Carry and I haven’t heard a lot of complaints.

(Note the document below is a PDF file.

Report from the Crime Prevention Research Center Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2021*

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=613115082115014014098028115020077004105010020053060007069092009069005112002099118030098123043125040056029117102010126115094084048016013022088021115099117123109004039050110025124091070010025065121111125117023027075117113022119081073113006103127103&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

***snip***

Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of firearms related violations at one-twelfth of the rate at which police officers are convicted.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That is why I call it anti-gun fanatic Christmas day.....and every innocent victim is a gift under their gun control holiday tree.....

Correct, but not a one will ever admit it. Just like the leftist MSM will never admit to encouraging violence among the black communities when a white officer kills a black suspect. Don't let anybody kid you, they love it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I admit I haven’t done much research on Constitutional Carry and if it causes more crime than Shall Issue concealed carry.

The advantage I see to licensed carry is that people have to pass a background check. People who can pass background checks are usually responsible enough to to not be a problem. However a number of states have went to Constitutional Carry and I haven’t heard a lot of complaints.

(Note the document below is a PDF file.

Report from the Crime Prevention Research Center Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2021*

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=613115082115014014098028115020077004105010020053060007069092009069005112002099118030098123043125040056029117102010126115094084048016013022088021115099117123109004039050110025124091070010025065121111125117023027075117113022119081073113006103127103&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

***snip***

Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of firearms related violations at one-twelfth of the rate at which police officers are convicted.

Before we went CC you had to take a written test to make sure you knew our gun laws--very important, a range test to make sure you can shoot accurately, and have to submit to electronic finger printing. So far no problems with constitutional carry, but it just started a few months ago. We will see.

 

[2aguy]

I admit I haven’t done much research on Constitutional Carry and if it causes more crime than Shall Issue concealed carry.

The advantage I see to licensed carry is that people have to pass a background check. People who can pass background checks are usually responsible enough to to not be a problem. However a number of states have went to Constitutional Carry and I haven’t heard a lot of complaints.

(Note the document below is a PDF file.

Report from the Crime Prevention Research Center Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2021*

https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=613115082115014014098028115020077004105010020053060007069092009069005112002099118030098123043125040056029117102010126115094084048016013022088021115099117123109004039050110025124091070010025065121111125117023027075117113022119081073113006103127103&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

***snip***

Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of firearms related violations at one-twelfth of the rate at which police officers are convicted.

Constitutional carry doesn't create crime...it simply cuts out the taxes, fees and red tape that keep normal Americans from carrying guns...the criminals are already carrying their guns illegally.......

Background checks?

Do you realize that the only reason anti-gun fanatics push "universal," background checks is to come back later, when they also don't reduce crime or mass public shootings, and demand gun registration?

The anti-gunners don't care about stopping criminals.....you can see that because nothing they propose effects criminals....everything they want passed is focused on normal Americans and taking their guns...

 

[2aguy]

Before we went CC you had to take a written test to make sure you knew our gun laws--very important, a range test to make sure you can shoot accurately, and have to submit to electronic finger printing. So far no problems with constitutional carry, but it just started a few months ago. We will see.

And how much did that cost? The problem with all of that is though it is a good idea......those tests will be used to deny people the ability to own and carry guns.....simply because the anti-gun fanatics don't want them to have that ability....

 

[jasonnfree]

Can you blame them? Their goal is a disarmed society. They can't accomplish that goal when a mass shooter is taken down. If this good guy wasn't there, it would have led to dozens possibly being killed and then the left can use those unfortunate souls as an example of why we need to disarm Americans good or bad.

What did Dementia do when he addressed the school shooting? He used those dead kids to launch yet another attack on the NRA and armed citizens in general. Like WTF did the NRA have to do with a school shooting? It didn't matter.

Biden used the dead kids because they were slaughtered by some one who had no right to possess weapons of any type.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And how much did that cost? The problem with all of that is though it is a good idea......those tests will be used to deny people the ability to own and carry guns.....simply because the anti-gun fanatics don't want them to have that ability....

It was only 50 bucks which is understandable for administrative costs, and you had to renew it every five years, same charge. I had no problem with it. IMO if you can't pass the test, you have no business to carry a firearm. The tests are from the state, but its the CCW teacher that grades them, and you don't only get one try. If you get something wrong, the teacher will once again ask you if you wish to keep that answer, even tell you what page in the handbook the answer is on.

My feelings are that if you wish to carry a firearm in public, only those that take it seriously enough should be. When you go through all the BS to obtain a CCW, you are evidently serious about it. One thing that was repeatedly stressed in class is that getting a CCW does not make you a police officer. You will have a license to carry a firearm to protect yourselves of in rare situations, others. You do not carry a gun to enforce any laws. I think without such training, a lot of people will get the wrong idea of being able to carry a firearm. But again, only time will tell.

 

[2aguy]

It was only 50 bucks which is understandable for administrative costs, and you had to renew it every five years, same charge. I had no problem with it. IMO if you can't pass the test, you have no business to carry a firearm. The tests are from the state, but its the CCW teacher that grades them, and you don't only get one try. If you get something wrong, the teacher will once again ask you if you wish to keep that answer, even tell you what page in the handbook the answer is on.

My feelings are that if you wish to carry a firearm in public, only those that take it seriously enough should be. When you go through all the BS to obtain a CCW, you are evidently serious about it. One thing that was repeatedly stressed in class is that getting a CCW does not make you a police officer. You will have a license to carry a firearm to protect yourselves of in rare situations, others. You do not carry a gun to enforce any laws. I think without such training, a lot of people will get the wrong idea of being able to carry a firearm. But again, only time will tell.

Yep....and I understand that.....but I live in Illinois.....16 hours of training....finger printing, range test....wasn't 50 dollars....

16 hour class....250 bucks

Permit....150

Finger print....60

I have a friend, works 70 hours a week, could not find the time to do the 16 hours of training....been around guns his whole life.....

The fees, and requirements are too easily made to keep people from exercising this Right......

 

[Seymour Flops]

The powerless sure got the powers that be to their feet when they protested in the streets and burned things down.

And the powers that be did what for the powerless based on those riots? De-funded police, which made the powerless even more unsafe than they were? Which they are now backtracking on, since it has been a disaster?

 

[pknopp]

And the powers that be did what for the powerless based on those riots? De-funded police, which made the powerless even more unsafe than they were? Which they are now backtracking on, since it has been a disaster?

You can see it that way. I see those who were once rarely held accountable starting to be held accountable.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You can see it that way. I see those who were once rarely held accountable starting to be held accountable.

Maybe you're right. Who are you talking about, exactly?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. The PC crowd, *Libtards* are coming after G-D for the man who protected himself, and others from the shooter.
2. READ:

Yes, Elisjsha Dicken Is a Good Samaritan — and He Deserves a Medal - The Stream

Elisjsha Dicken heroically used his own firearm to stop a gunman who had already killed three people at an Indiana mall.

stream.org

3. SAMPLE:
"In Chapter 10 of the Book of Luke in the New Testament, Jesus tells his parable of the Good Samaritan. The Samaritan is judged “good” because when he came upon a man who was beaten and robbed, he chose of his own free will to help the injured man with his own resources. As I wrote in my 2020 book, Was Jesus a Socialist?, if the Samaritan had ignored the man or expected the government to help him, we would likely know him today as the “Good-for-Nothing” Samaritan."



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[pknopp]

Maybe you're right. Who are you talking about, exactly?

Well Timmy Loehmann isn't going to ever be in law enforcement again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well Timmy Loehmann isn't going to ever be in law enforcement again.

The Grand Jury found he broke no laws. WTF do you want a police officer to do when somebody is pulling a gun on him?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yep....and I understand that.....but I live in Illinois.....16 hours of training....finger printing, range test....wasn't 50 dollars....

16 hour class....250 bucks

Permit....150

Finger print....60

I have a friend, works 70 hours a week, could not find the time to do the 16 hours of training....been around guns his whole life.....

The fees, and requirements are too easily made to keep people from exercising this Right......

That is a bit pricey and legislators should address that, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. All I really care about is that people carrying guns know how to use them and know the laws of the state and perhaps some of the states they have reciprocity in.

if I wasn't armed in a store that was getting robbed and another CCW holder was able to use his firearm, I was always assured of his or her abilities. If that happened now, this could be any yahoo with a gun that doesn't know how to use it, or know our laws. Even worse yet if I was behind the suspect and this guy or girl just assumes they will hit whatever they're aiming at flawlessly.

 

[pknopp]

The Grand Jury found he broke no laws. WTF do you want a police officer to do when somebody is pulling a gun on him?

The grand jury never actually got to rule but you know this as it's been covered with you many times. It's why the D.A. lost his job.

 

[Flash]

 

[badbob85037]

An investigation needs to start in order to see if any of these shootings are politically connected now. Just like the illegals are flooding the border, that is politically connected. Time for a national security investigation into our Homeland security apparatus in order to see if it's being lax'ed in it's duties, and worse being lax for political reason's.

"politically connected" Are you serious?

 

[Flash]