At some point, just admit that Obama knew

[g5000]

Companies losing grandfather status will not result in cancelled insurance for 93 million Americans. It will not result in cancelled insurance for the "34% to 64% of large plans [that] would lose their grandfather status" or for the "49% to 80% of small employers" that would.

Those numbers were wild guesstimates, by the way. No one has produced the actual figures of companies that lost their grandfather status between 2011 and 2013, which is the HHS timeframe used.

Many companies have lost their grandfather status during that period, yes. But 93 million employees have not lost their insurance.

 

[driveby]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

Right, the idiots can't handle the truth. Thank goodness self righteous liberals came to the rescue to get rid of those bullshit plans that don't cover important things like pre-natal care for single men.......

It's faggots like you and your dear leader that can't handle the truth, that's why you clowns never speak it.......

 

[LoneLaugher]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

Right, the idiots can't handle the truth. Thank goodness self righteous liberals came to the rescue to get rid of those bullshit plans that don't cover important things like pre-natal care for single men.......

It's faggots like you and your dear leader that can't handle the truth, that's why you clowns never speak it.......

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

We all pay for shit we don't use.....directly. But we all benefit in the end. Nuance. Big picture stuff. Too much for you.

 

[g5000]

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

There are minimum standards for all of them. Especially auto insurance.

And you wil have to explain that last one.....how would that work? You could opt out of cancer coverage? Is that it?

 

[g5000]

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

There are minimum standards for all of them. Especially auto insurance.

That's because the government has established the minimum auto insurance coverage, not the insurance company. Just like Obamacare now establishes a minimum coverage of health insurance.

ObamaCare differs in that it forces you to buy insurance. Pre-ObamaCare health insurance differs from auto insurance in that I can't buy it from any company that sells it. That's another government boondoggle. The government is in the healthcare business (Medicare, Medicaid, etc.), and gets to write the rules for its competitors. That is completely bogus. You don't see a Medicare version of auto insurance, with the government getting to write the rules for where State Farm is allowed to sell auto insurance while the government gets to sell auto insurance nationwide and set the market prices for all auto insurance.

And you wil have to explain that last one.....how would that work? You could opt out of cancer coverage? Is that it?

Sure, why not? Until ObamaCare, I could opt out of health insurance entirely.

 

[driveby]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

Right, the idiots can't handle the truth. Thank goodness self righteous liberals came to the rescue to get rid of those bullshit plans that don't cover important things like pre-natal care for single men.......

It's faggots like you and your dear leader that can't handle the truth, that's why you clowns never speak it.......

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

We all pay for shit we don't use.....directly. But we all benefit in the end. Nuance. Big picture stuff. Too much for you.

Admit it, your savior knowingly lied his ass off and you're the good little minion trying to cover for him under the guise of "it's for the greater good". At least try something original, that play is as old as dirt.....

 

[gallantwarrior]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

Regardless, your savior and messiah promised repeatedly that anyone satisfied with their plans could keep them. Until the last few weeks, he made no mention of qualifiers. If people are satisfied with their plan, whether the sheeple have been told it's a "crap" plan, does not matter. The published criteria (so far) are so narrowly defined, it comes out to one-size-fits-all bullshit. Well, I suppose that's what socialism is all about. No individuality, no choice other than the choice you are told is available.

 

[LoneLaugher]

He knew that some would be unable to keep their plan. Duh!

He correctly figured that idiots cold not handle the truth....as it is NUANCED. The individual insurance market WAS rife with bullshit plans. If the plan you had was worth a shit...and your insurance company did not change it....you could keep it. It turns out that not too many met those criteria.

There...feel better now? Been saying this all along. You must have missed it.

Regardless, your savior and messiah promised repeatedly that anyone satisfied with their plans could keep them. Until the last few weeks, he made no mention of qualifiers. If people are satisfied with their plan, whether the sheeple have been told it's a "crap" plan, does not matter. The published criteria (so far) are so narrowly defined, it comes out to one-size-fits-all bullshit. Well, I suppose that's what socialism is all about. No individuality, no choice other than the choice you are told is available.

Nuance. Big picture. Too deep.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

Yes, we should. But that's not how this atrocity (obamacare) is panning out so far. At my age and reproductive status, why should I have to pay for pre-natal, ob-gyn, or maternity coverage that I will never, ever use?

 

[g5000]

The Right needs to stick to the facts. The facts are more than enough to hang Obama.

Obama emphatically stated you could keep your insurance if you like your plan. He said, "Period" at the end of that promise, which means no qualifiers. And his motive for that willful lie was to reassure the rubes long enough to win re-election.

This is now known to everyone.

But it is a strategic error to now exaggerate that lie. The lie is bad enough without blowing it out of proportion. To claim that 93 million people who have employer sponsored health insurance are going to have their insurance cancelled is to manufacture a lie that overshadows Obama's lie, and thus allows him to wriggle free once again.

Don't do that.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Admit it. You cannot handle truth. You get stuck on the talking points. You are too stupid to understand actuarial tables and how insurance......any insurance...makes you pay for shit you never use. Dummy.

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

There are minimum standards for all of them. Especially auto insurance.

And you wil have to explain that last one.....how would that work? You could opt out of cancer coverage? Is that it?

Minimum standards determined by the States.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Actually, they don't make me. When I buy my auto, home, or life insurance, I get to choose what risks I want covered, and which ones I don't. I even get to choose how big a deductible I want.

We should be buying health insurance the same way.

There are minimum standards for all of them. Especially auto insurance.

And you wil have to explain that last one.....how would that work? You could opt out of cancer coverage? Is that it?

Minimum standards determined by the States.

So?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here's a list of all mandatory health "benefits" that are required for any insurance plan to be acceptable under ACA standards:

All private health insurance plans offered in the Marketplace will offer the same set of essential health benefits. These are services all plans must cover.

The essential health benefits include at least the following items and services:

Ambulatory patient services (outpatient care you get without being admitted to a hospital)
Emergency services
Hospitalization (such as surgery)
Maternity and newborn care (care before and after your baby is born)
Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment (this includes counseling and psychotherapy)
Prescription drugs
Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices (services and devices to help people with injuries, disabilities, or chronic conditions gain or recover mental and physical skills)
Laboratory services
Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
Pediatric services

Unless you're a total nutball cripple who's having, or has, children, a lot of this is superfluous. (As in: not needed.)

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-does-marketplace-health-insurance-cover/

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What did Obama know and when did he know it

 

[g5000]

There are minimum standards for all of them. Especially auto insurance.

And you wil have to explain that last one.....how would that work? You could opt out of cancer coverage? Is that it?

Minimum standards determined by the States.

So?

The more local the government, the more in tune they are with the community's needs and wants.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Right needs to stick to the facts. The facts are more than enough to hang Obama.

Obama emphatically stated you could keep your insurance if you like your plan. He said, "Period" at the end of that promise, which means no qualifiers. And his motive for that willful lie was to reassure the rubes long enough to win re-election.

This is now known to everyone.

But it is a strategic error to now exaggerate that lie. The lie is bad enough without blowing it out of proportion. To claim that 93 million people who have employer sponsored health insurance are going to have their insurance cancelled is to manufacture a lie that overshadows Obama's lie, and thus allows him to wriggle free once again.

Don't do that.

Its Obama's own estimates

 

[g5000]

The Right needs to stick to the facts. The facts are more than enough to hang Obama.

Obama emphatically stated you could keep your insurance if you like your plan. He said, "Period" at the end of that promise, which means no qualifiers. And his motive for that willful lie was to reassure the rubes long enough to win re-election.

This is now known to everyone.

But it is a strategic error to now exaggerate that lie. The lie is bad enough without blowing it out of proportion. To claim that 93 million people who have employer sponsored health insurance are going to have their insurance cancelled is to manufacture a lie that overshadows Obama's lie, and thus allows him to wriggle free once again.

Don't do that.

Its Obama's own estimates

Nope. The Obama Adminstration only calculated how many companies would lose their grandfather status between 2011 and 2013. The 93 million people losing their insurance was manufactured by a former Romney campaign flak. The dipshit assumed every company that lost their grandfather status in the period 2011-2013 would cancel their employees' insurance. How stupid is that?

 

[RandallFlagg]

The Right needs to stick to the facts. The facts are more than enough to hang Obama.

Obama emphatically stated you could keep your insurance if you like your plan. He said, "Period" at the end of that promise, which means no qualifiers. And his motive for that willful lie was to reassure the rubes long enough to win re-election.

This is now known to everyone.

But it is a strategic error to now exaggerate that lie. The lie is bad enough without blowing it out of proportion. To claim that 93 million people who have employer sponsored health insurance are going to have their insurance cancelled is to manufacture a lie that overshadows Obama's lie, and thus allows him to wriggle free once again.

Don't do that.

Its Obama's own estimates

Nope. The Obama Adminstration only calculated how many companies would lose their grandfather status between 2011 and 2013. The 93 million people losing their insurance was manufactured by a former Romney campaign flak. The dipshit assumed every company that lost their grandfather status in the period 2011-2013 would cancel their employees' insurance. How stupid is that?

You are (conveniently) forgetting one VERY important fact. Employers have until next year to comply (again, conveniently) with this horse hockey. Just wait. You ain't seen nothing yet. I predict that 30% of employers will be kicking their employer insurance to the curb. Just wait.

You think folks are raising hell now!?

You ever hear the word "Armegeddon"?? The dems are done. PERIOD. End of story.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even Starkey might have to rethink his staunch defense of ObamaCare