Anti-gunner lunatics are getting hoisted by their own petards.

[PredFan]

And the NRA will be laughing all the way to the bank, all while not doing shit for the average gun owner like myself.

Exactly correct - The NRA used to represent the average sportsman who also prepares for the unlikely event of a home invasion such as myself. They were fairly apolitical.

That changed at the turn of the century. At this point they are whores for industry manufacturers and don't care who they sell to or whether that gun actually has home defense or hunting applications.

The once mighty and respected have fallen.

What changed was the relatively new push to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. The NRA had to step up and step up they did. the NRA protects your right to the gun you pretend to have. To say that they haven't done anything for gun owners is the height of willful ignorance and downright stupidity.

Who are the national politicians currently behind a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Let's have the complete list.

Do you understand that MOST of the progs here in USMB are gun owners?

SBS = Stop Being Stupid

no, they aren't Progs are known and proven liars. The first lie they always tell is they are a gun owner. As for the other question, it's too stupid to answer. Can you read at all?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It's over, you lost.

Not on this one Marion... your NRA is showing Americans just how powerful they are.. No group should have this much power in America..
I understand you want your gun rights but this group is running America behind the scenes

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God I hope so.

You hope that a group is running America, and you hold on to your guns worried about the government? Wow are you brainwashed..

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You at the ones who say we need to get rid of guns , then rely on that government to take care of US while the government once again fails to protect.

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You are listening to the Jibber Jabber that they are feeding you... Try thinking for yourself Andaronjim.

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I do, I am paid to be a critical thinker, which is why I ask questions all the time, but since you are a goosestepping, low information, mindnumbed, useful idiot, you cant realize how fucking stupid you are. Seig Heil , I salute you and your Fascist ways.

 

[ChrisL]

They all lie about the NRA's "money" influence anyways. They don't know what the hell they are talking about, and it is obvious if you dig just a BIT under the surface. As usual, libs use hyperbole and lies because they have NO valid arguments otherwise.

Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

There's only one problem with that theory. It's all wrong.

Of course, the NRA does spend money and it does have a sophisticated and persistent messaging operation. But so do dozens of other organizations and causes. So, how does the NRA stack up against them?

Not too well. The NRA, gun makers, and gun rights issues do not even show up on the OpenSecrets website lists for top lobbying firms, top lobbying sectors, top lobbying issues, or top lobbying industries for the years 1998-2017.

The figures for Florida Senator Marco Rubio are particularly educational, since he has been a target of a lot of anti-NRA screeds since the shooting in his home state. A look at the top 20 donors to Rubio directly and his PAC since 2009 does not include the NRA. Over his career since 2009, Rubio has raised a total of more than $91 million in donations. The NRA is responsible for just over $3 million of that, or 3.3 percent. Big whoop, as they say. Yes, $3 million is a lot of money and more than most of us could ever donate to anything. But context is everything, and the even a so-called "poster boy" for NRA donations would only be 3.3 percent lighter in campaign cash without them.

Again, that certainly doesn't mean the NRA isn't spending a lot of money. But the Poltifact fact-checking website puts the total amount of NRA spending since 1998 at $203 million. That figure is even smaller than it looks when you consider 30 percent of Americans, or about 100 million people, own a gun. By contrast, Wall Street and the broader financial industrial shelled out more than $1.1 billion in the 2016 election cycle alone. The financial industry employs only about six million people in total.

The bulk of that $203 million doesn't actually go to candidates as the hysterical tweets and finger pointers seem to believe. It's spent on those "issue ads" that you see mostly on cable news channels during election years. But even if those ads are extremely influential, they are a much different animal than direct campaign donations to individual congressional and presidential candidates.

There's even a question of whether the NRA is very persuasive among actual gun owners. Fewer than 20 percent of American gun owners are even NRA members. That should tell us something about the "chicken or the egg" argument about the gun lobby. The NRA is much more likely piggybacking off the beliefs of gun owners as opposed to framing them in the first place. The real power is with those voting gun owners, not the lobby group that purports to represent them.

Some gun control advocates are wise to this fact. New America senior fellow Lee Drutman has been working to debunk the myth of the all-powerful NRA's money for several years. Beginning in 2012, he noted the NRA hadn't even made donations to a majority of members of Congress. He also made the correct designation between allegiance and influence. That is, the NRA supports candidates that already align with its philosophy as opposed to paying them to toe the line.

Former New York City mayor and media billionaire Mike Bloomberg has thus made a futile point over the years to combat the NRA's money machine. Bloomberg founded "Everytown for Gun Safety" in 2014based on matching the NRA's financial clout. It hasn't been a total political failure. But in the wake of so many mass shootings since 2014, it's also fair to say Everytown hasn't been able to shepherd any new significant national gun laws to passage either.

I am beginning to see just how wrong you are..just watch the NRA as the people start standing up to them.. They hide behind their little paid off army.

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The NRA is a special interest group (no different than ANY liberal special interest group) that supports and helps to defend our rights. Sorry if that bothers you so much. I will continue to vote against the anti-rights politicians and keep donating money to the NRA for educational ads and such.

That is all fine and dandy...but you are wrong, besides the Big Pharma who has both sides paid off..show be a group that has as much power as the NRA..
So many still think that the NRA is the 2nd Amendment..

Whaaaaat? Lol. Nobody thinks that except for maybe you.

 

[OldLady]

I have a feeling if it said 70% percent oppose stricter gun control laws, you'd be shouting it from the roof tops. No reason to laugh at it.

Show me a poll with a much better sampling size, and I might buy it.

Also, I would like to see the questions. I participated in countless human experiments when I was an undergrad student. I learned really fast how the wording of a question can swing the numbers.

Voting tends to be more persuasive to me, and anytime there is a threat of gun control, DEMOCRATS lose seats. That tells me all I need to know.

I learned really fast how the wording of a question can swing the numbers.
I am aware of that.
Nobody is going to lose seats for this. Nothing is going to get voted on.

 

[PredFan]

They all lie about the NRA's "money" influence anyways. They don't know what the hell they are talking about, and it is obvious if you dig just a BIT under the surface. As usual, libs use hyperbole and lies because they have NO valid arguments otherwise.

Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

There's only one problem with that theory. It's all wrong.

Of course, the NRA does spend money and it does have a sophisticated and persistent messaging operation. But so do dozens of other organizations and causes. So, how does the NRA stack up against them?

Not too well. The NRA, gun makers, and gun rights issues do not even show up on the OpenSecrets website lists for top lobbying firms, top lobbying sectors, top lobbying issues, or top lobbying industries for the years 1998-2017.

The figures for Florida Senator Marco Rubio are particularly educational, since he has been a target of a lot of anti-NRA screeds since the shooting in his home state. A look at the top 20 donors to Rubio directly and his PAC since 2009 does not include the NRA. Over his career since 2009, Rubio has raised a total of more than $91 million in donations. The NRA is responsible for just over $3 million of that, or 3.3 percent. Big whoop, as they say. Yes, $3 million is a lot of money and more than most of us could ever donate to anything. But context is everything, and the even a so-called "poster boy" for NRA donations would only be 3.3 percent lighter in campaign cash without them.

Again, that certainly doesn't mean the NRA isn't spending a lot of money. But the Poltifact fact-checking website puts the total amount of NRA spending since 1998 at $203 million. That figure is even smaller than it looks when you consider 30 percent of Americans, or about 100 million people, own a gun. By contrast, Wall Street and the broader financial industrial shelled out more than $1.1 billion in the 2016 election cycle alone. The financial industry employs only about six million people in total.

The bulk of that $203 million doesn't actually go to candidates as the hysterical tweets and finger pointers seem to believe. It's spent on those "issue ads" that you see mostly on cable news channels during election years. But even if those ads are extremely influential, they are a much different animal than direct campaign donations to individual congressional and presidential candidates.

There's even a question of whether the NRA is very persuasive among actual gun owners. Fewer than 20 percent of American gun owners are even NRA members. That should tell us something about the "chicken or the egg" argument about the gun lobby. The NRA is much more likely piggybacking off the beliefs of gun owners as opposed to framing them in the first place. The real power is with those voting gun owners, not the lobby group that purports to represent them.

Some gun control advocates are wise to this fact. New America senior fellow Lee Drutman has been working to debunk the myth of the all-powerful NRA's money for several years. Beginning in 2012, he noted the NRA hadn't even made donations to a majority of members of Congress. He also made the correct designation between allegiance and influence. That is, the NRA supports candidates that already align with its philosophy as opposed to paying them to toe the line.

Former New York City mayor and media billionaire Mike Bloomberg has thus made a futile point over the years to combat the NRA's money machine. Bloomberg founded "Everytown for Gun Safety" in 2014based on matching the NRA's financial clout. It hasn't been a total political failure. But in the wake of so many mass shootings since 2014, it's also fair to say Everytown hasn't been able to shepherd any new significant national gun laws to passage either.

The NRA are amateurs in the "spending money on politicians" arena.

 

[ChrisL]

I am so sick and tired of your useless meaningless "feel good" laws that ONLY affect those who follow laws, not insane lunatics who want to shoot up schools full of children.

 

[jc456]

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She was clearly talking about ASSAULT-style rifles

Don't be a DERP

No. They banned "assault rifles". That was after they passed the "Assault Weapons" Ban. She was talking about all the other guns and you know it.

Wrong - But that won't keep your clowns from repeating ridiculous assertions about Feinstein until the cows come home.

NRA leader mangles Feinstein quote about taking guns
Ted Cruz misfires on Feinstein gun claim
FACT CHECK: Dianne Feinstein 'Gunman' Quote

That is all fucking bullshit, and you fucking know it.

They had just enacted the "Assault Weapons Ban" so what other fucking guns would she be fucking talking about?

It's a lie. You know it. We know it. Stop denying it, gun-grabbing commie.

sure it is and why they use the language they do. semi automatic weapons. well fk, that's every fking gun that is sold for the most part. As I laugh at they think they can skate that by us.

 

[Moonglow]

They have the right to bear arms and the right included a well regulated militia...What happened to the militia?

Well it looks like your NRA is to powerful of a group..no one entity in America should have the power that this group has over Americans,,
Your protection has infiltrated the whole government system and is crooked as hell.

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I've never been a member of the NRA and never will be...But I have had firearms for forty years and plan on having them till the day I die...

so you're saying that the NRA didn't twist your arm to buy a gun? You were able to purchase on without them?

how is then they influence shootings then?

I never said they did..

never said you did, I'm just curious how they actually influenced the shooter. I asked if you knew. you don't. just like me. no one seems to know this and yet the companies that do business in our country think they did. Along with the set of students that are masquerading around like the NRA helped the shooter.

All just part of the hysterics..

 

[miketx]

Relying on polls is like relying on unarmed people to take out a shooter. The results are not what you want.

 

[PredFan]

To illustrate your point, the Virginia Tech shooter shot 33 people dead. Almost twice what Cruz killed in Parkland. The VT shooter used two pistols with 8 round magazines.

AR-15 = 17 dead
Glock + Walther = 33 dead

Must have been those dangerous 8-round mags.

On a side note, the shooter had to reload his pistols a number of times to do that. It was a gun free zone so no worries for him.

 

[Eaglewings]

Not on this one Marion... your NRA is showing Americans just how powerful they are.. No group should have this much power in America..
I understand you want your gun rights but this group is running America behind the scenes

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God I hope so.

You hope that a group is running America, and you hold on to your guns worried about the government? Wow are you brainwashed..

.

You at the ones who say we need to get rid of guns , then rely on that government to take care of US while the government once again fails to protect.

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You are listening to the Jibber Jabber that they are feeding you... Try thinking for yourself Andaronjim.

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I do, I am paid to be a critical thinker, which is why I ask questions all the time, but since you are a goosestepping, low information, mindnumbed, useful idiot, you cant realize how fucking stupid you are. Seig Heil , I salute you and your Fascist ways.

Just take a look at Delta and United taking away the NRA discounts and the paid off Georgia Gov.. tries to use government taxes ... What a NRA suck up..

.

 

[jc456]

Well it looks like your NRA is to powerful of a group..no one entity in America should have the power that this group has over Americans,,
Your protection has infiltrated the whole government system and is crooked as hell.

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I've never been a member of the NRA and never will be...But I have had firearms for forty years and plan on having them till the day I die...

so you're saying that the NRA didn't twist your arm to buy a gun? You were able to purchase on without them?

how is then they influence shootings then?

I never said they did..

never said you did, I'm just curious how they actually influenced the shooter. I asked if you knew. you don't. just like me. no one seems to know this and yet the companies that do business in our country think they did. Along with the set of students that are masquerading around like the NRA helped the shooter.

All just part of the hysterics..

promoted by a political party influencing our news sources. Sad that our press is owned by a political party rather than using their 1st amendment rights that they use to.

 

[ChrisL]

"Let's not provide security to schools, instead let's try to eliminate bad guys by taking away their tools!" How fucking STUPID is that? That is so goddamn idiotic and dunce elementary thinking that I can't even believe it!

 

[PredFan]

Cant cheer up a miserable liberal, they cant ever be happy. Which is why they must FORCE their misery on the rest of US and the 2nd amendment wont let that happen. See?

You are the ones forcing Americans to die by your damn killing laws.. Remember that assault guns expired in 2004..its your corrupt NRA made sure that they didn't renew the ban.

It's over, you lost.

Not on this one Marion... your NRA is showing Americans just how powerful they are.. No group should have this much power in America..
I understand you want your gun rights but this group is running America behind the scenes

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God I hope so.

You hope that a group is running America, and you hold on to your guns worried about the government? Wow are you brainwashed..

.

No you illiterate moron, no one is stupid enough to believe that the NRA runs the country except you. I'm hoping that their money does actually buy politicians so that my rights can be protected.

 

[jc456]

God I hope so.

You hope that a group is running America, and you hold on to your guns worried about the government? Wow are you brainwashed..

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You at the ones who say we need to get rid of guns , then rely on that government to take care of US while the government once again fails to protect.

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You are listening to the Jibber Jabber that they are feeding you... Try thinking for yourself Andaronjim.

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I do, I am paid to be a critical thinker, which is why I ask questions all the time, but since you are a goosestepping, low information, mindnumbed, useful idiot, you cant realize how fucking stupid you are. Seig Heil , I salute you and your Fascist ways.

Just take a look at Delta and United taking away the NRA discounts and the paid off Georgia Gov.. tries to use government taxes ... What a NRA suck up..

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good for them. some respect to those who had nothing to do with an individual who shot up a school. Reasoning coming to the front.

 

[Moonglow]

I've never been a member of the NRA and never will be...But I have had firearms for forty years and plan on having them till the day I die...

so you're saying that the NRA didn't twist your arm to buy a gun? You were able to purchase on without them?

how is then they influence shootings then?

I never said they did..

never said you did, I'm just curious how they actually influenced the shooter. I asked if you knew. you don't. just like me. no one seems to know this and yet the companies that do business in our country think they did. Along with the set of students that are masquerading around like the NRA helped the shooter.

All just part of the hysterics..

promoted by a political party influencing our news sources. Sad that our press is owned by a political party rather than using their 1st amendment rights that they use to.

It's own by corporate conglomerate companies that have a social and political agenda. One of the reasons why the Founding Fathers didn't want corporations to be considered individuals but enemies of the state...Yet that was all changed in the 1880's...

 

[PredFan]

They all lie about the NRA's "money" influence anyways. They don't know what the hell they are talking about, and it is obvious if you dig just a BIT under the surface. As usual, libs use hyperbole and lies because they have NO valid arguments otherwise.

Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

There's only one problem with that theory. It's all wrong.

Of course, the NRA does spend money and it does have a sophisticated and persistent messaging operation. But so do dozens of other organizations and causes. So, how does the NRA stack up against them?

Not too well. The NRA, gun makers, and gun rights issues do not even show up on the OpenSecrets website lists for top lobbying firms, top lobbying sectors, top lobbying issues, or top lobbying industries for the years 1998-2017.

The figures for Florida Senator Marco Rubio are particularly educational, since he has been a target of a lot of anti-NRA screeds since the shooting in his home state. A look at the top 20 donors to Rubio directly and his PAC since 2009 does not include the NRA. Over his career since 2009, Rubio has raised a total of more than $91 million in donations. The NRA is responsible for just over $3 million of that, or 3.3 percent. Big whoop, as they say. Yes, $3 million is a lot of money and more than most of us could ever donate to anything. But context is everything, and the even a so-called "poster boy" for NRA donations would only be 3.3 percent lighter in campaign cash without them.

Again, that certainly doesn't mean the NRA isn't spending a lot of money. But the Poltifact fact-checking website puts the total amount of NRA spending since 1998 at $203 million. That figure is even smaller than it looks when you consider 30 percent of Americans, or about 100 million people, own a gun. By contrast, Wall Street and the broader financial industrial shelled out more than $1.1 billion in the 2016 election cycle alone. The financial industry employs only about six million people in total.

The bulk of that $203 million doesn't actually go to candidates as the hysterical tweets and finger pointers seem to believe. It's spent on those "issue ads" that you see mostly on cable news channels during election years. But even if those ads are extremely influential, they are a much different animal than direct campaign donations to individual congressional and presidential candidates.

There's even a question of whether the NRA is very persuasive among actual gun owners. Fewer than 20 percent of American gun owners are even NRA members. That should tell us something about the "chicken or the egg" argument about the gun lobby. The NRA is much more likely piggybacking off the beliefs of gun owners as opposed to framing them in the first place. The real power is with those voting gun owners, not the lobby group that purports to represent them.

Some gun control advocates are wise to this fact. New America senior fellow Lee Drutman has been working to debunk the myth of the all-powerful NRA's money for several years. Beginning in 2012, he noted the NRA hadn't even made donations to a majority of members of Congress. He also made the correct designation between allegiance and influence. That is, the NRA supports candidates that already align with its philosophy as opposed to paying them to toe the line.

Former New York City mayor and media billionaire Mike Bloomberg has thus made a futile point over the years to combat the NRA's money machine. Bloomberg founded "Everytown for Gun Safety" in 2014based on matching the NRA's financial clout. It hasn't been a total political failure. But in the wake of so many mass shootings since 2014, it's also fair to say Everytown hasn't been able to shepherd any new significant national gun laws to passage either.

I am beginning to see just how wrong you are..just watch the NRA as the people start standing up to them.. They hide behind their little paid off army.

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Just watch the millennials you are counting on, get bored and go back to their own lives.

 

[ChrisL]

That's IT!!! Let's declare this zone a safe gun free zone! That will take care of these bad guys!

 

[Moonglow]

"Let's not provide security to schools, instead let's try to eliminate bad guys by taking away their tools!" How fucking STUPID is that? That is so goddamn idiotic and dunce elementary thinking that I can't even believe it!

How much do you imbibe for breakfast?

 

[rshermn]

I've never been a member of the NRA and never will be...But I have had firearms for forty years and plan on having them till the day I die...

so you're saying that the NRA didn't twist your arm to buy a gun? You were able to purchase on without them?

how is then they influence shootings then?

I never said they did..

never said you did, I'm just curious how they actually influenced the shooter. I asked if you knew. you don't. just like me. no one seems to know this and yet the companies that do business in our country think they did. Along with the set of students that are masquerading around like the NRA helped the shooter.

All just part of the hysterics..

promoted by a political party influencing our news sources. Sad that our press is owned by a political party rather than using their 1st amendment rights that they use to.

Yup, I agree. Fox is a joke. But then, you actually like it.