AR15s are not military grade... not even close

[eagle1462010]

M! Garand

 

[eagle1462010]

Mosin Nagant

 

[Crepitus]

Don't be stupid. They lack a select fire switch, that's all.

As explained by a former Marine...
“Lets define “military grade” shall we?

Military Grade (or Mil Spec) are expectations that must be met at minimal costs. Minimal costs involve materials that only need to meet military expectations of that piece of equipment. Nothing more.

In the construction of a rifle, would it not be better to use titanium rather than aluminum? How about stainless steel rather than steel parts? I think you would agree a weapon could be made stronger and require less overall maintenance if it did. But the military sets standards for weight, life expectancy and costs and titanium is rather expensive as it is tough to work with.

The AR-15 has never had the limits of Mil Spec construction and therefore while the cottage industries that produce parts for the M-16/M-4, sometimes produce more parts than are needed, they look for other markets.

These commonly are bought up by non-military weapons manufacturers and find a home in the construction of AR-15’s. For those who don’t see Mil Spec or military grade as anything more than the cheapest products made by the lowest bidder (which is exactly what it is) many people prefer to upgrade to better built parts the US Government simple doesn’t want to spend money on..

The AR-15 lends itself to being a superior rifle to the M-16/M-4 the less Mil Spec it is. Trigger guards can be more comfortable, Charging handles can be easier to grab and magazine wells can have a flair to more easily replace magazines.

The fact is the AR-15 is not a military firearm at all and to my knowledge, not a single military in the world uses it. The common idea that the AR-15 was constructed for the battlefield includes dozens of firearms that don’t meet with the same scrutiny the AR-15 does. Ruger during the end of the Vietnam war produced the Mini 14 to capitalize on some of the earlier problems with the M-16. I understand some security forces abroad use this rifle in an official government capacity and yet no one calls it a weapon designed for the battlefield even though it certainly was.

The M-16 on the other hand was rejected after review by the US Government and remained in the civilian market for 6 years as the AR-15 before the US Air Force insisted the US Army approve them for Air Force security personnel.

Defining it as a battlefield weapon is a bit like calling a rifle cartridge “high powered”. Neither of those words have a cut and dry definition and have made it into the vernacular simply to express some level of lethality that doesn't exist anymore than it does with the 30/40 Craig or the 1903 Springfield, the M-1 Garand or Carbine, the Ithica, Winchester or Remington shotgun or the Remington Model 700 which have all been used on the battlefield.

It’s deceptive and dishonest.”

Oh, so your gripe is that not all ar15s are up to milspec.

Spend some real money, get a real rifle.

Dumbass.

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

 

[eagle1462010]

As explained by a former Marine...
“Lets define “military grade” shall we?

Military Grade (or Mil Spec) are expectations that must be met at minimal costs. Minimal costs involve materials that only need to meet military expectations of that piece of equipment. Nothing more.

In the construction of a rifle, would it not be better to use titanium rather than aluminum? How about stainless steel rather than steel parts? I think you would agree a weapon could be made stronger and require less overall maintenance if it did. But the military sets standards for weight, life expectancy and costs and titanium is rather expensive as it is tough to work with.

The AR-15 has never had the limits of Mil Spec construction and therefore while the cottage industries that produce parts for the M-16/M-4, sometimes produce more parts than are needed, they look for other markets.

These commonly are bought up by non-military weapons manufacturers and find a home in the construction of AR-15’s. For those who don’t see Mil Spec or military grade as anything more than the cheapest products made by the lowest bidder (which is exactly what it is) many people prefer to upgrade to better built parts the US Government simple doesn’t want to spend money on..

The AR-15 lends itself to being a superior rifle to the M-16/M-4 the less Mil Spec it is. Trigger guards can be more comfortable, Charging handles can be easier to grab and magazine wells can have a flair to more easily replace magazines.

The fact is the AR-15 is not a military firearm at all and to my knowledge, not a single military in the world uses it. The common idea that the AR-15 was constructed for the battlefield includes dozens of firearms that don’t meet with the same scrutiny the AR-15 does. Ruger during the end of the Vietnam war produced the Mini 14 to capitalize on some of the earlier problems with the M-16. I understand some security forces abroad use this rifle in an official government capacity and yet no one calls it a weapon designed for the battlefield even though it certainly was.

The M-16 on the other hand was rejected after review by the US Government and remained in the civilian market for 6 years as the AR-15 before the US Air Force insisted the US Army approve them for Air Force security personnel.

Defining it as a battlefield weapon is a bit like calling a rifle cartridge “high powered”. Neither of those words have a cut and dry definition and have made it into the vernacular simply to express some level of lethality that doesn't exist anymore than it does with the 30/40 Craig or the 1903 Springfield, the M-1 Garand or Carbine, the Ithica, Winchester or Remington shotgun or the Remington Model 700 which have all been used on the battlefield.

It’s deceptive and dishonest.”

Oh, so your gripe is that not all ar15s are up to milspec.

Spend some real money, get a real rifle.

Dumbass.

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

 

[Crepitus]

Oh, so your gripe is that not all ar15s are up to milspec.

Spend some real money, get a real rifle.

Dumbass.

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

 

[eagle1462010]

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

Perhaps here.........not elsewhere........is the weapon in full auto illegal to own or not........

Let's cut to the chase.......it's illegal............

 

[pismoe]

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

------------------------------------ you may be aware but many that are anti gun try to claim that they are the same thing .

 

[harmonica]

Lol
AR15s are just sporting rifles... Always have been always will be
The drumbeat starts again, Really ignorant people saying things they have no business saying because they have no clue on the facts.
Other countries do not have the right to firearm ownership, Not even the right to freedom of speech for that matter.
Bringing other countries into the conversation is irrelevant, The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done in progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws… Only a fool would ever believe more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul.

we've been over this before
...STL very pro-gun with very free gun control is in the top ten of most dangerous cities and has a much higher murder rate than gun controlled LA, NYC and Chicago
STL very pro-gun--highest murder rate
...Germany ,England, France very strict gun control and murder rates much lower--yes--it does save souls--more than a single
The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US

 

[miketx]

Lol
AR15s are just sporting rifles... Always have been always will be
The drumbeat starts again, Really ignorant people saying things they have no business saying because they have no clue on the facts.
Other countries do not have the right to firearm ownership, Not even the right to freedom of speech for that matter.
Bringing other countries into the conversation is irrelevant, The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done in progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws… Only a fool would ever believe more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul.

we've been over this before
...STL very pro-gun with very free gun control is in the top ten of most dangerous cities and has a much higher murder rate than gun controlled LA, NYC and Chicago
STL very pro-gun--highest murder rate
...Germany ,England, France very strict gun control and murder rates much lower--yes--it does save souls--more than a single
The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US

Gun control empowers criminals.

 

[harmonica]

you are more accurate with semi-auto than with auto = more kill shots/more hits

 

[Crepitus]

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

Perhaps here.........not elsewhere........is the weapon in full auto illegal to own or not........

Let's cut to the chase.......it's illegal............

English dude, we speak English here.

 

[eagle1462010]

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

Perhaps here.........not elsewhere........is the weapon in full auto illegal to own or not........

Let's cut to the chase.......it's illegal............

English dude, we speak English here.

Ok...........some ...........people...........understand ........it's .........illegal.............some ............don't.......
The full .....................auto.............is....................illegal.............to ..........own..........unless ...............you ...........have.............a ..............permit............
okaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Rustic]

Firearms have no control over people

Once again, answer my question:

These weapons, are they effective killing machines? Do you believe mentally disturbed people should own an auto or semi auto gun with a large (30 round) magazine?

Yes or No!

Answer the question, it's a simple one, just for you.

YES or NO!

That’s why I have to do a background check on everyone that comes through my doors

 

[Rustic]

As explained by a former Marine...
“Lets define “military grade” shall we?

Military Grade (or Mil Spec) are expectations that must be met at minimal costs. Minimal costs involve materials that only need to meet military expectations of that piece of equipment. Nothing more.

In the construction of a rifle, would it not be better to use titanium rather than aluminum? How about stainless steel rather than steel parts? I think you would agree a weapon could be made stronger and require less overall maintenance if it did. But the military sets standards for weight, life expectancy and costs and titanium is rather expensive as it is tough to work with.

The AR-15 has never had the limits of Mil Spec construction and therefore while the cottage industries that produce parts for the M-16/M-4, sometimes produce more parts than are needed, they look for other markets.

These commonly are bought up by non-military weapons manufacturers and find a home in the construction of AR-15’s. For those who don’t see Mil Spec or military grade as anything more than the cheapest products made by the lowest bidder (which is exactly what it is) many people prefer to upgrade to better built parts the US Government simple doesn’t want to spend money on..

The AR-15 lends itself to being a superior rifle to the M-16/M-4 the less Mil Spec it is. Trigger guards can be more comfortable, Charging handles can be easier to grab and magazine wells can have a flair to more easily replace magazines.

The fact is the AR-15 is not a military firearm at all and to my knowledge, not a single military in the world uses it. The common idea that the AR-15 was constructed for the battlefield includes dozens of firearms that don’t meet with the same scrutiny the AR-15 does. Ruger during the end of the Vietnam war produced the Mini 14 to capitalize on some of the earlier problems with the M-16. I understand some security forces abroad use this rifle in an official government capacity and yet no one calls it a weapon designed for the battlefield even though it certainly was.

The M-16 on the other hand was rejected after review by the US Government and remained in the civilian market for 6 years as the AR-15 before the US Air Force insisted the US Army approve them for Air Force security personnel.

Defining it as a battlefield weapon is a bit like calling a rifle cartridge “high powered”. Neither of those words have a cut and dry definition and have made it into the vernacular simply to express some level of lethality that doesn't exist anymore than it does with the 30/40 Craig or the 1903 Springfield, the M-1 Garand or Carbine, the Ithica, Winchester or Remington shotgun or the Remington Model 700 which have all been used on the battlefield.

It’s deceptive and dishonest.”

Oh, so your gripe is that not all ar15s are up to milspec.

Spend some real money, get a real rifle.

Dumbass.

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

Do you have a clue how hard it is to make An ar15 select fire? Reliably

 

[Crepitus]

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

Perhaps here.........not elsewhere........is the weapon in full auto illegal to own or not........

Let's cut to the chase.......it's illegal............

English dude, we speak English here.

Ok...........some ...........people...........understand ........it's .........illegal.............some ............don't.......
The full .....................auto.............is....................illegal.............to ..........own..........unless ...............you ...........have.............a ..............permit............
okaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy

I think we've already been over this. Why are you repeating it?

 

[Rustic]

Well, you have to spend upwards of 3500 - 4000 bucks to get a true military spec m-4, Then apply for a FFL license to have full auto...
AR15s are just sporting rifles, nothing More nothing less...

Don't be stupider than you have to be. I already said they lacked the select fire.

Lol
You don’t know anything about firearms do you, what do you think you can just buy a select fire switch and it makes them auto?

Actually it is you who knows nothing about firearms, as this thread has proven.

Where did I say "buy a select fire switch"?

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

You obviously don’t' You watch too much mainstream media to have any credibility

 

[westwall]

Firearms have no control over people

Once again, answer my question:

These weapons, are they effective killing machines? Do you believe mentally disturbed people should own an auto or semi auto gun with a large (30 round) magazine?

Yes or No!

Answer the question, it's a simple one, just for you.

YES or NO!

Of course not. Mentally disturbed people should be in ASYLUMS. Not wandering the streets. Yes or no?

 

[Rustic]

Lol
AR15s are just sporting rifles... Always have been always will be
The drumbeat starts again, Really ignorant people saying things they have no business saying because they have no clue on the facts.
Other countries do not have the right to firearm ownership, Not even the right to freedom of speech for that matter.
Bringing other countries into the conversation is irrelevant, The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done in progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws… Only a fool would ever believe more frivolous gun control laws will save a single soul.

we've been over this before
...STL very pro-gun with very free gun control is in the top ten of most dangerous cities and has a much higher murder rate than gun controlled LA, NYC and Chicago
STL very pro-gun--highest murder rate
...Germany ,England, France very strict gun control and murder rates much lower--yes--it does save souls--more than a single
The 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the US

Na, not really
Europe has no right to own firearms, for that matter they have no right to freedom of speech. Other countries are irrelevant in this conversation

 

[eagle1462010]

It's illegal to guy one with it............LOL

Have to be a licensed gun collector or seller to buy one......and that isn't cheap.........

I am aware of this. I think pretty much everyone is.

Perhaps here.........not elsewhere........is the weapon in full auto illegal to own or not........

Let's cut to the chase.......it's illegal............

English dude, we speak English here.

Ok...........some ...........people...........understand ........it's .........illegal.............some ............don't.......
The full .....................auto.............is....................illegal.............to ..........own..........unless ...............you ...........have.............a ..............permit............
okaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy

I think we've already been over this. Why are you repeating it?

messing with Sasquacth.

 

[Rustic]

you are more accurate with semi-auto than with auto = more kill shots/more hits

You do realize in military training they train that full auto is the last resort, Prayn spray is not accurate.
You need to ignore the mainstream media’s influence on you...