Another Trump disappointment: Sessions bringing back the War on Some Drug Users

Because let's face it, if you make all drugs legal, more people will use those drugs.
I'm not sure that's true. I believe I've read that alcohol consumption went down after Prohibition was repealed. That makes perfect sense to me. Making something illegal is often the best way to make it popular. We humans! In any case, as with alcohol, the lion's share of the negative impact on society of the prohibition of both alcohol and drugs derives from their illegality.

Marijuana use increases in Colorado, according to new federal survey – The Denver Post

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.
 
You know, there are several good things that have come from CO legalizing marijuana.

One of which is the reduction in narcotic overdoses, because people no longer need to use prescription drugs which in many cases, can lead to heroin use.

Another is that the violent crime rate has been reduced.

Yet another is that CO has some of the best tax revenue of any state out there.

If people in NH and VT would use their heads and legalize it, they might be able to reduce their heroin problem. One of the uses of medical marijuana is in the treatment of heroin withdrawl, because marijuana helps with nausea, joint pain, and nervousness, all things associated with heroin withdrawl. Matter of fact, saw an episode of Weediquette on VICE Channel where they were using it for treatment for heroin addicts. In the year that they have been operating, they have a 60 percent success rate. Those are unheard of numbers for heroin addicts.

And................fwiw.................marijuana isn't the gateway drug that people try to say it is. If you wouldn't do something sober, you won't do it stoned, because marijuana doesn't reduce your inhibitions. Alcohol on the other hand, DOES. How many stories have we all heard or seen of people who have had too much to drink and did things they wouldn't normally do?

And, as far as the gateway drug to hard drugs? Know what the leading cause is of heroin addiction in the US today? Prescription drugs. People get on painkillers that are prescribed by their doctor, and when the script runs out, they are addicted but can't get any more painkillers, so they turn to the nearest similar substance, which is heroin.
Yes and NO in same cases Pot works better than chemo drugs and this I agree with the substitute for alcohol is not. Whiskey does big damage to the body and so does Pot so smoking it is bad. In pill form not so bad. For Medical use I think it Could be good.


What damage does pot do to the body?
 
Same old played out shit...just as whack-jobs who partake in Zoophilia honestly believe it should be legal to fuck your Labrador, low-life's who use drugs believe drugs should be legalized.
Nobody legit thinks Zoophilia should be legal and nobody legit thinks drugs should be legal.
The desperate reaching and spinning for lame justification will never end...not until twisted-up Leftards have this country in the chaotic, anything goes free for all state their confused, retarded minds desire.

Man you really are ignorant. Go look at all the European countries who have beaten us to the punch.

It works.
Wow? Europe. Socialist losers. How about they defend themselves...see how much $$$ they have for free shit then.
You and brokeloser and Iceweasel give conservatives a bad name. It's like you train to say the most asinine, unsupported, cliched, ad-council derived, unreasoned, shallow, ill-considered, empty-headed, dim-witted, wild-eyed am radio screechfest-sourced, thoughtless, brainless, logic-free, irrational utter bullshit thing there is to say about drug legalization on command. Did you guys find an Instant Every-Negative-Conservative-Stereotype pill or something?
yea weasel thinks if a conservative smokes pot he suddenly becomes Jim Ignatowski.......
 
Idiotic potheads dare to talk about caring for the poor while ignoring the devastation drugs cause in the poorest neighborhoods. Self-indulgent fucking hypocrites.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....


Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.
Potheads don't care about anything but getting high? Bold, unk. Bold and more ignorant than your usual posts.

How about all the executives, judge, attorneys and doctor's, do you think that is all they think of?
 
Idiotic potheads dare to talk about caring for the poor while ignoring the devastation drugs cause in the poorest neighborhoods. Self-indulgent fucking hypocrites.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....


Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.

Dude, I take drops of the CBC's in pot, it doesn't get you high for medical reasons........

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And you never smoke pot. Yeah, I really, really believe you.

I don't like pot and the way it makes me feel, same with pain bills..

I have heard people say that pot doesn't make you addicted...they said the same thing with cocaine in the 1980's..All drugs are addictive..
pot can be mentally addictive,not physically....
 
I'm not sure that's true. I believe I've read that alcohol consumption went down after Prohibition was repealed. That makes perfect sense to me. Making something illegal is often the best way to make it popular. We humans! In any case, as with alcohol, the lion's share of the negative impact on society of the prohibition of both alcohol and drugs derives from their illegality.

Marijuana use increases in Colorado, according to new federal survey – The Denver Post

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com
 
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Because let's face it, if you make all drugs legal, more people will use those drugs.
I'm not sure that's true. I believe I've read that alcohol consumption went down after Prohibition was repealed. That makes perfect sense to me. Making something illegal is often the best way to make it popular. We humans! In any case, as with alcohol, the lion's share of the negative impact on society of the prohibition of both alcohol and drugs derives from their illegality.

Marijuana use increases in Colorado, according to new federal survey – The Denver Post

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?
How many overdose related deaths? Let's compare and contrast that metric.
 
You know, there are several good things that have come from CO legalizing marijuana.

One of which is the reduction in narcotic overdoses, because people no longer need to use prescription drugs which in many cases, can lead to heroin use.

Another is that the violent crime rate has been reduced.

Yet another is that CO has some of the best tax revenue of any state out there.

If people in NH and VT would use their heads and legalize it, they might be able to reduce their heroin problem. One of the uses of medical marijuana is in the treatment of heroin withdrawl, because marijuana helps with nausea, joint pain, and nervousness, all things associated with heroin withdrawl. Matter of fact, saw an episode of Weediquette on VICE Channel where they were using it for treatment for heroin addicts. In the year that they have been operating, they have a 60 percent success rate. Those are unheard of numbers for heroin addicts.

And................fwiw.................marijuana isn't the gateway drug that people try to say it is. If you wouldn't do something sober, you won't do it stoned, because marijuana doesn't reduce your inhibitions. Alcohol on the other hand, DOES. How many stories have we all heard or seen of people who have had too much to drink and did things they wouldn't normally do?

And, as far as the gateway drug to hard drugs? Know what the leading cause is of heroin addiction in the US today? Prescription drugs. People get on painkillers that are prescribed by their doctor, and when the script runs out, they are addicted but can't get any more painkillers, so they turn to the nearest similar substance, which is heroin.
Yes and NO in same cases Pot works better than chemo drugs and this I agree with the substitute for alcohol is not. Whiskey does big damage to the body and so does Pot so smoking it is bad. In pill form not so bad. For Medical use I think it Could be good.


What damage does pot do to the body?
Drugs including pot release a hormone called dopamine in the reward center of the brain..meth releases a larger amount faster, so does heroin..so you get addicted and go down the tubes faster..

Alcohol , cigarettes, pot still release the dopamine , and with time you need more to get the same effect..some this will cause addition and they can not live without it because the body needs it..they need to go through withdrawal..

Same with all drugs..

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Cutting down crime and the criminal population is good. Sometimes drug dealers don't just deal drugs, they commit violent crames allong with the drugs they sell.
 
Cutting down crime and the criminal population is good. Sometimes drug dealers don't just deal drugs, they commit violent crames allong with the drugs they sell.
Well some news is saying any drug arrest, which is wrong... Sessions said himself that it is for the big time dealers.
I am good with that even though I can't stand Sessions.

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Ever try to have a talk with one these "heads" it a real hard/ They can't focus long enough to understand the question or what the answer is.
Maybe you're just boring.
I does something to the brain, sort of like Meth but not as bad. You have to be a heavy user to damage yourself that bad. Look around the net and found a guy who seems pretty informed on the DOJ goals...Unless you have a Key on the table cutting it up you probley would not get arrested by the Feds. The order he said they want the "Big Boys" who transport and the wholesalers. Kind of make sense the street is not where the big money is or the large amounts of drugs are. I have guy I went to school with that used Pot big time and he is not going to live very much longer he has COPD last stage. Sad because he was really smart in school.:chillpill:
 
This isn't a war on drugs. It's a war on violence.

Just like alcohol prohibition, the laws themselves are the cause of the violence. You're right though, it's not a war on drugs, it's a fascist policy-war on American Citizens who use non-government approved (non-taxed) recreational substances. Unlike Prohibition, the violence is mostly in other countries that the US press doesn't cover, so there is hardly any US outrage over that violence.
Ask a heroin addict how recreational it is.
 

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com
Sorry Aries, I usually agree with you..but any buzz is a high while driving. So is taking Ambien ,or any drug that impairs .

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These are active gang members whose activities reach far beyond drugs. Yet, it's just insane to see how much users will accept just to protect drugs. They will accept sex slavery, murder, kidnappings, torture. Users will let drug addicts create carnage on the streets and highways. They seem to have a particular affinity for those who die in the streets with the needle still in their arms.

If you legalize the drugs, you will have more drug addicts, more death and far, far more violence. This is just acceptable to users. Their lives revolve around the next high, the next fix. Why shouldn't every one else's lives revolve around drugs too.

I disagree. I think overall more drug addicts would come clean and seek some kind of help in controlling their addiction. Fewer OD's and far less violence and crime.

Your specious attack on our countrymen is noted. It seem you want to denigrate them to the point that their lives are worthless. Would you prefer death squads or gas chambers for them?
Tipsy hates not just drugs but all those who take them.
 
I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com
Sorry Aries, I usually agree with you..but any buzz is a high while driving. So is taking Ambien ,or any drug that impairs .

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Don't apologize! You said earlier you're not a pot smoker, here's some insight-
People who don't smoke often, and are driving tend to make more mistakes.
People who smoke daily, and are driving tend to see no change in their abilities.
That's science I can personally confirm from experience. lol
 

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com

The Denver study doesn't show that. What it shows is that there are more pot related auto deaths since it's legalization. I don't think that after pot became legal, everybody started to drive smoking and drinking whereas they were only smoking before.
 
Plus, prescription drugs kill way more people every year than illegal drugs, but they have teams of high-paid lawyers on K Street running up and down the halls of Congress, so the fucking government actually PAYS BILLIONS FOR the more dangerous drugs and hands them out to medicaid recipients and everyone else, but these drugs over here, who don't have lobbyists , and are less dangerous, and people WANT to take them, and will pay for them themselves, the fucking government SPENDS BILLIONS to lock those people up in fucking cages (which have their own armies of lawyers on K St making sure the lawmakers create more lawbreakers, i.e., customers.

It is so sick and corrupted people don't even know. But 98% of the population grew up seeing the government's this-is-your-brain-on-fried-eggs propaganda and that's as far as it goes. Like robots. DRUGS. MUST. BE. ILLEGAL.
--------------------------------------------------------- i just watch news from areas like Denver Colorado and all i see is dopers [legal] and that can't be good for the USA except for the legal store owners and the states tax collection . Doctors and their over prescribing is also something that should be stopped CNelson .
A good deal of the news out of Denver has to do with being the first state in the country to legalize pot, so it makes sense they are showing pot users for the b-roll. Significantly, the news coming out of Denver is NOT about runaway violent crime, nor is it about how society has collapsed since drugs were legalized.
--------------------------------------------------------- they look like bums all over the streets and i imagine its the same in other states where pot is legal . One state that i'm thinking of has a small town , maybe 15. 000 people and there must be 20 - 30 legal weed shops in town , maybe more , Can't be good for the USA a nation of dopers CNelson .
What's wrong with dopers?

Remembering when.

Kid, Why do you think they call it Dope?


Those were great ads. We need more of them. NOW. Kids are swayed by pop culture. One of my students is in drug court and I've been trying to nudge her toward visiting younger kids, maybe 6th grade or so, and talking to them about drugs and how some of them can really fuck up your life. She's worked hard and been through hell. You'd think kids seeing their older sibs going through it would catch on, but they don't seem to. Someone needs to catch them young and warn them about the ones that are so damned addictive.
 
Because let's face it, if you make all drugs legal, more people will use those drugs.
I'm not sure that's true. I believe I've read that alcohol consumption went down after Prohibition was repealed. That makes perfect sense to me. Making something illegal is often the best way to make it popular. We humans! In any case, as with alcohol, the lion's share of the negative impact on society of the prohibition of both alcohol and drugs derives from their illegality.

Marijuana use increases in Colorado, according to new federal survey – The Denver Post

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?
How many overdose related deaths? Let's compare and contrast that metric.

Last year over 50,000 American deaths from overdose.
 
I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

  • Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
  • Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
  • Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
  • Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
  • Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
  • Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
  • Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
  • Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com
Sorry Aries, I usually agree with you..but any buzz is a high while driving. So is taking Ambien ,or any drug that impairs .

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Don't apologize! You said earlier you're not a pot smoker, here's some insight-
People who don't smoke often, and are driving tend to make more mistakes.
People who smoke daily, and are driving tend to see no change in their abilities.
That's science I can personally confirm from experience. lol
Perhaps it is like the 1 drink an hour rule..your body metabolises it..depending on your weight 2drinks...

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Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver:2up:

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com
Sorry Aries, I usually agree with you..but any buzz is a high while driving. So is taking Ambien ,or any drug that impairs .

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Don't apologize! You said earlier you're not a pot smoker, here's some insight-
People who don't smoke often, and are driving tend to make more mistakes.
People who smoke daily, and are driving tend to see no change in their abilities.
That's science I can personally confirm from experience. lol
Perhaps it is like the 1 drink an hour rule..your body metabolises it..depending on your weight 2drinks...

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yes depending on tolerance pot will affect everyone differently
 

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