Any Conservatives Want Some Help?

[Mojo2]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.

Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

 

[BULLDOG]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

 

[Mojo2]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.


Bottom line, once the private insurers all back out of participating in ACA it WILL become a One Payer System, as it was designed to become, all along.

One payer = Paying the Government.

And the Government will have all your financial and medical records and be in charge of both and able to use that info to make decisions based on what IT wants, not you.

They will have stolen your sovereignty for the price of a lousy insurance plan and you can't wait to give it away.

Well, once they are our masters (that's what ceding your sovereignty to the government means) we will be subjects to the all powerful government.

That is NOT how it is now nor has it ever been in our nation's history.

But YOU will make it so that we will only regain control of OUR government through force, as we did when we fought Great Britain.

But do you think we'd stand a chance next time?
​

 

[BULLDOG]

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

 

[Mojo2]

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

Now that you have entertained that question I will leave it to you to use your friend, Google, to find the answer.

My work is done.

But here's some info that will point you in the right direction.

 

[BULLDOG]

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

Now that you have entertained that question I will leave it to you to use your friend, Google, to find the answer.

My work is done.

But here's some info that will point you in the right direction.

So you admit that your remark about Obamacare robbing my sovereignty is just more crazy ranting by a crazy right winger........Right? You want to discuss those problems with your little story now?

 

[Mojo2]

One more thing...

Thomas Sowell: How 'Obamacare' turns you into subjects

Whenever we stand on the threshold of a new year, we are tempted to forget the hazards of prophecy, and try to see what may lie on the other side of this arbitrary division of time.

Sometimes we are content to try to change ourselves with New Year's resolutions to do better in some respect. Changing ourselves is a much more reasonable undertaking than trying to change other people. It may or may not succeed, but it seldom creates the disasters that trying to change others can produce.

When we look beyond ourselves to the world around us, peering into the future can be a very sobering, if not depressing, experience.

"Obamacare" looms large and menacing on our horizon. This is not just because of computer problems, or even because some people who think that they have enrolled may discover at their next visit to a doctor that they do not have any insurance coverage.

What Obamacare has done, thanks to Chief Justice Roberts' Supreme Court decision, is reduce us all from free citizens to cowed subjects, whom the federal government can order around in our own personal lives, in defiance of the 10th Amendment and all the other protections of our freedom in the Constitution of the United States.

Obamacare is more than a medical problem, though there are predictable medical problems — and even catastrophes — that will unfold in the course of 2014 and beyond. Our betters have now been empowered to run our lives, with whatever combination of arrogance and incompetence they may have, or however much they lie.

The challenges ahead are much clearer than what our responses will be. Perhaps the most hopeful sign is that increasing numbers of people seem to have finally — after nearly five long years — begun to see Barack Obama for what he is, rather than for what he seemed to be, when judged by his image and rhetoric.

What kind of man would blithely disrupt the medical care of millions of Americans, and then repeatedly lie to them with glib assurances that they could keep their doctors or health insurance if they wanted to?

What kind of man would set up a system in which people would be forced by law to risk their life savings, because they had to divulge their financial identification numbers to strangers who could turn out to be convicted felons?

With all the time that elapsed between the passage of Obamacare and its going into effect, why were the so-called "navigators" who were to be handling other people's financial records never investigated for criminal convictions? What explanation could there be, other than that Obama didn't care?

Caring is not a matter of words. "By their fruits ye shall know them" -- not by their rhetoric, image or symbolism.

Those who have still not yet seen through Barack Obama will have many more opportunities to do so during the coming year, as the medical, financial and other painful human consequences of Obamacare keep coming out in ways so clear that not even the mainstream media can ignore them or obscure them.

The question then is: What can be done about it? Nothing can be done about Obama himself. He has three more years in office and, as he pointed out to the Russians, he will no longer have to face the American voters.

Obamacare, however, has no such immunity. It is always hard to repeal an elaborate program after it has gone into effect. But Prohibition was repealed, even though it was a Constitutional Amendment that required super-majorities in both houses of Congress and super-majorities of state legislatures to repeal.

In our two-party system, everything depends on whether the Republicans step up to the plate and act like responsible adults who understand that Obamacare represents a historic crossroads that will determine what kind of people we are going to be, for this generation and generations yet unborn — citizens or subjects.

This means that Republicans have to decide whether their top priority is internal strife among the different wings of the party — another circular firing squad — or whether either wing puts the country first.

A prediction on how that will turn out in the new year would be far too hazardous to attempt.​

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com.

Thomas Sowell How Obamacare turns you into subjects - The Daily Journal National Columnists

 

[Mojo2]

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama

Just so I'm clear on this.



Are you saying you would give up your sovereignty forever in exchange for having a crappy health care insurance plan?

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

Now that you have entertained that question I will leave it to you to use your friend, Google, to find the answer.

My work is done.

But here's some info that will point you in the right direction.

So you admit that your remark about Obamacare robbing my sovereignty is just more crazy ranting by a crazy right winger........Right? You want to discuss those problems with your little story now?

Stop your impertinence or I will stop being so even tempered with you.

 

[BULLDOG]

Well, no. That isn't a choice that I or anyone else had to make, and only an idiot would think it was. Just because you repeat crazy statements doesn't make them true. Are you saying you actually believe all that crazy crap that you post?

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

Now that you have entertained that question I will leave it to you to use your friend, Google, to find the answer.

My work is done.

But here's some info that will point you in the right direction.

So you admit that your remark about Obamacare robbing my sovereignty is just more crazy ranting by a crazy right winger........Right? You want to discuss those problems with your little story now?

Stop your impertinence or I will stop being so even tempered with you.

My posts are extremely pertinent, especially concerning your claims. The fact that I'm not easily distracted, and prefer to settle one question at a time seems to bother you though. You really didn't expect me to let such a ridiculous claim that Obamacare would rob me of my sovereignty forever, to pass unquestioned did you? Now, do you want to discuss those problems in your little story or not?

 

[Mojo2]

Mojo thinking to himself: 'Okay, what brilliant and honest political analyst should I use to educate this one? Hmmm... Well, this Bulldog seems to be a committed political ideologue. Instead of a brilliant and honest political analyst maybe I should employ evidence from a Socialist/Marxist/Jihadist/Liar to help Bulldog see the light.'

Okay, consider this from someone I THINK you will recognize.

Published on Jul 5, 2012
ObamaCare a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer

In 2009 when Obama was pushing universal healthcare, he quickly realized that his dreams of a single-payer, government-run socialized system would never pass Congress. His other option was a "public option," which most knew to be a Trojan Horse for single-payer, slowly eviscerating the private insurance industry. The "compromise" (if we can call Obama compromising with himself) was ObamaCare.

The ObamaCare debate has been overshadowed by whether the Individual Mandate is constitutional (it is not, despite what Roberts and the gaggle of liberal justices state). What has been lost in the conversation is the States' Health Care Exchanges.

We have an entity that will absorb 20-30 million new enrollees as Medicaid eligibility is expanded to 135% of the federal poverty level, which increase in enrollee numbers will be funded by the federal government (at least initially).

The federal government will be writing the insurance regulations for the health exchanges, but at the same time, under ObamaCare, will also be writing the requirements for private insurers.

Keep in mind that we are all concerned with the fact that private citizens will be required to purchase health insurance. But what we lose sight of is that they will have to purchase the "correct" insurance.

Let us set up a hypothetical situation. Let us say ABC Insurance is not particularly fond of ObamaCare. Does not have employees that donated to Obama's campaign. But XYZ Insurance is a strong Obama supporter.

ObamaCare has already required 13,000 pages of regulations to implement the law, and that is just the tip of the iceberg for what is to come. Let us say that one of the hundreds of ObamaCare boards determines that ABC Insurance does not offer the "correct" insurance—doing this as a punishment for not supporting Obama—but only after they have sold tens of thousands of policies. Some clerk at ABC Insurance had missed some obscure rule buried in a small-print footnote.

After tens of thousands of private citizens have already purchased healthcare from ABC Insurance, they find a "penalty" (now a "tax" per the Supreme Court) from the IRS in the mailbox for 1% of their total income—let us say $2000 because ABC Insurance's policy has been determined invalid. There "happens" to be a note in with the IRS bill that XYZ Insurance has been found to comply with ObamaCare regulations.

As time goes on, the public becomes fearful that they will not buy the "correct" insurance from whatever company and so slowly the public moves to the Health Exchanges, which will continue to loosen their enrollee income requirements, thus driving private insurance companies out of business.

The Health Exchanges de facto, then become Obama's Public Option, and when there are no more private insurers, the federal government takes over the States' Health Exchanges, creating a single-payer system.

The Public Option, via ObamaCare thus becomes a socialist Trojan Horse that can be repeated in any industry with a little tinkering.​

WOW...You worked that out all by yourself, did you? Right off I see about four big things wrong with that, and we can talk about them, but before we do lets go back to your last crazy post. How exactly does any of your cute little fairy tale, or anything else about Obamacare rob me of my sovereignty forever?

Now that you have entertained that question I will leave it to you to use your friend, Google, to find the answer.

My work is done.

But here's some info that will point you in the right direction.

So you admit that your remark about Obamacare robbing my sovereignty is just more crazy ranting by a crazy right winger........Right? You want to discuss those problems with your little story now?

Stop your impertinence or I will stop being so even tempered with you.

My posts are extremely pertinent, especially concerning your claims. The fact that I'm not easily distracted, and prefer to settle one question at a time seems to bother you though. You really didn't expect me to let such a ridiculous claim that Obamacare would rob me of my sovereignty forever, to pass unquestioned did you? Now, do you want to discuss those problems in your little story or not?

Not with you!

I have implanted the seed of truth in your pea brain and I await the day it will sprout inside your consciousness.

You will NEVER forget this assertion.

And YOU will always be on the lookout for evidence which will either prove or disprove it.

It's like a demon spawn in your brain and YOU will not be able to rest until you find out if it is true or not.

My job is done.

It is YOU who will prove the assertion, not I.

Enjoy my demon seed in your brain.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

HA

 

[Conservative65]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

You are correct, but no insurance policy pretty much guarantees little or no quality healthcare unless you are rich.

Oh....they are all rich. We've got several multi-millionaire conservatives posting in these forums. Some of them are so rich that they don't even know how much money they have.

I noticed that too. Must be conservatives from blue states, cause red states receive more welfare and other help than anyone else.

I live in one of those red States you say gets more. The intersting part is the only blue district within it, the poorest by far, greatly exceeds any amount the other 6 red district gets. For what you say to be valid, you'd have to show me that those voting red are the only ones getting welfare assistance. You can't do that.

 

[Conservative65]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

 

[LoneLaugher]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

 

[Conservative65]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Der...........otayyyyyyyyyy!

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

You sure do mislead others. You still have your job, don't you? Then,..what's the problem? You made it seem as though you lost your health insurance somehow.

 

[Conservative65]

you are so stupid

you make in fucking sick

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

You sure do mislead others. You still have your job, don't you? Then,..what's the problem? You made it seem as though you lost your health insurance somehow.

I stated a fact. Apparently you missed the part about compensation being the reason I received it. I still have a job and part of what I get "paid" to do that job includes healthcare at no cost to me. The problem is those who aren't being provided that same coverage as part of compensation think the government should force their employer to do what mine chose to do. The low skilled workers wants to be compensated what having highly regarded skills got me. Just another example of people thinking they are owed something then whining because they don't get what someone else does. Their answer is to have the government force it on someone else to provide it to them. When 4 of 5 on the exchanges get a subsidy in order to buy it, who the hell do you think is funding it?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Sick? Aren't you glad affordable healthcare is available? Thanks Obama.

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

You sure do mislead others. You still have your job, don't you? Then,..what's the problem? You made it seem as though you lost your health insurance somehow.

I stated a fact. Apparently you missed the part about compensation being the reason I received it. I still have a job and part of what I get "paid" to do that job includes healthcare at no cost to me. The problem is those who aren't being provided that same coverage as part of compensation think the government should force their employer to do what mine chose to do. The low skilled workers wants to be compensated what having highly regarded skills got me. Just another example of people thinking they are owed something then whining because they don't get what someone else does. Their answer is to have the government force it on someone else to provide it to them. When 4 of 5 on the exchanges get a subsidy in order to buy it, who the hell do you think is funding it?

Did you lose your affordable health care or didn't you?

 

[Conservative65]

I had affordable healthcare before Obamacare. Had spinal fusion surgery several years ago. Cost me a total of less than $500 out of pocket. Should I thank that POS for that?

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

You sure do mislead others. You still have your job, don't you? Then,..what's the problem? You made it seem as though you lost your health insurance somehow.

I stated a fact. Apparently you missed the part about compensation being the reason I received it. I still have a job and part of what I get "paid" to do that job includes healthcare at no cost to me. The problem is those who aren't being provided that same coverage as part of compensation think the government should force their employer to do what mine chose to do. The low skilled workers wants to be compensated what having highly regarded skills got me. Just another example of people thinking they are owed something then whining because they don't get what someone else does. Their answer is to have the government force it on someone else to provide it to them. When 4 of 5 on the exchanges get a subsidy in order to buy it, who the hell do you think is funding it?

Did you lose your affordable health care or didn't you?

You focus on the wrong things. It's not affordable if you consider the deductible, copays, etc. went up. What it covers is the same. What it will cost me went up. In addition, guess who is paying the subsidies? Also, I got mine because my employer decided I was worth it. The leeches will get their because they didn't like being told no and went to the government to have it forcibly provided to them. Makes me a better PERSON. I earned mine. They voted themselves theirs.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You bought this health insurance on the individual market? Interesting. What was the name if the plan and what state do you live in? What were your monthly premiums?

I got it through my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

I don't have premiums. They are paid by my employer as part of my COMPENSATION.

You do know what compensation means don't you? Unlike those receiving subsidies under Obamacare, I actually have to do something valuable in order to get my coverage. They don't have to do anything but claim they can't afford to buy theirs.

You sure do mislead others. You still have your job, don't you? Then,..what's the problem? You made it seem as though you lost your health insurance somehow.

I stated a fact. Apparently you missed the part about compensation being the reason I received it. I still have a job and part of what I get "paid" to do that job includes healthcare at no cost to me. The problem is those who aren't being provided that same coverage as part of compensation think the government should force their employer to do what mine chose to do. The low skilled workers wants to be compensated what having highly regarded skills got me. Just another example of people thinking they are owed something then whining because they don't get what someone else does. Their answer is to have the government force it on someone else to provide it to them. When 4 of 5 on the exchanges get a subsidy in order to buy it, who the hell do you think is funding it?

Did you lose your affordable health care or didn't you?

You focus on the wrong things. It's not affordable if you consider the deductible, copays, etc. went up. What it covers is the same. What it will cost me went up. In addition, guess who is paying the subsidies? Also, I got mine because my employer decided I was worth it. The leeches will get their because they didn't like being told no and went to the government to have it forcibly provided to them. Makes me a better PERSON. I earned mine. They voted themselves theirs.

You don't seem to understand what the ACA did for you. I'll accept that your copays and deductibles went up. Probably not much given the aforementioned quality of your plan. But...what it covers is absolutely not the same. You now get free preventive care procedures. You cannot be denied due to a preexisting condition (which includes a fuzed spine) and you will not be subject to lifetime limits. Should you wish to leave your job for any reason, you can not be denied coverage due to a preexisting condition under any new plan you buy.

You have a good situation. Congratulations. But there are people who work harder than you who are not as fortunate. You aren't a better person. Not in any fucking way.

 

[BULLDOG]

a insurance policy does not guarantee quality health care

You are correct, but no insurance policy pretty much guarantees little or no quality healthcare unless you are rich.

Oh....they are all rich. We've got several multi-millionaire conservatives posting in these forums. Some of them are so rich that they don't even know how much money they have.

I noticed that too. Must be conservatives from blue states, cause red states receive more welfare and other help than anyone else.

I live in one of those red States you say gets more. The intersting part is the only blue district within it, the poorest by far, greatly exceeds any amount the other 6 red district gets. For what you say to be valid, you'd have to show me that those voting red are the only ones getting welfare assistance. You can't do that.

So you really didn't understand what I said did you? I said "red states receive more welfare and other help than anyone else" I didn't say right wingers were the only ones receiving government assistance, just that red states receive more. Just stick with your Hannity quotes, cause you fail horribly when you try to form a thought of your own.