AOC: Ironic People Who’s Families Immigrated Legally Oppose Illegal Immigration

[WTH_Progs?]

Anyone else notice the Richard-prog said in this thread that:

A. We should allow immigrants in like we did in the old days. You know, just cuz.

B. We grossly under-pay illegal immigrants, because they offer great job skills.

C. European immigrants didn't have any job skills, they worked in manual labor.

Ha ha ha.......Fucking Richard, lay off the bong dude.

 

[Dekster]

The vast majority of illegal immigrants work. Your argument is pure BULLSHIT.

You cannot work legally without a social security card or a work visa, so how are they working, except for working illegally under the table you moron idiot.

The vast majority of illegal immigrant contribute more to our economy than you ever have!

You are a bald faced liar. Go suck some more gonads you freak.

The cost of illegal immigration to the U.S. is more than $100 billion a year

Labor creates wealth. Illegal immigrants are usually grossly underpaid and make many Americans very wealthy thru their labor.

You may quote the the gross cost of illegal immigrants, but you don't factor in the value of their labor.

A huge percentage of the food harvested in the U.S. is done by illegal immigrant a value that far exceed $100 billion.

They make some wealthy people wealthy but they make working class people poorer by distorting wage pressures. The illegal immigrant construction worker means the american construction worker is less in demand and therefore will work for less. Without the illegal construction workers, the american construction workers could get a premium for their labor in comparison to what they are getting now.

Why do you only see this from one side of the equation? You wouldn't need to mandate a $15 Minimum Wage in Los Angeles and other places and they wouldn't have as big of a homeless problem if more housing units were available and labor was more scarce. LA/Orange County would have a million more housing units to move their 55K homeless people into.

 

[Rustic]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

Those immigrants payed for their own welfare with no expectation of being taken care of.

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers Billions of dollars every year.

Your argument is bullshit.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants work. Your argument is pure BULLSHIT.

The vast majority of illegal immigrant contribute more to our economy than you ever have!

 

[ptbw forever]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[toobfreak]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

Sorry, no. When our parents came here through Ellis island, they had documentation, passports, their names were recorded (my grandfather's was changed because it had diacritics in it), you were checked out for disease, asked your destination and how you would support yourself.

These people were Europeans with skills coming to a mostly European-populated country, people who wanted to become Americans and adopt our way of life, wanted to start businesses here, trades, and were a very good fit in with our society and culture.

Illegals coming across the southern border are undocumented, we don't know who they are or where they came from, they are disease-ridden, have no specific destination, no money, not even a toothbrush or a bar of soap, a few of them may have terrorist intentions or ties, drug gang ties or the like, they don't want to be Americans but rather bring their culture here, and they come from a location with no skills, no education and an average IQ 50 points below the national average.

The first group was an asset. The second group will be a huge liability.

Most European immigrants were uneducated and had no job skills. Most worked as manual labor,

Many were trained carpenters, shoe smiths, stone masons, and many other trades in demand then and there was a high demand for hard laborers. Not today.

They were as diseased ridden as disease ridden gets.

BULL.

 

[Rustic]

Anyone else notice the Richard-prog said in this thread that:

A. We should allow immigrants in like we did in the old days. You know, just cuz.

B. We grossly under-pay illegal immigrants, because they offer great job skills.

C. European immigrants didn't have any job skills, they worked in manual labor.

Ha ha ha.......Fucking Richard, lay off the bong dude.

 

[toobfreak]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

A changed world mandates new conditions. It's very strange how progs like yourself want to turn the entire world upside down in the name of change only, just cuz. Yet when the obvious bumps off your heads....well, it just bump's off.

Its amazing how you just contradicted yourself!

Talk about obvious!

"Talk about obvious" only means you're insecure. There's nothing amazing here, you're just a snowflake thus dramatic. I'd be insecure as well, because you didn't say anything of value to defend your position.

I'm not going to respond to someone

You just did, idiot.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

You remind me of a pot-head I knew growing up who called himself "motorcycle Jack"...he always used to say "if everyone rode a motorcycle there would be fewer car accidents"...it's one of those things that's amusing and sad at the same time

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Fucking progs If only they weren't such easy targets and emotional wrecks.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

They had to be healthy and able to support themselves.
The Democratic Party's open borders policy is racist because they are trying to displace Anglo Voters.

 

[Third Party]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

No, they examined the people coming thru-if you had a disease, you were held up. Now, we have terrorists, drug dealers, gun runners, and human traffickers. Can't let them just come in. And, I did not come over a border, like many, I was born here and want to protect OUR culture.

 

[Third Party]

Anyone else notice the Richard-prog said in this thread that:

A. We should allow immigrants in like we did in the old days. You know, just cuz.

B. We grossly under-pay illegal immigrants, because they offer great job skills.

C. European immigrants didn't have any job skills, they worked in manual labor.

Ha ha ha.......Fucking Richard, lay off the bong dude.

God, I don't want them here.

 

[Third Party]

Of course legal immigrants don't want them-they had to go thru a process and would look stupid if these illegals just slide in with no effort.

 

[Vel]

So? Give them a green card and a social security number.
And no, I'm not Hispanic.

Where are you from, the planet Asshole?

Sure... ...just give every illegal alien who commits the crime of sneaking into the country an SS card, Sure.

Are you on crack? Or are you just a natural imbecile.

No. Return to the laws that allow people to enter into this country legally.

So are you saying you want to return to a time with no welfare and no social security?

 

[depotoo]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

Wrong-
Ellis Island Immigration Process: US Immigration for Kids ***


Ellis Island Immigration Experience | GG Archives
With little or no interest they answer the twenty questions Uncle Sam puts before he decides whether he will adopt them or not : name, age—and even the women don't lie—married or single, occupation, education, nationality, destination, amount of money, friend's or relative's name and address, ever imprisoned, whether under contract to labor, and whether physically or mentally incapacitated, whether deformed or crippled.




Not infrequently there are as many as forty cases which call for special investigation on any given day, out of a disembarkation of three to four thousand souls; of these, for example, out of a group of Italians, five are proved to be convicts, seven utterly penniless and physically incapable of work, who would at once come upon the public charge; these twelve are therefore prohibited from landing upon American soil, and if they succeed in so doing it will be by sheer strategy. The remaining twenty-eight having given bonds for good behavior pass through the turnstile.
.....
Persons with loathsome or dangerous contagious diseases, epileptics, idiots, insane persons, and those physically defective so that they are liable to become public charges, and pregnant women, are at once held for examination before a board of special inquiry.

The immigrant is also required at this time to show the amount of money which he has in his possession, and this also is noted on the manifest.



In the main, if the answers given appear to be truthful, if the immigrant is of good physical appearance, and, considering his ability to work, and his age, sex, and occupation, if he has money to support him until he can find employment, he is immediately passed.

If, however, the inspector doubts his right to land, his card is marked " S. I." and he is detained before a board of special inquiry (Note 92) and conducted to another part of the building.

Those who are not detained pass into another room, where they can have their money changed into United States currency, buy tickets to their destination, and obtain information of all sorts in regard to proceeding on their way.

Quite frequently, the right of persons to land is dependent upon the existence and responsibility of some other person, as a husband or parent, whom the immigrant is to join. From this cause, also, the immigrant may be detained; and then a telegram is sent to the friend or relative requesting him to come and take the new arrival away.

Immigrants Under Temporary Detention

Girls and Single Women

Ellis Island
Immigration officials were nevertheless charged with screening “any convict, lunatic, idiot” or “paupers or persons likely to become a public charge,” the latter known as the LPC clause. Contract laborers were also prohibited after passage of the ALIEN LABOR ACT (Foran Act) of 1885, and about 1,000 aliens were denied entrance each year between 1892 and 1907 on these grounds.

 

[Darkwind]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

When we had an open borders policy in the late 18th and through to the late 19th centuries, we had a wide-open country with a population of fewer than 51 million people.

Today, we are full up and have no need for more.

So they said in the 18th thru the late 19th centuries.

The Anti-immigrant card has been played by Conservatives since this country started.

It was BULLSHIT then and it's BULLSHIT now.

The fact that you lied about Conservatives being anti-immigrant just proved your full of bullshit.

 

[blackhawk]

So wanting to know who is coming into the country and why is ridiculous please run on that in 2020.

 

[Theowl32]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

When we had an open borders policy in the late 18th and through to the late 19th centuries, we had a wide-open country with a population of fewer than 51 million people.

Today, we are full up and have no need for more.

So they said in the 18th thru the late 19th centuries.

The Anti-immigrant card has been played by Conservatives since this country started.

It was BULLSHIT then and it's BULLSHIT now.

Your photo looks like you are a former circus clown and now you own your own toy store that specializes in selling helium balloons.

 

[Richard-H]

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

Wrong-
Ellis Island Immigration Process: US Immigration for Kids ***


Ellis Island Immigration Experience | GG Archives
With little or no interest they answer the twenty questions Uncle Sam puts before he decides whether he will adopt them or not : name, age—and even the women don't lie—married or single, occupation, education, nationality, destination, amount of money, friend's or relative's name and address, ever imprisoned, whether under contract to labor, and whether physically or mentally incapacitated, whether deformed or crippled.




Not infrequently there are as many as forty cases which call for special investigation on any given day, out of a disembarkation of three to four thousand souls; of these, for example, out of a group of Italians, five are proved to be convicts, seven utterly penniless and physically incapable of work, who would at once come upon the public charge; these twelve are therefore prohibited from landing upon American soil, and if they succeed in so doing it will be by sheer strategy. The remaining twenty-eight having given bonds for good behavior pass through the turnstile.
.....
Persons with loathsome or dangerous contagious diseases, epileptics, idiots, insane persons, and those physically defective so that they are liable to become public charges, and pregnant women, are at once held for examination before a board of special inquiry.

The immigrant is also required at this time to show the amount of money which he has in his possession, and this also is noted on the manifest.



In the main, if the answers given appear to be truthful, if the immigrant is of good physical appearance, and, considering his ability to work, and his age, sex, and occupation, if he has money to support him until he can find employment, he is immediately passed.

If, however, the inspector doubts his right to land, his card is marked " S. I." and he is detained before a board of special inquiry (Note 92) and conducted to another part of the building.

Those who are not detained pass into another room, where they can have their money changed into United States currency, buy tickets to their destination, and obtain information of all sorts in regard to proceeding on their way.

Quite frequently, the right of persons to land is dependent upon the existence and responsibility of some other person, as a husband or parent, whom the immigrant is to join. From this cause, also, the immigrant may be detained; and then a telegram is sent to the friend or relative requesting him to come and take the new arrival away.
View attachment 266926
Immigrants Under Temporary Detention
View attachment 266927
Girls and Single Women

Ellis Island
Immigration officials were nevertheless charged with screening “any convict, lunatic, idiot” or “paupers or persons likely to become a public charge,” the latter known as the LPC clause. Contract laborers were also prohibited after passage of the ALIEN LABOR ACT (Foran Act) of 1885, and about 1,000 aliens were denied entrance each year between 1892 and 1907 on these grounds.

Thanks for proving my point! You probably didn't even read the articles you posted.

From the first article:
"Only 2% of immigrants were refused entry to the United States and Deported"

The descriptions of the Immigration Process described show that the process was very quick, thousands of immigrants allowed in every week. There was a quick superficial medical examination that only identified the most obvious diseases - and most of those people were sent to a hospital to for treatment, then allowed in the country.

There were no prerequistes for job skills until 1885, and even then the article says ONLY about a 1000 were refused entry each year.

Basically just about everyone that came to Ellis Island was allowed in with few exceptions,

Those that traveled first and second class were allowed in without even being required to go thru the immigration process on Ellis Island.

Furthermore the article you posted said that they were required to answer 20 questions - do ya think that prehaps they all had plenty of time to get their answers ready during the voyage?

It also says that about 40 cases per day - out of thousands arriving each day - were help for 'special investigation'.

Basically your articles show that the Ellis Island Immigration process was a quick registration process that allowed almost everyone into the country - thousands per day - with few if any requirements.

 

[depotoo]

Seriously? You do realize the ship lines had to first inspect/screen passengers and had them tested, etc, before being allowed passage, as they knew they would be returning without fare, if they didn’t pass inspection once here. Certain criteria had to be met. In the words of Forbes, who herself decided to go overseas and experience it herself under guise, so she could report on it-

In her first installment, describing the scene in Dublin, Forbes previewed what would unfold: "More inspections, examinations, tests. Proof, always proof, now of our integrity, then of our intelligence. Later of our morality and, perhaps the most humiliating of all, of our cleanliness."

All hopeful passengers were required to pass a medical inspection. Groups of women were paraded in front of a nurse, ordered to disrobe and let down their hair.



They also had to prove they would not become a public charge, by either having family or an employer, that would provide for them, if they themselves had no way to provide for themselves upon arrival.
You are wrong. They did not hop a ship and just magically receive entrance into the US.

When my ancestors came to this country thru Ellis Island there was no requirements other than 'they wanted to come to America'. No request for asylum, no claims of persecution. They simply believed that they could have a better life here.

The same is true for the ancestors of the majority of Americans.

Now, instead of letting people come here just to start a better life, we have set ridiculous requirements. Requirements that none of our ancestors had to meet.

If we didn't have ridiculous laws people wouldn't be breaking that law and there would be no illegal immigrants.

If you don't like 'open borders' just remember - if it weren't for open borders YOU would not be here!

Wrong-
Ellis Island Immigration Process: US Immigration for Kids ***


Ellis Island Immigration Experience | GG Archives
With little or no interest they answer the twenty questions Uncle Sam puts before he decides whether he will adopt them or not : name, age—and even the women don't lie—married or single, occupation, education, nationality, destination, amount of money, friend's or relative's name and address, ever imprisoned, whether under contract to labor, and whether physically or mentally incapacitated, whether deformed or crippled.




Not infrequently there are as many as forty cases which call for special investigation on any given day, out of a disembarkation of three to four thousand souls; of these, for example, out of a group of Italians, five are proved to be convicts, seven utterly penniless and physically incapable of work, who would at once come upon the public charge; these twelve are therefore prohibited from landing upon American soil, and if they succeed in so doing it will be by sheer strategy. The remaining twenty-eight having given bonds for good behavior pass through the turnstile.
.....
Persons with loathsome or dangerous contagious diseases, epileptics, idiots, insane persons, and those physically defective so that they are liable to become public charges, and pregnant women, are at once held for examination before a board of special inquiry.

The immigrant is also required at this time to show the amount of money which he has in his possession, and this also is noted on the manifest.



In the main, if the answers given appear to be truthful, if the immigrant is of good physical appearance, and, considering his ability to work, and his age, sex, and occupation, if he has money to support him until he can find employment, he is immediately passed.

If, however, the inspector doubts his right to land, his card is marked " S. I." and he is detained before a board of special inquiry (Note 92) and conducted to another part of the building.

Those who are not detained pass into another room, where they can have their money changed into United States currency, buy tickets to their destination, and obtain information of all sorts in regard to proceeding on their way.

Quite frequently, the right of persons to land is dependent upon the existence and responsibility of some other person, as a husband or parent, whom the immigrant is to join. From this cause, also, the immigrant may be detained; and then a telegram is sent to the friend or relative requesting him to come and take the new arrival away.
View attachment 266926
Immigrants Under Temporary Detention
View attachment 266927
Girls and Single Women

Ellis Island
Immigration officials were nevertheless charged with screening “any convict, lunatic, idiot” or “paupers or persons likely to become a public charge,” the latter known as the LPC clause. Contract laborers were also prohibited after passage of the ALIEN LABOR ACT (Foran Act) of 1885, and about 1,000 aliens were denied entrance each year between 1892 and 1907 on these grounds.

Thanks for proving my point! You probably didn't even read the articles you posted.

From the first article:
"Only 2% of immigrants were refused entry to the United States and Deported"

The descriptions of the Immigration Process described show that the process was very quick, thousands of immigrants allowed in every week. There was a quick superficial medical examination that only identified the most obvious diseases - and most of those people were sent to a hospital to for treatment, then allowed in the country.

There were no prerequistes for job skills until 1885, and even then the article says ONLY about a 1000 were refused entry each year.

Basically just about everyone that came to Ellis Island was allowed in with few exceptions,

Those that traveled first and second class were allowed in without even being required to go thru the immigration process on Ellis Island.

Furthermore the article you posted said that they were required to answer 20 questions - do ya think that prehaps they all had plenty of time to get their answers ready during the voyage?

It also says that about 40 cases per day - out of thousands arriving each day - were help for 'special investigation'.

Basically your articles show that the Ellis Island Immigration process was a quick registration process that allowed almost everyone into the country - thousands per day - with few if any requirements.