At stake, not JUST the oval office.....

[Redfish]

totally wrong, a Trump victory would remove the establishment of both parties from control. THAT is why both party bosses fear him. They are afraid of losing power and control.

Kicking the establishment assholes out would be good for America. Trump is the only guy who can and will do that.

Trump cannot win
His current odds of winning are around 20%, Hillary is almost 70%

It will get worse before it gets better

Well shit, lets just crown the bitch now and save all that election money!!! As much as you wish for it, the hildebeast will never be president----------book it.

she is not only a corrupt liar and a criminal she has the early signs of alzheimers and dementia.

As soon as you picked Trump, you might as well have

wrong again, I will vote against HRC, no matter who the GOP puts up.

You can piss in the wind if you want to

How is voting against the hildebeast "pissing in the wind"?

Pissing into the wind is what you libs do, and then you blame someone else when your shoes get wet.

 

[rightwinger]

It seems all they want to do is ridicule and ruin any chance or way for the real workers in this country of ever getting closer to the American dream.
I challenge each and everyone of them to really look into the history of mining and manufacturing and understand the real reason that Unions were and are needed.
The treatment of these workers were nearly next to slavery.
Granted today it isn't as bad but these workers still need a way to protect themselves....immediately on the job and not wait for some bureaucratic intervention.
They are needed too but Unions affords workers the right to safe and healthy working conditions.
It also allows them to make financial gains in the work force.
Its quite ironic that CEO's get a pass when they seek such means but when it is the American worker they are greedy for wanting to earn a livable and substantial wage.
Then the right wingers(teabaggers) say they are all about American values and how they strive to see this country become fiscally on top of the rest of the world.
Maybe for the top 0.01% which is laughable.
Unions forever.!

If that is your best argument then it doesn't hold water.
When CEO's compensation and pay has increased exponentially in the past 20 to 30 yrs while workers wages has stagnated, then you have to look at why their pay has jumped so much.
Taking away the right to collective bargaining only gives CEO's and corporations more of the upper hand.
Something I dont want to ever see happen.
Also, if you have ever worked in any industry where it manufactures something or in the oil fields or a chemical company, you would know full well that safety is sometimes a second thought.
Refusing to go into an unsafe work area, without Union protection, would have someone fired immediately.
If you think that for one instance, without protection from a Union, that you could not be fired for any little reason, you are mistaken.
Workers need Unions today now more than ever.

Right wingers can be really, really stupid or naive when it comes to their bashing of unions.
They often call for LESS government regulations in the work place and, of course, the abolition of unions, thereby relying solely on the "good will" of CEOs and board members to protect workers' safety and provide livable wages...Good luck with that.

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

 

[Redfish]

It seems all they want to do is ridicule and ruin any chance or way for the real workers in this country of ever getting closer to the American dream.
I challenge each and everyone of them to really look into the history of mining and manufacturing and understand the real reason that Unions were and are needed.
The treatment of these workers were nearly next to slavery.
Granted today it isn't as bad but these workers still need a way to protect themselves....immediately on the job and not wait for some bureaucratic intervention.
They are needed too but Unions affords workers the right to safe and healthy working conditions.
It also allows them to make financial gains in the work force.
Its quite ironic that CEO's get a pass when they seek such means but when it is the American worker they are greedy for wanting to earn a livable and substantial wage.
Then the right wingers(teabaggers) say they are all about American values and how they strive to see this country become fiscally on top of the rest of the world.
Maybe for the top 0.01% which is laughable.
Unions forever.!

If that is your best argument then it doesn't hold water.
When CEO's compensation and pay has increased exponentially in the past 20 to 30 yrs while workers wages has stagnated, then you have to look at why their pay has jumped so much.
Taking away the right to collective bargaining only gives CEO's and corporations more of the upper hand.
Something I dont want to ever see happen.
Also, if you have ever worked in any industry where it manufactures something or in the oil fields or a chemical company, you would know full well that safety is sometimes a second thought.
Refusing to go into an unsafe work area, without Union protection, would have someone fired immediately.
If you think that for one instance, without protection from a Union, that you could not be fired for any little reason, you are mistaken.
Workers need Unions today now more than ever.

Right wingers can be really, really stupid or naive when it comes to their bashing of unions.
They often call for LESS government regulations in the work place and, of course, the abolition of unions, thereby relying solely on the "good will" of CEOs and board members to protect workers' safety and provide livable wages...Good luck with that.

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

Unions destroyed the US car industry, the US steel industry, the US textile industry, the US shipbuilding industry, the US tractor industry.

BUT, non-union car companies in the south are doing well, paying good wages and providing good benefits-----------BMW, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai. How can they do that if all employers are evil and are exploiting their workers?

once again, you prove yourself full of shit.

 

[rightwinger]

It seems all they want to do is ridicule and ruin any chance or way for the real workers in this country of ever getting closer to the American dream.
I challenge each and everyone of them to really look into the history of mining and manufacturing and understand the real reason that Unions were and are needed.
The treatment of these workers were nearly next to slavery.
Granted today it isn't as bad but these workers still need a way to protect themselves....immediately on the job and not wait for some bureaucratic intervention.
They are needed too but Unions affords workers the right to safe and healthy working conditions.
It also allows them to make financial gains in the work force.
Its quite ironic that CEO's get a pass when they seek such means but when it is the American worker they are greedy for wanting to earn a livable and substantial wage.
Then the right wingers(teabaggers) say they are all about American values and how they strive to see this country become fiscally on top of the rest of the world.
Maybe for the top 0.01% which is laughable.
Unions forever.!

If that is your best argument then it doesn't hold water.
When CEO's compensation and pay has increased exponentially in the past 20 to 30 yrs while workers wages has stagnated, then you have to look at why their pay has jumped so much.
Taking away the right to collective bargaining only gives CEO's and corporations more of the upper hand.
Something I dont want to ever see happen.
Also, if you have ever worked in any industry where it manufactures something or in the oil fields or a chemical company, you would know full well that safety is sometimes a second thought.
Refusing to go into an unsafe work area, without Union protection, would have someone fired immediately.
If you think that for one instance, without protection from a Union, that you could not be fired for any little reason, you are mistaken.
Workers need Unions today now more than ever.

Right wingers can be really, really stupid or naive when it comes to their bashing of unions.
They often call for LESS government regulations in the work place and, of course, the abolition of unions, thereby relying solely on the "good will" of CEOs and board members to protect workers' safety and provide livable wages...Good luck with that.

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

Unions destroyed the US car industry, the US steel industry, the US textile industry, the US shipbuilding industry, the US tractor industry.

BUT, non-union car companies in the south are doing well, paying good wages and providing good benefits-----------BMW, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai. How can they do that if all employers are evil and are exploiting their workers?

once again, you prove yourself full of shit.

It was not the union workers who were getting rich, it was the executives and shareholders

It is a common threat, we can't survive unless workers accept wage and benefit concessions. Times are tough....work for less. Times are good...work for less

American workers have been forced to accept a smaller and smaller slice of the pie while executive compensation escalates

 

[nat4900]

This thread began with the assertion that the next president will probably nominate 2 or even 3 justices to the SC.

If right wingers (like fishbreath above) really think that a Trump or a Cruz will be the next president, let them...

The reality for sane right winger is that not only a democrat will sit in the oval office, BUT most likely the senate will also switch to a Dem. majority given that Reps will be defending a couple of dozens of those senate seats.

 

[rightwinger]

This thread began with the assertion that the next president will probably nominate 2 or even 3 justices to the SC.

If right wingers (like fishbreath above) really think that a Trump or a Cruz will be the next president, let them...

The reality for sane right winger is that not only a democrat will sit in the oval office, BUT most likely the senate will also switch to a Dem. majority given that Reps will be defending a couple of dozens of those senate seats.

Republicans are fools for passing on Garland...he is the best offer Republicans will get

The next three justices will be much younger and much more liberal

 

[Redfish]

It seems all they want to do is ridicule and ruin any chance or way for the real workers in this country of ever getting closer to the American dream.
I challenge each and everyone of them to really look into the history of mining and manufacturing and understand the real reason that Unions were and are needed.
The treatment of these workers were nearly next to slavery.
Granted today it isn't as bad but these workers still need a way to protect themselves....immediately on the job and not wait for some bureaucratic intervention.
They are needed too but Unions affords workers the right to safe and healthy working conditions.
It also allows them to make financial gains in the work force.
Its quite ironic that CEO's get a pass when they seek such means but when it is the American worker they are greedy for wanting to earn a livable and substantial wage.
Then the right wingers(teabaggers) say they are all about American values and how they strive to see this country become fiscally on top of the rest of the world.
Maybe for the top 0.01% which is laughable.
Unions forever.!

Right wingers can be really, really stupid or naive when it comes to their bashing of unions.
They often call for LESS government regulations in the work place and, of course, the abolition of unions, thereby relying solely on the "good will" of CEOs and board members to protect workers' safety and provide livable wages...Good luck with that.

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

Unions destroyed the US car industry, the US steel industry, the US textile industry, the US shipbuilding industry, the US tractor industry.

BUT, non-union car companies in the south are doing well, paying good wages and providing good benefits-----------BMW, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai. How can they do that if all employers are evil and are exploiting their workers?

once again, you prove yourself full of shit.

It was not the union workers who were getting rich, it was the executives and shareholders

It is a common threat, we can't survive unless workers accept wage and benefit concessions. Times are tough....work for less. Times are good...work for less

American workers have been forced to accept a smaller and smaller slice of the pie while executive compensation escalates

a little truth there, I am not a fan of huge CEO salaries, nor am I a fan of huge paychecks to athletes and entertainers or politicians. Why is it that you on the left only attack business owners in your "they make too much" rants?

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

 

[Redfish]

This thread began with the assertion that the next president will probably nominate 2 or even 3 justices to the SC.

If right wingers (like fishbreath above) really think that a Trump or a Cruz will be the next president, let them...

The reality for sane right winger is that not only a democrat will sit in the oval office, BUT most likely the senate will also switch to a Dem. majority given that Reps will be defending a couple of dozens of those senate seats.

would a one party government make you happy? Do you realize that you are wishing for a dictatorship with no checks and balances?

 

[Redfish]

This thread began with the assertion that the next president will probably nominate 2 or even 3 justices to the SC.

If right wingers (like fishbreath above) really think that a Trump or a Cruz will be the next president, let them...

The reality for sane right winger is that not only a democrat will sit in the oval office, BUT most likely the senate will also switch to a Dem. majority given that Reps will be defending a couple of dozens of those senate seats.

Republicans are fools for passing on Garland...he is the best offer Republicans will get

The next three justices will be much younger and much more liberal

can you use your crystal ball to predict the stock market too?

Garland is anti 2nd amendment, he would have no chance of being confirmed. Why waste the time?

 

[nat4900]

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

The above IS the main reason why I am against a Clinton presidency...no argument from me.

However, Clinton stands the best chance of being in the oval office....I wish it weren't so, but reality is what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

It seems all they want to do is ridicule and ruin any chance or way for the real workers in this country of ever getting closer to the American dream.
I challenge each and everyone of them to really look into the history of mining and manufacturing and understand the real reason that Unions were and are needed.
The treatment of these workers were nearly next to slavery.
Granted today it isn't as bad but these workers still need a way to protect themselves....immediately on the job and not wait for some bureaucratic intervention.
They are needed too but Unions affords workers the right to safe and healthy working conditions.
It also allows them to make financial gains in the work force.
Its quite ironic that CEO's get a pass when they seek such means but when it is the American worker they are greedy for wanting to earn a livable and substantial wage.
Then the right wingers(teabaggers) say they are all about American values and how they strive to see this country become fiscally on top of the rest of the world.
Maybe for the top 0.01% which is laughable.
Unions forever.!

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

Unions destroyed the US car industry, the US steel industry, the US textile industry, the US shipbuilding industry, the US tractor industry.

BUT, non-union car companies in the south are doing well, paying good wages and providing good benefits-----------BMW, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai. How can they do that if all employers are evil and are exploiting their workers?

once again, you prove yourself full of shit.

It was not the union workers who were getting rich, it was the executives and shareholders

It is a common threat, we can't survive unless workers accept wage and benefit concessions. Times are tough....work for less. Times are good...work for less

American workers have been forced to accept a smaller and smaller slice of the pie while executive compensation escalates

a little truth there, I am not a fan of huge CEO salaries, nor am I a fan of huge paychecks to athletes and entertainers or politicians. Why is it that you on the left only attack business owners in your "they make too much" rants?

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

I don't attack all business owners. If you operate on a slim profit margin and higher wages would kill you, I understand demands for lower wages

But corporations are seeing record profits, executive pay is obscene. Workers create wealth only they are seeing less and less of it

 

[Redfish]

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

The above IS the main reason why I am against a Clinton presidency...no argument from me.

However, Clinton stands the best chance of being in the oval office....I wish it weren't so, but reality is what it is.

then why do you constantly support the worst possible candidate? Is the D behind a name the only thing that matters to you? I just do not understand that kind of thinking.

 

[rightwinger]

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

The above IS the main reason why I am against a Clinton presidency...no argument from me.

However, Clinton stands the best chance of being in the oval office....I wish it weren't so, but reality is what it is.

When Clinton gets $650,000 for a speech it is because she is an entertainer. People pay for entertainers whether it is an athlete, singer or political speech maker

Since it is discretionary to pay or not, I don't really care what they make

 

[nat4900]

Garland is anti 2nd amendment, he would have no chance of being confirmed. Why waste the time?

Garland was nominated by Obama to simply show the American voter just how out of step and anti-Constitution republican senators have become based on their Obama-hatred. Garland is a nearly "perfect" candidate and a bit too moderate for progressives.........In my opinion, Obama nominated him to drive in the last nail in the coffin of a GOP loss in the senate.

 

[Redfish]

what a moronic post. Unions are your salvation???? are you completely crazy? The union bosses are taking your money and putting it in their pockets and the pockets of corrupt politicians who protect the union bosses.

We have laws to protect workers today, Unions are nothing but a collection agency for the DNC.

Unions are our salvation, only we have been convinced otherwise

When we had strong unions, workers got a wage they could live off of, fair treatment on the job, benefits, healthcare. Union workers didn't get rich, but they could support their families and someday retire

Now that it is every man for himself, workers are scared, they work for bare minimum or risk getting fired.

Unions destroyed the US car industry, the US steel industry, the US textile industry, the US shipbuilding industry, the US tractor industry.

BUT, non-union car companies in the south are doing well, paying good wages and providing good benefits-----------BMW, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Kia, Hyundai. How can they do that if all employers are evil and are exploiting their workers?

once again, you prove yourself full of shit.

It was not the union workers who were getting rich, it was the executives and shareholders

It is a common threat, we can't survive unless workers accept wage and benefit concessions. Times are tough....work for less. Times are good...work for less

American workers have been forced to accept a smaller and smaller slice of the pie while executive compensation escalates

a little truth there, I am not a fan of huge CEO salaries, nor am I a fan of huge paychecks to athletes and entertainers or politicians. Why is it that you on the left only attack business owners in your "they make too much" rants?

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

I don't attack all business owners. If you operate on a slim profit margin and higher wages would kill you, I understand demands for lower wages

But corporations are seeing record profits, executive pay is obscene. Workers create wealth only they are seeing less and less of it

SOME businesses are seeing record profits--------------like big pharma, software companies, Apple, Facebook, etc. Those companies take very good care of their employees. The small businesses are the ones being destroyed by obozocare and will no longer exist if a $15 minimum wage is forced on them.

Why do you support policies that would destroy small businesses?

 

[Redfish]

why don't you bitch about the Clintons getting $650,000 for giving a 15 minute speech to a wall street firm? Why don't you complain about that form of legal bribery?

The above IS the main reason why I am against a Clinton presidency...no argument from me.

However, Clinton stands the best chance of being in the oval office....I wish it weren't so, but reality is what it is.

When Clinton gets $650,000 for a speech it is because she is an entertainer. People pay for entertainers whether it is an athlete, singer or political speech maker

Since it is discretionary to pay or not, I don't really care what they make

LOL, the Clintons take that money in exchange for favors, not to entertain a bunch of wall street assholes wearing Armani suits.

you cannot be that naïve.

 

[nat4900]

then why do you constantly support the worst possible candidate? Is the D behind a name the only thing that matters to you? I just do not understand that kind of thinking.

No, far from a D after Clinton's name.......had the GOP really backed a Kasich, I'd have a hard time choosing my vote; but, instead your party is going for a clown and a zealot......In the long run the GOP is actually making my choice clear.

 

[Redfish]

Garland is anti 2nd amendment, he would have no chance of being confirmed. Why waste the time?

Garland was nominated by Obama to simply show the American voter just how out of step and anti-Constitution republican senators have become based on their Obama-hatred. Garland is a nearly "perfect" candidate and a bit too moderate for progressives.........In my opinion, Obama nominated him to drive in the last nail in the coffin of a GOP loss in the senate.

you are a funny dude, or dudette. where do you get this crap?

 

[Redfish]

then why do you constantly support the worst possible candidate? Is the D behind a name the only thing that matters to you? I just do not understand that kind of thinking.

No, far from a D after Clinton's name.......had the GOP really backed a Kasich, I'd have a hard time choosing my vote; but, instead your party is going for a clown and a zealot......In the long run the GOP is actually making my choice clear.

If you think HRC is the best candidate for the future of the country, then by all means, vote for her.

Then you will deserve what happens to you.

 

[nat4900]

would a one party government make you happy? Do you realize that you are wishing for a dictatorship with no checks and balances?

How you arrived to the above "conclusion" is beyond me........My contention is that after this election cycle, a SANER GOP will have to emerge to mitigate the party's heavy losses.....For more than 7 years, the GOP stance has been nothing but an obstructive, hate-filled party........Enough.