Are Credit Card Companies Working to Censor Conservatives?

[Oddball]

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

Then, let's say Visa gets cowed by the mob...They never ever quit...Ever try to rent a car or make a hotel reservation without a major credit card?

I am sure another credit card company would love to gobble up that market share. Hotels and other rentals will adjust accordingly. Again, at the end of the day you don’t have a right to either a credit card or PayPal account.

And businesses have a right to do business with whomever they choose, without being harassed by angry mobs....The mob mentality and knuckling under to it is the antithesis of the free market ethos.

 

[OldLady]

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

Then, let's say Visa gets cowed by the mob...They never ever quit...Ever try to rent a car or make a hotel reservation without a major credit card?

I am sure another credit card company would love to gobble up that market share. Hotels and other rentals will adjust accordingly. Again, at the end of the day you don’t have a right to either a credit card or PayPal account.

And businesses have a right to do business with whomever they choose, without being harassed by angry mobs....The mob mentality and knuckling under to it is the antithesis of the free market ethos.

It's not an "angry mob." It is responsible people who are concerned about destructive influences on our society.

 

[Oddball]

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

Then, let's say Visa gets cowed by the mob...They never ever quit...Ever try to rent a car or make a hotel reservation without a major credit card?

I am sure another credit card company would love to gobble up that market share. Hotels and other rentals will adjust accordingly. Again, at the end of the day you don’t have a right to either a credit card or PayPal account.

And businesses have a right to do business with whomever they choose, without being harassed by angry mobs....The mob mentality and knuckling under to it is the antithesis of the free market ethos.

It's not an "angry mob." It is responsible people who are concerned about destructive influences on our society.

Yeah..."Responsible people" who form angry mobs and threaten those who don't kowtow to their way of doing things....Your way or the highway.

It doesn't get any more mobbish and anti-freedom than that.

 

[mdk]

The free market will decide if those business acts should be rewarded or not. Hopefully the gobmint will get involved and make everything better.

Pissy SJW mobs aren't the free market, Bubba.

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

you're going to be hard pressed to do standard business however w/o one. if VISA follows suit now what?

again - before we start throwing people out and making silly demands / decisions, lets see how this finishes up.

That’s for Visa and its shareholders to decide.

you keep going around my point to drop snark it seems.

MC/VISA are the top dogs. Bobs MC for example can't allow payments MC says NO to can they?

lets just stop there.

That’s not snark, mate. That is the crux of the matter: it is for them to decide whom they wish to do business with.

 

[OldLady]

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

Then, let's say Visa gets cowed by the mob...They never ever quit...Ever try to rent a car or make a hotel reservation without a major credit card?

I am sure another credit card company would love to gobble up that market share. Hotels and other rentals will adjust accordingly. Again, at the end of the day you don’t have a right to either a credit card or PayPal account.

And businesses have a right to do business with whomever they choose, without being harassed by angry mobs....The mob mentality and knuckling under to it is the antithesis of the free market ethos.

It's not an "angry mob." It is responsible people who are concerned about destructive influences on our society.

Yeah..."Responsible people" who form angry mobs and threaten those who don't kowtow to their way of doing things....Your way or the highway.

It doesn't get any more mobbish than that.

There is no "mob" outside the doors of MasterCard's board room. It is being voted on by the shareholders. Please try to get a grasp on reality here. You folks are such professional victims.

 

[impuretrash]

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

Then, let's say Visa gets cowed by the mob...They never ever quit...Ever try to rent a car or make a hotel reservation without a major credit card?

I am sure another credit card company would love to gobble up that market share. Hotels and other rentals will adjust accordingly. Again, at the end of the day you don’t have a right to either a credit card or PayPal account.

And businesses have a right to do business with whomever they choose, without being harassed by angry mobs....The mob mentality and knuckling under to it is the antithesis of the free market ethos.

It's not an "angry mob." It is responsible people who are concerned about destructive influences on our society.

Ok social justice Hitler.

 

[mdk]

I disagree with a lot of the comments made here, but I did enjoy the spirited conversation. Time to string up the hops and clean the beds. Cheers.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

There is no "mob" outside the doors of MasterCard's board room. It is being voted on by the shareholders. Please try to get a grasp on reality here. You folks are such professional victims.

And those shareholders are being informed and pressured by an organized mob of over 15 million people by their own account. And what they want is for the people they oppose politically to be marginalized and driven from public spaces.

It's a dangerous movement designed to split society in two.

 

[irosie91]

my theory is the left is far from consistent. i *do* fall in line with if you don't like the business, use something else. but a vast majority on the left do in fact turn this into a motive ONLY they can benefit from. YOU MUST BAKE THE CAKE or WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE MELAINA THAT DRESS!

the contradiction isn't lost on me.

in the cake case, there were 50 bakers in the area to choose from. how many credit cards do you have in your wallet to choose from to send funds to someone?

granted, same premise but not the same in practice. there comes a time the gov will get in the way because of the "contradictions". microsoft for example was forced into a lot of stupid business practices cause of the complaints. right or wrong it happens.

it will happen here.

My theory is very few people on this issue are consistent. For instance: We don't have to bake the cake, but you must give me a credit card and/or PayPal account. Either businesses have a right to associate or they don't. Besides, there are plenty of credit card companies one can choose from.

IMO---there is some difference-----it seems to me that the objection that a BAKER may have to making a cake for
a homosexual marriage would NOT BE ---just because the
people are homosexual----BUT because of the form of or writing he is asked to put on the cake I do believe that a baker has
a right to refuse to depict two males on top of a wedding cake---ie to make the cake EXPLICITLY about a homosexual union.
As to credit card companies-----SHEEEESH that power can be
SIGNIFICANTLY AND DANGEROUSLY abused by
MANIPULATION by interest groups that are simply LARGE
in numbers

Were the design phases of these transactions even reached? From my understanding the transactions were terminated when the bakers found out that the cake was for a same-sex wedding. Either way I support their right to refuse to have their business associated with something they would rather not.

IDK my thought was the WAY that the baker would "KNOW" --would be if the design of the cake somehow INCLUDED the
"ISSUE" ----I have a profession-----and there are things that
I would not do on "MORAL GROUNDS" I was accused of
RACISM for not clearing a 10 year old kid for BOXING LESSONS -------I had a kid at that time and WOULD never
consider allowing him to have boxing lessons-----PUNCHES TO THE HEAD LEAD TO IRREVERSIBLE brain damage

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

why are you trying to be an asshole? wait, succeeding at being?

But It's a valid point. Why did you choose to name the thread 'are credit card companies working to censor conservatives', when the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

But It's a valid point. Why did you choose to name the thread 'are credit card companies working to censor conservatives', when the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?

Because the left has a nasty habit of considering everyone that doesn't bend over for them to be Nazis, racists, islamophobes etc.

 

[jillian]

could be a few doing it and it dies quickly. but it's troublesome to a degree people think this is ok. i don't agree with you so you must suffer. sad mentality many have fallen into these days.

ANYWAY -

Mastercard Has Been Forced By Activists To Hold A Shareholder Vote That Could Cut Off Payments To The Far-Right

"Activists have successfully forced Mastercard to hold a vote by shareholders on a proposal which, if passed, could see the company monitoring payments to global far-right political leaders and white supremacist groups.

The proposal aims to see Mastercard establish an internal “human rights committee” that would stop designated white supremacist groups and anti-Islam activists, such as Tommy Robinson, from getting access to money sent from donors using the company’s card payment services.

It’s been conceived by US-based political activists SumOfUs, who want to escalate the battle against white supremacists and far-right groups from tech platforms like Facebook, Google, Twitter, Patreon, and PayPal to one of the biggest companies in world finance, in an attempt to choke off donations."

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we revert back to, why is it the lefts job to determine who gets classified where and then force companies to hold votes on whether or not they should go along with their "suggested" actions?

the headline i just realized isn't "dead on" - if it can be corrected to be the headline of the story i'd appreciate it.

In answer to your question.

No

 

[jillian]

But It's a valid point. Why did you choose to name the thread 'are credit card companies working to censor conservatives', when the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?

Because the left has a nasty habit of considering everyone that doesn't bend over for them to be Nazis, racists, islamophobes etc.

Quiet you lying sociopathic loon

 

[jillian]

except who is the "real" nazi?

That would be the actual Nazi, espouaimg white supremacist views and Nazi tenets. Kind of a dumb question there.

Here is a better question for you:

How is this censorship?

censorship may not be the right word. but if you remove their ability to collect funds for their causes, are you not in effect, censoring them?

and no it's not a dumb question at all. do you need a list of examples of the left calling anyone and everyone they don't like NAZI? 99.9% of them don't even know the meaning of the word nor it's history, they just know the association with evil and use it like a wide paint brush.

if you want to talk i'm down. i love hearing other points of view. but this "your thoughts are stupid' is a game i'm just not going to play.

You can say as many stupid things as you want.

No one else is obligated to listen.

And if you say stupid dangerous absurd things, no one has to give you a forum

Now piss of. And let us know how government is retaliating against you for the imbecilic things you say

Because that is ALL the first amendment protects you from.

 

[deanrd]

Republicans love credit card companies because they put people into debt. Remember it was Democrats who passed credit card reform.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

But It's a valid point. Why did you choose to name the thread 'are credit card companies working to censor conservatives', when the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?

Because the left has a nasty habit of considering everyone that doesn't bend over for them to be Nazis, racists, islamophobes etc.

Using the left as a straw man argument doesn't even address my question.

 

[iceberg]

could be a few doing it and it dies quickly. but it's troublesome to a degree people think this is ok. i don't agree with you so you must suffer. sad mentality many have fallen into these days.

ANYWAY -

Mastercard Has Been Forced By Activists To Hold A Shareholder Vote That Could Cut Off Payments To The Far-Right

"Activists have successfully forced Mastercard to hold a vote by shareholders on a proposal which, if passed, could see the company monitoring payments to global far-right political leaders and white supremacist groups.

The proposal aims to see Mastercard establish an internal “human rights committee” that would stop designated white supremacist groups and anti-Islam activists, such as Tommy Robinson, from getting access to money sent from donors using the company’s card payment services.

It’s been conceived by US-based political activists SumOfUs, who want to escalate the battle against white supremacists and far-right groups from tech platforms like Facebook, Google, Twitter, Patreon, and PayPal to one of the biggest companies in world finance, in an attempt to choke off donations."

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we revert back to, why is it the lefts job to determine who gets classified where and then force companies to hold votes on whether or not they should go along with their "suggested" actions?

the headline i just realized isn't "dead on" - if it can be corrected to be the headline of the story i'd appreciate it.

It is up to the shareholders, of course, but I'd be glad to see them do that. If we had been able to do some more of this when Hitler and Mussolini, et al, were rising to power, the 20th century might have been a little less evil.

trouble is - defining that isn't easy but *is* easily abused.

look around today at the times people are called NAZIs because they are not liberal. the potential for abuse far outweighs to me, the potential to stop evil. defining "evil" is hit or miss and usually emotionally based these days.

Well, fortunately, USMB'ers are not being asked to clarify MC's policy. Obviously, we are not the group to ask. LOL

hard to say what is going on until the vote i suppose. i just hope they vote "go away". we're out of control on what we do to each other for ultimately simply disagreeing on things.

The free market is getting into "economic sanctions," in a way. Investment firms getting rid of its investments in firearms manufacturers, for instance, or department store chains deciding not to sell AR's anymore. Like I said, discouraging hate groups is a good thing.

to many, those on the left are "hate groups". my issue isn't with discouraging hate, my issue is with who gets to define it. SPLC? they *hate* the right but that seems to be ok.

anti-fa is left based to be sure and they'r not classified as "hate" much less more or stopped from this "free market" of who gets to play in the new world. demonizing an emotion can have some seriously adverse affects.

 

[iceberg]

Pissy SJW mobs aren't the free market, Bubba.

No, but voting with your wallet is. Cancel your account with MasterCard in protest and let them know why. Shareholders and the Board of Directors will take notice if accounts/profits drops.

you're going to be hard pressed to do standard business however w/o one. if VISA follows suit now what?

again - before we start throwing people out and making silly demands / decisions, lets see how this finishes up.

That’s for Visa and its shareholders to decide.

you keep going around my point to drop snark it seems.

MC/VISA are the top dogs. Bobs MC for example can't allow payments MC says NO to can they?

lets just stop there.

That’s not snark, mate. That is the crux of the matter: it is for them to decide whom they wish to do business with.

then simply answer the question - can bobs mastercard approve purchases that master card does not?

 

[iceberg]

But It's a valid point. Why did you choose to name the thread 'are credit card companies working to censor conservatives', when the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?

Because the left has a nasty habit of considering everyone that doesn't bend over for them to be Nazis, racists, islamophobes etc.

and this is why i have issue with who gets to define "hate" and who's hate needs to be controlled or legislated out of existence OF WHICH isn't going to happen.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Using the left as a straw man argument doesn't even address my question.

No straw man involved and my comment specifically addressed your comment... "the article clearly states they might possibly ban white supremacists and anti-Islam activists from using their payment services. You seem to be equating conservatives with these extremist groups. Why?"

Leftists, by and large, equate conservatives with these extremist groups. Activists want a "human rights commission"
to ban racists and Islamophobes from using the services of Master Card. If that's not wide open to interpretation and
an invitation to activists to decide who is to be banned and not then you surely are not honestly looking at the facts.