At least 6 dead in random shooting in Kalamazoo County, Michigan, suspect under arrest

[frigidweirdo]

Here we go again.

Prayers for the victims, and for their families.

We need to find a way to reduce these shootings, that works. Not just one that sounds like it'll work to people who aren't paying much attention.

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Michigan police say 6 dead in random shootings, suspect arrested | Fox News

Michigan police say 6 dead in random shootings, suspect arrested

Published February 21, 2016
FoxNews.com

At least six people were killed and two others were injured in a series of what seem to be random shootings Saturday night, Michigan authorities said.

Kalamazoo County Undersheriff Paul Matyas told Fox 17 Online that a man was detained in downtown Kalamazoo. He said the man didn’t resist when law enforcement officers approached him. The man hasn’t been identified. “The threat to the public is over. We now have our suspect,” Matyas added.

Michigan State Police Lt. Dale Hinz told WMMT-TV the man is a 45-year-old white male and said the shootings at three locations were “incomprehensible.”

Matyas told Fox 17 Online that people were killed at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Texas Township, while two others were killed at Seelye Kia. All of the shootings were in parking lots. “These are random murders,” he said.

The two injured victims are in critical condition. Hinz said that one of the victims was a 9-year-old girl. She was shot in the Cracker Barrel parking lot. Police believe the shootings are related to an earlier drive-by shooting at Meadows Townhomes, which left one woman injured.

Nothing will change.

Every Empire has its day and then descends back to where it came from, this is just another sign, one of many.

Change is a big word, people see the need for change, but won't accept the change unless it's in the form of something useless and unnecessary. Obama said change, people liked it, then realized it really wasn't change. Then Trump says the same thing, wonder whether how long they'll take to figure it out, again.

 

[Davros]

I'd boil it down to a decaying culture, and I'd argue that most of the significant problems we face are attributable to it.
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TV shows and movies glorify violence and revenge. Murderers are considered "cool". News and fiction about violent crime are among the most numerous things on TV. It has nothing to do with allowing gays to marry.

On what show are murderers considered cool?

Are you seriously asking that question? Let's start with The Godfather and the Sopranos. Then let's move on to Darth Vader and Rylo Ken or whatever he's called.

I agree with that, it's exactly why I never watch mob movies. I hate them because the mob is real and they glorify them.

Mob movies still don't make you into a psychopath though

Cool? Have you watched the Godfather? What was ever cool about those murders depicted? Really?

But maybe you make your own point. Since you seem to think them "cool" that is a self fulfilling statement.

What I think is that these types of people are anti-social and are action on impulse. Something set them off and it was not a video of the Godfather.

I was wondering when someone would come on here and blame the shootings on a video. Where have we heard that before?

I said murderers are considered cool. The extra "er" matters. Do you deny that people imitate what they see?

 

[Davros]

I'd boil it down to a decaying culture, and I'd argue that most of the significant problems we face are attributable to it.
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I don't agree. I don't think people going loco is because of decaying culture, they are sick. It's society's reaction to that that's wrong

People become violent for reasons. The culture feeds them many reasons to become violent, many, many sources of inspiration in the entertainment industry.

TV doesn't turn people into psychopaths

Perhaps not. But it very certainly can make sick people become sicker. You don't think seeing violence on a screen has any effect on the human mind, especially young, developing, impressionable minds? If so, you are in denial of reality.

If you're a psychopath, you don't get "sicker" because of TV. We aren't talking about the flu, Holmes

Mental sickness can be made worse by environmental factors. Seeing something enough times can be inspiration for action. There are shows called Revenge and How To Get Away With Murder. Sounds like a problem to me.

 

[Rustic]

^Amen brother, socialism is a disease that makes everyone that is inflicted think life is a free ride. The "village" will pay for everything... When they realize socialism is a warm and fuzzy pipe dream, BOOM!!
They get all Marxist and start shooting people...
Then the control freaks at the federal government see an opening to try to take more freedoms/rights away...

Socialism is a vicious cycle of delusional violence brought on by blaming the other guy for life not being a yellow brick road, and someone else paying for it...

 

[Freewill]

I don't think it's exactly news that kids become desensitized to violence by playing violent video games.

It's not news that we've gone from Lucy & Ricky sleeping in separate beds to people literally shitting on television for our entertainment.

It's not news that we now entertain ourselves with music & movies that condone violence & death & destruction & hatred.

It's not news that we make excuses for people who commit crimes.

It's not news that those who work hard, sacrifice and become successful are now looked at with suspicion and doubt and worse.

Our society is okay with the above. THAT is how culture is playing into this.

Anyone who doesn't see a decay in this culture and how it is manifesting simply isn't paying attention. Or perhaps they're enjoying it.
.

How ironic it is that we go through life trying to make as much money as possible, by doing actually nothing but investing, and decry the social degradation that is causing? The system feeds off society, first by trying to maximize profit by moving jobs off shore and then by trying to sell the goods to the same people just put out of work. It is crazy. Myself, I enjoy the lower cost goods coming in because I don't need to worry about a job. It helps me but I see it is dragging the country down. Just like I have said since WJC, he was the worst president ever because he started the whole process of the sucking sound of jobs.

But we can be a ease as long as our portfolio increases.

 

[Iceweasel]

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

I didn't make that statement. You should try reading what's there, instead of what you want to be there. Go fuck yourself, hack

Here you go, stupid fuck. It wasn't a political issue until we politicized it.

What was the liberal's beef? Anybody know?

It took a little longer than usual for one of you scumbag loser hacks to pop in and politicize it. What was the delay - did you see a gay couple and hide under your bed until the coast was clear?

Here you go, dumbass:

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

Your words. Which is not what I said. I criticized asshole hacks like you for politicizing the deaths of innocents. Fuck off.

Fuck you shitstain. I don't need your permission to state the obvious. Guns aren't political, it's the left that makes them political, they are just tools. My point was that liberals turn society to shit then stand back and blame guns. Go suck a salmonella salami.

 

[kaz]

Shooting after shooting happens in gun free zones and no one is shooting back. Is there a point where you start to detect a pattern?

Shooting after shooting happens in Chicago. And EVERYBODY seems to have a gun. Or at least everbody that you dont want to have a gun has one.

And that doest even slow them down hardly.

My point being, If I am crazy to go out and shoot innocent people, I dont believe they give a shit if you have a gun or not.

So simply having a gun will not deter the crazy. And the chances of some one person with a gun stopping a crazy shooter is slim.

Keep in mind that of the 2.5million DGUs in the country, none of them ever have to fire their weapon. How thats possible I dont know. But thats what they say.

Full body armor would work better. Maybe an invisable cloak of protection.

in some instances that is true perhaps

in others it seems to be a factor

the theater shooter chose a theater that was a gun free zone

a survey done by James Wright with felons
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Then there's the Washington Navy Yard, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, ...

 

[Freewill]

TV shows and movies glorify violence and revenge. Murderers are considered "cool". News and fiction about violent crime are among the most numerous things on TV. It has nothing to do with allowing gays to marry.

On what show are murderers considered cool?

Are you seriously asking that question? Let's start with The Godfather and the Sopranos. Then let's move on to Darth Vader and Rylo Ken or whatever he's called.

I agree with that, it's exactly why I never watch mob movies. I hate them because the mob is real and they glorify them.

Mob movies still don't make you into a psychopath though

Cool? Have you watched the Godfather? What was ever cool about those murders depicted? Really?

But maybe you make your own point. Since you seem to think them "cool" that is a self fulfilling statement.

What I think is that these types of people are anti-social and are action on impulse. Something set them off and it was not a video of the Godfather.

I was wondering when someone would come on here and blame the shootings on a video. Where have we heard that before?

I said murderers are considered cool. The extra "er" matters. Do you deny that people imitate what they see?

If you watched someone get brutally beaten does that mean you are going to want to brutally beat someone? If you answer yes, seek help. If you blow away a pixel created image then want to blow away people then I suggest you seek help. Maybe FPS games relieve aggression, could be?

The problem with this shooting, and most others, is that it wasn't a mob hit or anything like a mob hit. Videos didn't cause the man to do what he did. The gun didn't cause him to do what he did. Something triggered this response and I am thinking it is a lifetime of failure, limited opportunity and a society that has been moving to secular relatism for the last 25 years. As much as folks don't want to admit it, a society without religion is a society in decay, the results we see everyday proves it to me.

 

[J.E.D]

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

I didn't make that statement. You should try reading what's there, instead of what you want to be there. Go fuck yourself, hack

Here you go, stupid fuck. It wasn't a political issue until we politicized it.

What was the liberal's beef? Anybody know?

It took a little longer than usual for one of you scumbag loser hacks to pop in and politicize it. What was the delay - did you see a gay couple and hide under your bed until the coast was clear?

Here you go, dumbass:

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

Your words. Which is not what I said. I criticized asshole hacks like you for politicizing the deaths of innocents. Fuck off.

Fuck you shitstain. I don't need your permission to state the obvious. Guns aren't political, it's the left that makes them political, they are just tools. My point was that liberals turn society to shit then stand back and blame guns. Go suck a salmonella salami.

Hungry? Why don't you go wet that appetite instead of just salivating over the thought

 

[Rustic]

Third world country's have the strictest gun control on the planet... How's that working for them??
Most of them are socialist in nature...
Lol

 

[Iceweasel]

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

I didn't make that statement. You should try reading what's there, instead of what you want to be there. Go fuck yourself, hack

Here you go, stupid fuck. It wasn't a political issue until we politicized it.

What was the liberal's beef? Anybody know?

It took a little longer than usual for one of you scumbag loser hacks to pop in and politicize it. What was the delay - did you see a gay couple and hide under your bed until the coast was clear?

Here you go, dumbass:

You defend them, like with retarded statements that guns aren't a political issue

Your words. Which is not what I said. I criticized asshole hacks like you for politicizing the deaths of innocents. Fuck off.

Fuck you shitstain. I don't need your permission to state the obvious. Guns aren't political, it's the left that makes them political, they are just tools. My point was that liberals turn society to shit then stand back and blame guns. Go suck a salmonella salami.

Hungry? Why don't you go wet that appetite instead of just salivating over the thought

I'd rather laugh at you pounding your tonsils on a diseased salami. It will do about the same amount of good, big guy.

 

[kaz]

I'd boil it down to a decaying culture, and I'd argue that most of the significant problems we face are attributable to it.
.

TV shows and movies glorify violence and revenge. Murderers are considered "cool". News and fiction about violent crime are among the most numerous things on TV. It has nothing to do with allowing gays to marry.

On what show are murderers considered cool?

Are you seriously asking that question? Let's start with The Godfather and the Sopranos. Then let's move on to Darth Vader and Rylo Ken or whatever he's called.

I agree with that, it's exactly why I never watch mob movies. I hate them because the mob is real and they glorify them.

Mob movies still don't make you into a psychopath though

Cool? Have you watched the Godfather? What was ever cool about those murders depicted? Really?

But maybe you make your own point. Since you seem to think them "cool" that is a self fulfilling statement.

What I think is that these types of people are anti-social and are action on impulse. Something set them off and it was not a video of the Godfather.

I was wondering when someone would come on here and blame the shootings on a video. Where have we heard that before?

Strawman. I didn't say they are cool, I agreed with the statement they are "considered cool." Those are not the same thing.

And you and I usually agree freewill, but pull the stick out of your ass on this one. I didn't say anything about anyone else who watches them, I said I don't. I don't care for it when people imitate shows like the supranos and think saying things like "whack him" is funny. The mob is a real organization who kill real people. I think they should be portrayed as the sick bastards they are. I'm entitled to that opinion

 

[Mac1958]

I don't think it's exactly news that kids become desensitized to violence by playing violent video games.

It's not news that we've gone from Lucy & Ricky sleeping in separate beds to people literally shitting on television for our entertainment.

It's not news that we now entertain ourselves with music & movies that condone violence & death & destruction & hatred.

It's not news that we make excuses for people who commit crimes.

It's not news that those who work hard, sacrifice and become successful are now looked at with suspicion and doubt and worse.

Our society is okay with the above. THAT is how culture is playing into this.

Anyone who doesn't see a decay in this culture and how it is manifesting simply isn't paying attention. Or perhaps they're enjoying it.
.

How ironic it is that we go through life trying to make as much money as possible, by doing actually nothing but investing, and decry the social degradation that is causing? The system feeds off society, first by trying to maximize profit by moving jobs off shore and then by trying to sell the goods to the same people just put out of work. It is crazy. Myself, I enjoy the lower cost goods coming in because I don't need to worry about a job. It helps me but I see it is dragging the country down. Just like I have said since WJC, he was the worst president ever because he started the whole process of the sucking sound of jobs.

But you can be a ease as long as your portfolio increases.

I think it began before Clinton. I think what happened in the 80's is the genesis of the economic attitudes that are causing damage today. General statements, meant to start a conversation, were taken as gospel.

Obvious examples would be "greed is good" and "government is not the answer to our problems, government IS the problem". These bumper-sticker phrases were absorbed and turned into absolutist philosophies that remain to this day.
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[GHook93]

I am a conservative gun owner who believes in the second amendment, but something needs to give. These random shootings are becoming too common.

The conservative meme of we need good guns with a gun is great in theory, but in reality even in a CC state like MI those good guys are rarely around.

 

[Rustic]

Buy more guns and ammo

Police say the suspect was arrested at about 12:40 a.m. at Ransom and Porter streets in Kalamazoo. According to Michigan State Police, the suspect is a 45-year-old white man from Kalamazoo. Police said weapons were found in his vehicle.

Just another "heavily armed white man shooting"

Most likely a socialist...

 

[kaz]

you have a CCW, you can carry a gun as long as it's not concealed so the shooter knows that you're armed

Guy, If you have a CCW (carry a concealed weapon) why would it have to be open carried?

Acronym games, thanks for taking the discussion to a higher level.

OK, a carry permit, not a concealed carry permit. Are you happy now? Does that make you feel smart?

out here it is both open carry which requires nothing to do

and a concealed carry which requires a shall issue permit

does having an exposed arm make you more secure or less secure

i used to think so on the other hand it could make you the initial target

Yep, like the security guard in the Washington Navy Yard.

I'd say whether it makes you more or less secure is mixed. As you say, it could go either way.

 

[Freewill]

Here is an article with some meat for everyone.

U.S. Gun Policy: Global Comparisons

 

[jon_berzerk]

Shooting after shooting happens in gun free zones and no one is shooting back. Is there a point where you start to detect a pattern?

Shooting after shooting happens in Chicago. And EVERYBODY seems to have a gun. Or at least everbody that you dont want to have a gun has one.

And that doest even slow them down hardly.

My point being, If I am crazy to go out and shoot innocent people, I dont believe they give a shit if you have a gun or not.

So simply having a gun will not deter the crazy. And the chances of some one person with a gun stopping a crazy shooter is slim.

Keep in mind that of the 2.5million DGUs in the country, none of them ever have to fire their weapon. How thats possible I dont know. But thats what they say.

Full body armor would work better. Maybe an invisable cloak of protection.

in some instances that is true perhaps

in others it seems to be a factor

the theater shooter chose a theater that was a gun free zone

a survey done by James Wright with felons
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http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...887257998006fe0d7/$FILE/HseJud0202AttachN.pdf
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Then there's the Washington Navy Yard, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, ...

yes even military personal are routinely unarmed they pretty much are in a gun free zone

as well as the schools and day center in California

thanks for pointing out that each one you mentioned was a gun free zone

 

[kaz]

I am a conservative gun owner who believes in the second amendment, but something needs to give. These random shootings are becoming to common.

The conservative meme of we need good guns with a gun is great in theory, but in reality even in a CC state like MI those good guys are not always around.

You're a "conservative?" Not in the threads I've seen you in. And your plan rather than letting people defend themselves is to keep 300 million guns from loons and pretend that the rest of us are safe then. Seriously, that makes sense to you

 

[Wilbur Right]

As much as folks don't want to admit it, a society without religion is a society in decay, the results we see everyday proves it to me.

What if this shooter heard voices in his head and thought God was speaking to him to go out and shoot these people.


Lets face reality. When you have 300+ millions of people, you are going to have s bunch of crazies. Its just math.

And when you have millions of guns with easy gun availability, then sooner or later, the crazy person will get a gun and start shooting people.

thats just the way we are.

It would be a lot easier if we all just accepted this sick little fact and got on with protecting ourselves in the best way we know how.

Some will want to carry guns, Some will not. But the fact is, when the crazy person surprises you by shooting first, your chance of surviving are the same; gun or no gun.