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Jan,No doubt about it. This time of year is conducive to emotional extremes or it can trigger some really dangerous ones.
OH PLEASE!!!!! The fact that Christmas is upon us is what's irrevenant! This stuff has been happening for far too long and I don't think they all happen around significant Christian holidays! Give me a break!
Apparently our society doesn't adequetly address mental illness...people are given a pill and told to go on their way. Apparently that's just not working! Re-open the state mental hospitals, put the crazies in there and throw away the key! Boom...problem solved!
I agree with you about re-opening the mental hospitals. But in spite of your rejection of the idea, which I didn't invent, the fact remains that violent crime rises during the Christmas season.
Does Violent Crime Increase During the Holidays?
If you happen to know any experienced police officers, ask them about it. The most extreme manifestation is in the category of domestic violence but there also is a spike in the ordinary assault and homicide statistics.
This holiday season begins to induce a high level of emotional stimulus in childhood and the effect continues well into adult development, spanning the entire spectrum of potential feelings, from extreme happiness and joy to suicidal dejection. And homicidal rage is often unbearable suicidal dejection turned outward.
While I'm not suggesting the holiday is responsible for triggering the pathological rage that set Adam Lanza off I certainly do not reject the possibility.
Jan,Truly.
Mental illness and the violence that sometimes stems from certain mental illnesses can be found in any family and any neighborhood honestly.
Money can't buy you safety.
Nice lawns can't buy you safety.
More gun laws can't buy you safety.
We are human beings. I see more vehicles causing deaths and horrific injuries than guns. I think texting and other distractions while driving is more dangerous than ever today. I think road rage is more prevalent today. Drunk driving anyone? Maybe it is time to crack down all those people who risk my life and my loved ones lives when they get in their cars and get manic in their behavior. Seriously, if people want to go after guns as the root of all evil I can assure you I will be right there going after some of the maniacs I see going after me and others with their cars.
Whatever! And I mean that...whatever we have to do to protect the innocent. If it means prohibition on alcohol...fine. If that means opening up the state hospitals again, fine! If that means public transportation for everybody so nobody gets into a car accident...fine! But one thing I never want to have to witness on the news again is a shooter opening fire on a bunch of kindergartners. No...that cannot be tolerated within our society...no!
Prohibitions, whether of alcohol, other drugs, or guns, do not work in a free society. We know that from exhaustive experience. Even under the most extremely repressive police state conditions someone who desperately wants something and is willing to pay for it probably will end up getting it.
There really is no solution to the problem of occasional manifestations of sheer madness in American society, the nature of which is conducive to psychopathology. These incredibly crazy events, from the Columbine shootings, the federally orchestrated Waco massacre, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing, the 9/11 World Trade Center destruction, and now this massacre of twenty little children. In a culture such as ours, a society this massive, this complicated, and this crazy, such events are to be expected. Today's tragedy is by no means the end of it.
Have the drug laws prevented access to drugs?Would all these gun laws have prevented this?
Did prohibition prevent access to booze?
There are between 200 million and 300 million guns at large in America. Nobody knows for sure how many. If a Draconian law was passed to forbid possession of guns, even if it were enforced by door-to-door searches, only the law-abiding would surrender their guns. The lawless and the crazies would remain armed and the beat would go on.
So don't strain your brain thinking of how to prevent such tragedies as today's. Because the toothpaste is out of the tube.
Have the drug laws prevented access to drugs?Would all these gun laws have prevented this?
Did prohibition prevent access to booze?
There are between 200 million and 300 million guns at large in America. Nobody knows for sure how many. If a Draconian law was passed to forbid possession of guns, even if it were enforced by door-to-door searches, only the law-abiding would surrender their guns. The lawless and the crazies would remain armed and the beat would go on.
So don't strain your brain thinking of how to prevent such tragedies as today's. Because the toothpaste is out of the tube.
Place guards at every door to the public schools...I think the school budgets just went up substantially. If we can't protect our children at least as well as we try to protect our airports we don't deserve our share of the oxygen on this planet! Put in the x-ray machines...whatever is necessary...just do it!
Not about the money anymore, and it shouldn't be..... It should be about getting a better system in place quickly for these vulnerable areas that we have, especially at these schools.. Then we can work on the bad culture problem in America.. We have to many kids living in single parent households anymore, and why is that ? We have to high an unemployment rate among the young adults in this nation anymore, and why is that ? We have to many kids on drugs anymore, and why is that ? We have way to much rebellion anymore, and why is that ? We have no future outlook anymore, and why is that ? Add to this if you like..It would cost more money on a already taxed educational system. When you trained a few educated teachers in the use of firearm it would cut the cost of hiring new people.And what point was that ?Actually Sampson is making a point I guess you missed it.
Shut up you moron. One responsible gun owner could have prevented most, if not all, of these deaths.
Puke. You don't protect children by making sure nobody can defend them, but then I doubt you're highly motivated to protect children anyway.
Shut up you moron. One responsible gun owner could have prevented most, if not all, of these deaths.
Puke. You don't protect children by making sure nobody can defend them, but then I doubt you're highly motivated to protect children anyway.
Oh fuck off. Stop this shit about 'one armed person could have prevented this', Bull fucking shit. You Yanks are not the heroes you pretend to be.
Good, stay in Australia. We're in America.
"The attack began at 8:36 p.m. local time and ended about twenty minutes later. According to survivor Mijael Mendelson, the attack lasted about 14 minutes. Mendelson reports he saw the time before the shooting started and shortly after knowing the gunman was dead.[1] The attacker was stopped by two Israel Defense Forces officers who were former Mercaz HaRav students themselves: Yitzchak Dadon and Captain David Shapira, who both dealt the fatal blow to the attacker with their personal firearms."
Mercaz HaRav massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The attack began at 8:36 p.m. local time and ended about twenty minutes later. According to survivor Mijael Mendelson, the attack lasted about 14 minutes. Mendelson reports he saw the time before the shooting started and shortly after knowing the gunman was dead.[1] The attacker was stopped by two Israel Defense Forces officers who were former Mercaz HaRav students themselves: Yitzchak Dadon and Captain David Shapira, who both dealt the fatal blow to the attacker with their personal firearms."
Mercaz HaRav massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is one person - yet people still died before these two men fired the shot that killed the gunman. That is my point - you can arm the teachers, train them to protect the students, but chances are, multiple people are going to die before that teacher even gets to fire their gun.
How does that save lives?
Its about time America toughened its gun laws. Its ten days til Xmas, and instead of sitting around, opening presents with their kids, these parents will be at a fucking funeral, burying their beloved children.
I am sick of this shit, this talk of 'If we ban guns, only criminals will have guns'. Well, maybe they can be trusted with a gun, because regular citizens sure can't!
The majority of mass shootings were committed by people who had no prior criminal record, so I conclude that guns in the hands of regular citizens are far more dangerous than they are in the hands of criminals.
Do something, seriously. How many more people have to die? How man more innocent families torn apart before you selfish fuckers get your act together and try to save lives?
If it was my family, and I was there, and I was armed.... I'd fucking wade in there and kill whoever was shooting at my kids. I wouldn't cower on the sidewalk, waiting for the cops to arrive.
If it was my family, I would be eternally grateful to whatever person in the school took out the shooter before he had killed 26 people. An entire class. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. .... and nobody could do a fucking thing.
