At some point, just admit that Obama knew

[Mac1958]

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Well, here's some interesting stuff to chew on. The following piece says the following:

In 2010, HHS projected that 40% to 67% of individual health insurance customers would not be able to keep their plans, due to the tight restrictions of the ACA.

The HHS also projected that 34% to 64% of large plans would lose their grandfather status, and that 49% to 80% of small employers would as well.

Sounds to me like "they knew this".

Other neat little numbers - grandfathered plans would lose their status if they included:

... Increased co-insurance percentages
... Co-payment increases of more than FIVE DOLLARS
... Increased deductibles (hilarious considering the ACA deductibles)
... And more, see link below

And before this link is dismissed as "just a blog", please note it includes multiple sources and links, including the chart below.

At some point, the apologists will hopefully admit that Obama knew he was not telling the truth.

HHS Predicted Much Employer-Backed Health Coverage Wouldn't Survive Obamacare, Either - Hit & Run : Reason.com
http://web.archive.org/web/20100617...ewsroom/keeping_the_health_plan_you_have.html

 

[DigitalDrifter]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

 

[martybegan]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

Never happen. The ones that are too stupid to figure it out are "four legs good, two legs better!" bleaters who can't fathom Obama or progressives being wrong, and thus have to justify some nefarious plot.

The others who realize this would happen are probably "ends justify the means" people, who really think this is all for the best, and the end results will actually work. They just have to keep thier people in power a BIT longer to iron out the kinks. They knew from the beginning this thing would be a mess.

 

[Edgetho]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

 

[Darkwind]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

Never happen. The ones that are too stupid to figure it out are "four legs good, two legs better!" bleaters who can't fathom Obama or progressives being wrong, and thus have to justify some nefarious plot.

The others who realize this would happen are probably "ends justify the means" people, who really think this is all for the best, and the end results will actually work. They just have to keep thier people in power a BIT longer to iron out the kinks. They knew from the beginning this thing would be a mess.

I'm going to go with the latter, as those who think the ends justify the means are also the ones who know this is just a stepping stone to single payer, which is their second ultimate goal.

The first being total enslavement to government.

 

[Edgetho]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

Never happen. The ones that are too stupid to figure it out are "four legs good, two legs better!" bleaters who can't fathom Obama or progressives being wrong, and thus have to justify some nefarious plot.

The others who realize this would happen are probably "ends justify the means" people, who really think this is all for the best, and the end results will actually work. They just have to keep thier people in power a BIT longer to iron out the kinks. They knew from the beginning this thing would be a mess.

My apologies, but libturds act on a "means justifies the end" principle.

Regardless of how things turn out, and with libturds it's almost always badly........

They justify it with 'good intentions'. It's always "We meant well" or "It would have worked but Republicans got in the way" or.... They just fucking lie about it.

To libturds (because they're stupid) what matters is intentions, not results. Hence, "the means justifies the end"

 

[martybegan]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

Never happen. The ones that are too stupid to figure it out are "four legs good, two legs better!" bleaters who can't fathom Obama or progressives being wrong, and thus have to justify some nefarious plot.

The others who realize this would happen are probably "ends justify the means" people, who really think this is all for the best, and the end results will actually work. They just have to keep thier people in power a BIT longer to iron out the kinks. They knew from the beginning this thing would be a mess.

My apologies, but libturds act on a "means justifies the end" principle.

Regardless of how things turn out, and with libturds it's almost always badly........

They justify it with 'good intentions'. It's always "We meant well" or "It would have worked but Republicans got in the way" or.... They just fucking lie about it.

To libturds (because they're stupid) what matters is intentions, not results. Hence, "the means justifies the end"

Its the "doing something for the sake of doing something" mentality that is the hallmark of thier political views.

 

[Wildman]

At some point, just admit that Obama knew

sorry.., can not do, he is a self admitted know nothing, just go back over the past 6 years of his being in the news and see how many things he claimed to know nothing about.

when it comes to American history he is most likely the most ignorant and stupid person/politician in this U.S.A. !!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Of course they knew it Mac.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course they knew it Mac.

Well, I'd just like to get an honest response. Maybe I'm missing something.

Something besides "tough shit, all politicians lie" would be nice.

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[ba1614]

It won't happen, they've dug their heals in will lie about it until they are blue in the face while calling anyone who challenges their lies a liar.

 

[The Rabbi]

Has anyone noticed the more reliably lib posters who might actually know something have largely left the board?

 

[martybegan]

Has anyone noticed the more reliably lib posters who might actually know something have largely left the board?

They went back to thier echo chamber boards, because the questions that kept coming up regarding the policies they support became too difficult to answer.

 

[Mac1958]

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You'd think there would be one standard spin for this lie by now.

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[RandallFlagg]

It won't happen, they've dug their heals in will lie about it until they are blue in the face while calling anyone who challenges their lies a liar.

Correct. This crap is the cornerstone of their "boy". Hell, it even has his name attached to it. Barry MUST go down for SOMETHING in history. He is a miserable failure, an incompetent slob and one of the worst president's in American history so he HAS to accomplish at least SOMETHING.

For example: The federal website (as I understand it) hasn't worked for a 24 hour period since it's launch. But you watch. sometime in the near future, they will announce that 30-40 million people have gotten through to sign up and unicorns and rainbows are reigning down on those who have signed up.

I promise you that these thieves and liars will do that.

 

[Avatar4321]

As for the liberals who are members here, if you value your board credibility at all you will stop trying to cover for Obama on this. He lied, admit it, move on.

many of them had no credibility to begin with. I dont think a threat to their credibility will make them admit the truth.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, the President "lied". He should have said "if you like your plan and it's not a piece of crap that doesn't actually insure you against anything, you can keep your plan".

 

[g5000]

The HHS also projected that 34% to 64% of large plans would lose their grandfather status, and that 49% to 80% of small employers would as well.

And this means what?

 

[LoneLaugher]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Fucking nutters....lecturing liberals on credibility. Great stuff.