At some point, just admit that Obama knew

[chikenwing]

Both of you go sit in the corner!!

 

[The Rabbi]

The 93MM Figure came from the Obama Administration

Nope. That's a lie on top of the lie. No one ever quoted from any Obama report that 93 million were going to lose their insurance.

It was an extrapolation by an idiot of a report he totally mis-comprehended, parroted by piss guzzling rubes like yourself.

You see? You tards keep on guzzling!

Which part of this do you not understand?

But Carney’s dismissal of the media’s concerns was wrong, on several fronts. Contrary to the reporting of NBC, the administration’s commentary in the Federal Register did not only refer to the individual market, but also the market for employer-sponsored health insurance.

Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The 93MM Figure came from the Obama Administration

Nope. That's a lie on top of the lie. No one ever quoted from any Obama report that 93 million were going to lose their insurance.

It was an extrapolation by an idiot of a report he totally mis-comprehended, parroted by piss guzzling rubes like yourself.

You see? You tards keep on guzzling!

OK You didn't read the Forbes article. Clearly, you're just posting to let everyone know about your Golden shower fetish.

Adios

 

[LordBrownTrout]

.....but insurance premiums are rising next year from 15-37 percent. Thanks obamacare.

And next year when everyone's insurance is not raised 15% to 37% will you come back here and apologize or eat crow or realize that you have been HAD by your right wing media?

States can deny those increases btw.... it happened in my very state, a few years before Obamacare, the insurance companies said they needed to raise their rates by 27% and our State Insurance Commissioner DENIED that increase and settled on 10% increase with the Insurance companies....

I'll gladly eat crow if they don't. It's not a right wing conspiracy though. My insurance company has already raised their premiums this year and has assured me that they will raise them next year to offset the costs of obamacare. Id actually love to save 2500 dollars a year like our president said, but we all know that was a lie.

 

[g5000]

The 93MM Figure came from the Obama Administration

Nope. That's a lie on top of the lie. No one ever quoted from any Obama report that 93 million were going to lose their insurance.

It was an extrapolation by an idiot of a report he totally mis-comprehended, parroted by piss guzzling rubes like yourself.

You see? You tards keep on guzzling!

Which part of this do you not understand?

But Carney’s dismissal of the media’s concerns was wrong, on several fronts. Contrary to the reporting of NBC, the administration’s commentary in the Federal Register did not only refer to the individual market, but also the market for employer-sponsored health insurance.

Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

As I keep explaining and explaining to you morons, the Obama administration was projecting the rate at which company's would lose their grandfather status as the years passed. That's it. It is very simple to understand...you know...if you WANT to understand it.


Unfortunately, right wing partisan retards assumed that when a company loses its grandfather status that it will stop providing insurance. It was an incredibly ignorant and stupid assumption. Not just ignorant and stupid, but wrong.

The Obama Administration did not say that. Their projection of what percentage of companies would lose grandfather protection over time had fuck-all to do with those companies then ceasing to provide insurance.

The retard who wrote an article for Forbes mis-interpreted the meaning of the projection, and you rubes parroted it. With glee. You were cumming in your shorts with happiness that 93 million people were going to lose their insurance.

Your prediction utterly, catastrophically failed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The 93MM Figure came from the Obama Administration

Nope. That's a lie on top of the lie. No one ever quoted from any Obama report that 93 million were going to lose their insurance.

It was an extrapolation by an idiot of a report he totally mis-comprehended, parroted by piss guzzling rubes like yourself.

You see? You tards keep on guzzling!

Put down the cup o' yellow fluid and read the Forbes article that used Obama Administration projections

 

[Pete7469]

.

Well, here's some interesting stuff to chew on. The following piece says the following:

In 2010, HHS projected that 40% to 67% of individual health insurance customers would not be able to keep their plans, due to the tight restrictions of the ACA.

The HHS also projected that 34% to 64% of large plans would lose their grandfather status, and that 49% to 80% of small employers would as well.

Sounds to me like "they knew this".

Other neat little numbers - grandfathered plans would lose their status if they included:

... Increased co-insurance percentages
... Co-payment increases of more than FIVE DOLLARS
... Increased deductibles (hilarious considering the ACA deductibles)
... And more, see link below

And before this link is dismissed as "just a blog", please note it includes multiple sources and links, including the chart below.

At some point, the apologists will hopefully admit that Obama knew he was not telling the truth.

HHS Predicted Much Employer-Backed Health Coverage Wouldn't Survive Obamacare, Either - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Fact Sheet Keeping the Health Plan You Have The Affordable Care Act and Grandfathered Health Plans

I'm going to hold my breath until a liberal finally admits that obozocare isn't what was promised and was a mistake.

 

[BlueGin]

It won't happen, they've dug their heals in will lie about it until they are blue in the face while calling anyone who challenges their lies a liar.

Correct. This crap is the cornerstone of their "boy". Hell, it even has his name attached to it. Barry MUST go down for SOMETHING in history. He is a miserable failure, an incompetent slob and one of the worst president's in American history so he HAS to accomplish at least SOMETHING.

For example: The federal website (as I understand it) hasn't worked for a 24 hour period since it's launch. But you watch. sometime in the near future, they will announce that 30-40 million people have gotten through to sign up and unicorns and rainbows are reigning down on those who have signed up.

I promise you that these thieves and liars will do that.

Front end works. Back end ( behind the scenes processes) are a huge mess.

Less than 11.9 enrolled. A lot of which stopped or never paid their premiums.

 

[The Rabbi]

The 93MM Figure came from the Obama Administration

Nope. That's a lie on top of the lie. No one ever quoted from any Obama report that 93 million were going to lose their insurance.

It was an extrapolation by an idiot of a report he totally mis-comprehended, parroted by piss guzzling rubes like yourself.

You see? You tards keep on guzzling!

Which part of this do you not understand?

But Carney’s dismissal of the media’s concerns was wrong, on several fronts. Contrary to the reporting of NBC, the administration’s commentary in the Federal Register did not only refer to the individual market, but also the market for employer-sponsored health insurance.

Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

As I keep explaining and explaining to you morons, the Obama administration was projecting the rate at which company's would lose their grandfather status as the years passed. That's it. It is very simple to understand...you know...if you WANT to understand it.


Unfortunately, right wing partisan retards assumed that when a company loses its grandfather status that it will stop providing insurance. It was an incredibly ignorant and stupid assumption. Not just ignorant and stupid, but wrong.

The Obama Administration did not say that. Their projection of what percentage of companies would lose grandfather protection over time had fuck-all to do with those companies then ceasing to provide insurance.

The retard who wrote an article for Forbes mis-interpreted the meaning of the projection, and you rubes parroted it. With glee. You were cumming in your shorts with happiness that 93 million people were going to lose their insurance.

Your prediction utterly, catastrophically failed.

Being wrong must really kill you. No, they didnt say X number of people would lose their insurance. They just said that conditions would indicate that X number of people would lose their insurance. Maybe the Easter Bunny would show up instea and hand out premium payments. That would throw a wrench in the calculations.