Anti-Islam ads on NYC buses. Whose side are you on?

[Coyote]

Breitbart is not exactly considered a "reputable" or factual source.:
How Breitbart Got Away With His Lies
Andrew Breitbart Remembering a traitor who used lies and trickery to deceive his fellow Americans Haire of the Dog Charleston City Paper

The underhanded poster who just used a terrorist website named after a campaign to mass murder Jews is complaining about sources, now, is she??

What website is that?

 

[Coyote]

Well now this is interesting. Pro-Israel groups riled by pro-Muslim ads, pro-Muslim sentiment in our universities, text books, govt decisions, etc. from recent years are fighting back. I imagine they are fighting back because of the ignorance of many in the West, or their indifference to how Israel is being treated and continuously attacked and threatened by so many Islamic circles, cells and violent hate groups. Or how our universities are so anti-Israel and sponsor boycotts and are conspicuously silent against Islamic terrorism. If you took a poll I doubt Israel would even come out ahead as to what Americans or Western Europeans consider to be the biggest threat to peace or the most agitating force in the Middle East.

This right wing Pro-Israeli organization says its intention is to counter this widespread ignorance or bias against Israel. I think they have a very legitimate point. Do I agree with their ads they are about to run?, no I do not. Too incendiary. I would have worded things much differently. But I give them credit for their courage. They are surely not going to be welcome by the general public or by the media in the West. Maybe Obama will find this another great opportunity to show how much he cannot tolerate anything Israel and also how unfair we in the West have been towards Islam. And don't you Christian dare complain or mount your high horses. Remember the Alamo... I mean Crusades. :0

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Judge Allows 'Killing Jews Is Worship' Ads on NYC Transport

Wednesday, 22 Apr 2015 12:24 PM By Melanie Batley

An ad that says, "Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" should be permitted to appear on New York City buses and subways, a federal judge has ruled.

The advert was created by a pro-Israel organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). It features an image of a young man in a checkered headscarf and was designed to highlight what the AFDI argues are Muslim attitudes toward Jews,

The ad was originally rejected by New York's Metropolitan Transport Authority (MTA), which said that they were "savage" and demeaned Muslims and Palestinians while at the same time could incite violence against Jews.

U.S. District Judge John Koeltl has ruled that the MTA cannot stop the ads from running

In the judgment, he said that MTA officials "underestimate the tolerant quality of New Yorkers and overestimate the potential impact of these fleeting advertisements."

He added: "Moreover, there is no evidence that seeing one of these advertisements on the back of a bus would be sufficient to trigger a violent reaction. Therefore, these ads — offensive as they may be — are still entitled to First Amendment protection."

AFDI co-founder Pamela Geller tweeted her delight at the ruling, saying that it was "a triumph for liberty and free speech."

The ad is intended to be a parody of an ad put out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a civil liberties group that promotes the rights of Muslims and better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims.

In 2012 and 2013, CAIR ran posters in several American cities promoting peaceful versions of Islam. " '#MyJihad is to build friendships across the aisle.' What's yours?" read one.

In his ruling in favor of AFDI, Koeltl said the ads could not reasonably be considered an incitement to violence, even if someone didn't understand them.

"The defendants admit that the actual intention of the advertisement is not to advocate the use of force, but to parody the CAIR 'My Jihad' campaign and to criticize Hamas and radical Islam.

"However, they argue that a reasonable New Yorker would not read the advertisement this way, but would instead read it as advocating the killing of Jewish people," Koeltl wrote, according to the Post. "The defendants' theory is thoroughly unpersuasive."

No love for Islam, but this kind of propaganda aginst Islam is exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews in the years prior to the Holocaust.

Agree. And pointing that out, or fighting against that kind of propaganda doesn't mean you love a religion, agree with all aspects - it's calling it what it is - propoganda of hate.

 

[Coyote]

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So, you liberals, freedom of speech is ONLY a bitch when it's YOUR speech that somebody's trying to suppress! Anybody else's? Fair game, huh?

Sorry, Dudette, it don't work that way.

Na. It's all free speech.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Breitbart is not exactly considered a "reputable" or factual source.:
How Breitbart Got Away With His Lies
Andrew Breitbart Remembering a traitor who used lies and trickery to deceive his fellow Americans Haire of the Dog Charleston City Paper

The underhanded poster who just used a terrorist website named after a campaign to mass murder Jews is complaining about sources, now, is she??

What website is that?

You were promoting the views of electronic intifada quite recently.

Are you becoming so brain addled you can't even remember?

 

[Coyote]

Breitbart is not exactly considered a "reputable" or factual source.:
How Breitbart Got Away With His Lies
Andrew Breitbart Remembering a traitor who used lies and trickery to deceive his fellow Americans Haire of the Dog Charleston City Paper

The underhanded poster who just used a terrorist website named after a campaign to mass murder Jews is complaining about sources, now, is she??

What website is that?

You were promoting the views of electronic intifada quite recently.

Are you becoming so brain addled you can't even remember?

I recall comparing EI to Pamela Geller's AtlasShrugs and putting them both in the category of hate sites. Perhaps you can show me where I "promoted" their views?

Are you making shit up again?

 

[50_RiaL]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

 

[Katzndogz]

The ad only says what's true.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Well just ask yourself this one question. If that sign was about black people instead of Jews would it be free speech or hate speech?

It's in the Koran. It is carried out by many malevolent forces because they are abiding by their religious teachings. It is being sponsored by many so-called "benign" Islamic organizations in the West clandestinely. Many are funding murderers, including CAIR. I, for one, cannot tolerate the cowards in congress and the indifference of our people and the demagogues in the media.

To answer your question, I would not be in favor of anything of that nature against black people.
Black people do not have an ideology however shared by their masses, unlike masses in Islam so I do see a real difference.

I also made very clear that I did not support the ads, but is that not relevant to your response?

What angers me is how little is being done by govts in the West to take on fanatical Islam. I do not care to read about more young girls being raped and made into sex slaves or other children being beheaded in front of their parents. But that's just me.

I only asked the question. If our mass transit system allowed those signs against black people instead of Jews would it be free speech or hate speech? I think you know the answer.

Yes, I know the answer, but it is really not relevant or fair to make such a comparison. I think you knew that answer, too.

It certainly is fair. It illustrates a double standard. You know and I know if those signs were about black people instead of Jews there would be national justified outrage! Why are Jews fair game all of a sudden. I call it hate speech.

Blacks have an agenda empowered by obuthole and the AG.

 

[Coyote]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

 

[Coyote]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

I've never sided with Islamist hatred, or extremism, or terrorism and I defy you to provide an actual quote showing I have.

 

[Jroc]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

I've never sided with Islamist hatred, or extremism, or terrorism and I defy you to provide an actual quote showing I have.

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

I have wondered if she is the fat Islamist toad in question as well.

She sure seemed to take it personally that anybody would actually object to the creature's unambiguous call for a genocide of Jews.

 

[Coyote]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

I've never sided with Islamist hatred, or extremism, or terrorism and I defy you to provide an actual quote showing I have.

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

I side with this: UCSD Muslim Student Responds to David Horowitz Event For Truth For Justice For Peace

Your lie is duly noted, but not surprising.

 

[Coyote]

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

I have wondered if she is the fat Islamist toad in question as well.

She sure seemed to take it personally that anybody would actually object to the creature's unambiguous call for a genocide of Jews.

Making shit up again Dogma? You don't seem to have much interaction with honesty.

 

[Jroc]

I'm still waiting for a Muslim mass rally denouncing 9/11. I side with Pamela Geller.

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

I've never sided with Islamist hatred, or extremism, or terrorism and I defy you to provide an actual quote showing I have.

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

I side with this: UCSD Muslim Student Responds to David Horowitz Event For Truth For Justice For Peace

Your lie is duly noted, but not surprising.

She couldn't hear what he said? over the microphone so loud it echoed? You're a weak, pathetic, lying bitch.

I could no longer hear Mr. Horowitz speaking and so did not even hear his injection of Hezbollah’s credo of “rounding up” Jews in his last tangent.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

She couldn't hear what he said? over the microphone so loud it echoed? You're a weak, pathetic, lying bitch.

What I find interesting is the similarity in writing styles between the fat Islamist toad and the practitioner of agitprop called Coyote. The phrasing is similar, the double talk should be more than familiar by now, and the pattern of deceit absolutely the same.

Agent Coyote's main shtick is to support and defend Islamist attitudes, immediately deny she has just done so, and call anybody a liar who calls her on it. It's quite the customary agitprop technique whereby calling truthful people liars, she hopes to create such a background of rhetorical interference that the casual reader really doesn't know the difference.

The only reason the fat Islamist toad tried to backpedal is that she was caught on camera. The only reason Coyote supports the backpedaling and actually went so far in the thread in question as to demand other people start attacking Jews with her, instead, is that she shares the same agenda.

 

[Coyote]

It's always interesting to see who sides with hate.

Yes, but you don't HAVE to side with Islamist hatred like you do, coyote. It's still a free country. Well, at least until you people get your way.

I've never sided with Islamist hatred, or extremism, or terrorism and I defy you to provide an actual quote showing I have.

You're a liar, you side with this women. or maybe you are she? or She is you?

I side with this: UCSD Muslim Student Responds to David Horowitz Event For Truth For Justice For Peace

Your lie is duly noted, but not surprising.

She couldn't hear what he said? over the microphone so loud it echoed? You're a weak, pathetic, lying bitch.

I could no longer hear Mr. Horowitz speaking and so did not even hear his injection of Hezbollah’s credo of “rounding up” Jews in his last tangent.

And you are a pathetic hypocrite who thinks that an Israeli MP expressing genocidal ambitions is "hot" and "sexy".

 

[Coyote]

She couldn't hear what he said? over the microphone so loud it echoed? You're a weak, pathetic, lying bitch.

What I find interesting is the similarity in writing styles between the fat Islamist toad and the practitioner of agitprop called Coyote. The phrasing is similar, the double talk should be more than familiar by now, and the pattern of deceit absolutely the same.

Agent Coyote's main shtick is to support and defend Islamist attitudes, immediately deny she has just done so, and call anybody a liar who calls her on it. It's quite the customary agitprop technique whereby calling truthful people liars, she hopes to create such a background of rhetorical interference that the casual reader really doesn't know the difference.

The only reason the fat Islamist toad tried to backpedal is that she was caught on camera. The only reason Coyote supports the backpedaling and actually went so far in the thread in question as to demand other people start attacking Jews with her, instead, is that she shares the same agenda.

What I find interesting is a person like you seldom engages the actual topic but rather prefers to indulge in personal attacks against his opponent through outright lies. When asked to provide an actual link you fail miserably.

You defend the hatred of folks like Pamela Geller, and the genocidal statements of a certain Israeli MP while demanding we attack this student and ignore her rebuttal.

And, perhaps - you can show us where I "demanded other people start attacking Jews" - a link perhaps if you have the integrity? In that thread I criticized Horowitz and Horowitz ONLY. I defy you to provide a link you lying piece of shit. You can't win an argument, so you feel compelled to make shit up. Well here's your chance sweetheart - put up or shut up.

 

[Donald Polish]

Well now this is interesting. Pro-Israel groups riled by pro-Muslim ads, pro-Muslim sentiment in our universities, text books, govt decisions, etc. from recent years are fighting back. I imagine they are fighting back because of the ignorance of many in the West, or their indifference to how Israel is being treated and continuously attacked and threatened by so many Islamic circles, cells and violent hate groups. Or how our universities are so anti-Israel and sponsor boycotts and are conspicuously silent against Islamic terrorism. If you took a poll I doubt Israel would even come out ahead as to what Americans or Western Europeans consider to be the biggest threat to peace or the most agitating force in the Middle East.

This right wing Pro-Israeli organization says its intention is to counter this widespread ignorance or bias against Israel. I think they have a very legitimate point. Do I agree with their ads they are about to run?, no I do not. Too incendiary. I would have worded things much differently. But I give them credit for their courage. They are surely not going to be welcome by the general public or by the media in the West. Maybe Obama will find this another great opportunity to show how much he cannot tolerate anything Israel and also how unfair we in the West have been towards Islam. And don't you Christian dare complain or mount your high horses. Remember the Alamo... I mean Crusades. :0

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Judge Allows 'Killing Jews Is Worship' Ads on NYC Transport

Wednesday, 22 Apr 2015 12:24 PM By Melanie Batley

An ad that says, "Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" should be permitted to appear on New York City buses and subways, a federal judge has ruled.

The advert was created by a pro-Israel organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI). It features an image of a young man in a checkered headscarf and was designed to highlight what the AFDI argues are Muslim attitudes toward Jews,

The ad was originally rejected by New York's Metropolitan Transport Authority (MTA), which said that they were "savage" and demeaned Muslims and Palestinians while at the same time could incite violence against Jews.

U.S. District Judge John Koeltl has ruled that the MTA cannot stop the ads from running

In the judgment, he said that MTA officials "underestimate the tolerant quality of New Yorkers and overestimate the potential impact of these fleeting advertisements."

He added: "Moreover, there is no evidence that seeing one of these advertisements on the back of a bus would be sufficient to trigger a violent reaction. Therefore, these ads — offensive as they may be — are still entitled to First Amendment protection."

AFDI co-founder Pamela Geller tweeted her delight at the ruling, saying that it was "a triumph for liberty and free speech."

The ad is intended to be a parody of an ad put out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a civil liberties group that promotes the rights of Muslims and better relations between Muslims and non-Muslims.

In 2012 and 2013, CAIR ran posters in several American cities promoting peaceful versions of Islam. " '#MyJihad is to build friendships across the aisle.' What's yours?" read one.

In his ruling in favor of AFDI, Koeltl said the ads could not reasonably be considered an incitement to violence, even if someone didn't understand them.

"The defendants admit that the actual intention of the advertisement is not to advocate the use of force, but to parody the CAIR 'My Jihad' campaign and to criticize Hamas and radical Islam.

"However, they argue that a reasonable New Yorker would not read the advertisement this way, but would instead read it as advocating the killing of Jewish people," Koeltl wrote, according to the Post. "The defendants' theory is thoroughly unpersuasive."

Anti-Islamic propaganda is a reasonable reaction to the Islamization of the USA. I do not see anything criminal at these ads. Moreover I invite you to participate in anti-Islamic marches like in Drezden in April. My idea is simple: if you don't like smth or you are afraid of smth. - show your fear and express you anger. Let people know you opinion!