At what point will partisans realize that sexual misconduct is not a political issue?

[initforme]

I would bet a huge amount that 75 percent of all elected officials have pulled this stuff and I am talking both parties. The higher the level the higher the percentage.

 

[JoeMoma]

While I do realize that many people view pretty much everything through a partisan political lens, watching the ends of the spectrum trade gotchas with each other on all these stories coming out is getting funny.

Do you think we are capable of separating the topic of sexual misconduct from partisan politics?

Are there any other topics that we're capable of separating from partisan politics?

Or is everything going to remain a simplistic Left vs. Right slap fight?
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When both sides are guilty of sexual misconduct and both sides weaponize the indiscretions of their opponents for political gain, it becomes part of partisan politics.

 

[Mac1958]

I would bet a huge amount that 75 percent of all elected officials have pulled this stuff and I am talking both parties. The higher the level the higher the percentage.

When both sides are guilty of sexual misconduct and both sides weaponize the indiscretions of their opponents for political gain, it becomes part of partisan politics.

Agreed and agreed.
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[JoeB131]

I didn't realize you were that lost. I was talking about Bill.....you know.....the guy YOU brought up.

I was talking about Hillary, the person you said was guilty of all sorts of stuff, but Starr never laid a glove on her, and he tried pretty hard.

Anybody would get fired except a Democrat politician. Watch.......when this Moore thing blows over, Franken will stay there until the end of his term.

Here's the thing. He wasn't a Democratic Politician when this happened. So I guess if Tweeden had complained to the USO, they might not have invited Franken on future tours. But she didn't. probably because she was engaged in a lot of grabass herself on the tour.

Sure he did. You can't throw somebody in prison for not talking. It doesn't matter if it was consensual. It was indisputable evidence of what Bill Clinton did. There is nothing even close to that with Moore.

Clinton had a sexual relationship with a consenting partner. That's not against the law, last time I checked.

But, yeah, Ken Starr did throw people in prison for not testifying the way he wanted. Look up a lady named Julie Hyatt Steele. She refused to corroborate the account of Kathleen Willey, and Starr threw her in jail. He also threw Susan McDougal in jail for refusing to spill the beans on Clinton.

Now, this was the SAME Ken Starr who hid REAL evidence of rape when he was president of Baylor University, because it might hurt the schools sports program.

 

[beagle9]

It's funny how it's assumed that Monica was set up by Linda Tripp when it could have been the other way around. Monica might have figured that she could break the Clinton's marriage up over the issue (destroy Bill Clinton), and so she tells Tripp about the dress in hopes for Tripp to do exactly what she did afterwards. Who knows the mind of a woman scorned right ? How many times has Hollywood writers written scripts, and placed them into movies where the senario is played out over and over again, yet no one accuses Hollywood of having a war on women ? Why because the senarios are based on actual accounts ??

 

[beagle9]

I didn't realize you were that lost. I was talking about Bill.....you know.....the guy YOU brought up.

I was talking about Hillary, the person you said was guilty of all sorts of stuff, but Starr never laid a glove on her, and he tried pretty hard.

Anybody would get fired except a Democrat politician. Watch.......when this Moore thing blows over, Franken will stay there until the end of his term.

Here's the thing. He wasn't a Democratic Politician when this happened. So I guess if Tweeden had complained to the USO, they might not have invited Franken on future tours. But she didn't. probably because she was engaged in a lot of grabass herself on the tour.

Sure he did. You can't throw somebody in prison for not talking. It doesn't matter if it was consensual. It was indisputable evidence of what Bill Clinton did. There is nothing even close to that with Moore.

Clinton had a sexual relationship with a consenting partner. That's not against the law, last time I checked.

But, yeah, Ken Starr did throw people in prison for not testifying the way he wanted. Look up a lady named Julie Hyatt Steele. She refused to corroborate the account of Kathleen Willey, and Starr threw her in jail. He also threw Susan McDougal in jail for refusing to spill the beans on Clinton.

Now, this was the SAME Ken Starr who hid REAL evidence of rape when he was president of Baylor University, because it might hurt the schools sports program.

. Start was after Hillary ?? Are you on crack ?

 

[JoeB131]

I would bet a huge amount that 75 percent of all elected officials have pulled this stuff and I am talking both parties. The higher the level the higher the percentage.

Here's where i think the problem is, where is the line really crossed?

Now, not to sound like Mac whining about the PC Police, but the fact is, we do have an atmosphere were we all constantly self-edit, all the time, because how someone might take something.

when telling a dirty joke is just as likely to get you fired as stalking a female coworker, how do you really judge what is and isn't appropriate?

 

[JoeB131]

Start was after Hillary ?? Are you on crack ?

I'm not sure who "Start" was.

But Ken Starr started investigating Whitewater, his investigation eventually include the death of Vince Foster (Hillary's friend), the Rose Law Firm (where Hillary worked), the Travel Office firings (which Hillary instigated, because she wanted their people in those jobs).

And after spending all that money, he couldn't find anything she did wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

It's funny how it's assumed that Monica was set up by Linda Tripp when it could have been the other way around. Monica might have figured that she could break the Clinton's marriage up over the issue (destroy Bill Clinton), and so she tells Tripp about the dress in hopes for Tripp to do exactly what she did afterwards. Who knows the mind of a woman scorned right ? How many times has Hollywood writers written scripts, and placed them into movies where the senario is played out over and over again, yet no one accuses Hollywood of having a war on women ? Why because the senarios are based on actual accounts ??

Or maybe Monica told Tripp because women love to gossip.

I don't think Monica had any illusions Bill was going to leave his wife for her.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's funny how it's assumed that Monica was set up by Linda Tripp when it could have been the other way around. Monica might have figured that she could break the Clinton's marriage up over the issue (destroy Bill Clinton), and so she tells Tripp about the dress in hopes for Tripp to do exactly what she did afterwards. Who knows the mind of a woman scorned right ? How many times has Hollywood writers written scripts, and placed them into movies where the senario is played out over and over again, yet no one accuses Hollywood of having a war on women ? Why because the senarios are based on actual accounts ??

Either that or it's the way Clinton addressed the situation. You know "I did not have sex with that woman.......................Ms Lewinsky." Sounded to me like he almost forgot who she was. Pretty insulting, especially if Monica figured she had some impact on his feelings. Women take offense to having sex with a man and then being referred to as "that woman." Almost like she was a hooker or something.

 

[LoneLaugher]

While I do realize that many people view pretty much everything through a partisan political lens, watching the ends of the spectrum trade gotchas with each other on all these stories coming out is getting funny.

Do you think we are capable of separating the topic of sexual misconduct from partisan politics?

Are there any other topics that we're capable of separating from partisan politics?

Or is everything going to remain a simplistic Left vs. Right slap fight?
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Who are you talking about?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I was talking about Hillary, the person you said was guilty of all sorts of stuff, but Starr never laid a glove on her, and he tried pretty hard.

No, you said both. Didn't you watch the video? Hillary was guilty of all sorts of stuff. For crying out loud, after her server was subpoenaed by the US Congress, not only didn't she immediately turn it over, she had it bleach bitted.

Here's the thing. He wasn't a Democratic Politician when this happened. So I guess if Tweeden had complained to the USO, they might not have invited Franken on future tours. But she didn't. probably because she was engaged in a lot of grabass herself on the tour.

Really? So what guy ever complained about her grabbing them?

Moore's supposed actions took place over 30 years ago; long before he decided to run for the Senate. And he was a Democrat to boot.

Clinton had a sexual relationship with a consenting partner. That's not against the law, last time I checked.

No it isn't, but lying under oath about it in a hearing is. That's how he lost his law license.

 

[JoeMoma]

It's funny how it's assumed that Monica was set up by Linda Tripp when it could have been the other way around. Monica might have figured that she could break the Clinton's marriage up over the issue (destroy Bill Clinton), and so she tells Tripp about the dress in hopes for Tripp to do exactly what she did afterwards. Who knows the mind of a woman scorned right ? How many times has Hollywood writers written scripts, and placed them into movies where the senario is played out over and over again, yet no one accuses Hollywood of having a war on women ? Why because the senarios are based on actual accounts ??

Either that or it's the way Clinton addressed the situation. You know "I did not have sex with that woman.......................Ms Lewinsky." Sounded to me like he almost forgot who she was. Pretty insulting, especially if Monica figured she had some impact on his feelings. Women take offense to having sex with a man and then being referred to as "that woman." Almost like she was a hooker or something.

The chief executive had oral sex with an intern that he had huge power and influence over at the work place. So it was just a personal issue.

That being said, I do take issue with special counselors / prosecutors having infinite ability to expand their investigations into anything and everything.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's funny how it's assumed that Monica was set up by Linda Tripp when it could have been the other way around. Monica might have figured that she could break the Clinton's marriage up over the issue (destroy Bill Clinton), and so she tells Tripp about the dress in hopes for Tripp to do exactly what she did afterwards. Who knows the mind of a woman scorned right ? How many times has Hollywood writers written scripts, and placed them into movies where the senario is played out over and over again, yet no one accuses Hollywood of having a war on women ? Why because the senarios are based on actual accounts ??

Either that or it's the way Clinton addressed the situation. You know "I did not have sex with that woman.......................Ms Lewinsky." Sounded to me like he almost forgot who she was. Pretty insulting, especially if Monica figured she had some impact on his feelings. Women take offense to having sex with a man and then being referred to as "that woman." Almost like she was a hooker or something.

The chief executive had oral sex with an intern that he had huge power and influence over at the work place. So it was just a personal issue.

That being said, I do take issue with special counselors / prosecutors having infinite ability to expand their investigations into anything and everything.

That wouldn't have been necessary if Clinton just manned up. All Jones was looking for was an apology. Instead, she was insulted on national television. You know "If you drag a dollar bill through any trailer park???"

With a simple admission of guilt, there would have been no Monica Lewinsky.

 

[JoeB131]

Hillary was guilty of all sorts of stuff. For crying out loud, after her server was subpoenaed by the US Congress, not only didn't she immediately turn it over, she had it bleach bitted.

It was her property. Not seeing a problem here.

Really? So what guy ever complained about her grabbing them?

That was the point, no one complained at the time, even her, because it was one big game of grab-ass.

But now she dresses up like a school marm and says how offended she was.

No it isn't, but lying under oath about it in a hearing is. That's how he lost his law license.

You mean the law license he hadn't used in 20 years... um, yeah, big deal. Maybe if they also got his fishing license, you guys would be crowing about that.

Worth 70 million dollars? Meh, it wasn't like the FBI could have spent that 70 million dollars trying to root out terrorist rings in the US. I mean, what was the worst that could happen by putting sex scandals over rooting out terrorists...

Oh, Shit, yeah... I'm glad we had our priorities right in the 1990's... and we got Clinton's law license he wasn't using revoked instead of stopping this from happening.

 

[JoeB131]

That wouldn't have been necessary if Clinton just manned up. All Jones was looking for was an apology. Instead, she was insulted on national television. You know "If you drag a dollar bill through any trailer park???"

Why apologize to a liar?

Paula Jones is a lying sack of shit. She claimed that Clinton's junk had a distinguishing characteristic. His medical records say it doesn't.

Paula Jones Lied.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That wouldn't have been necessary if Clinton just manned up. All Jones was looking for was an apology. Instead, she was insulted on national television. You know "If you drag a dollar bill through any trailer park???"

Why apologize to a liar?

Paula Jones is a lying sack of shit. She claimed that Clinton's junk had a distinguishing characteristic. His medical records say it doesn't.

Paula Jones Lied.

Right, because Clinton was never known for lying.

WTF would she say something like that if it wasn't true? What about the State Trooper that escorted her to Clinton by his request? Was he lying too?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It was her property. Not seeing a problem here.

Her property contained evidence of criminal activity. Any civilian would have been sent to prison over the same thing.

That was the point, no one complained at the time, even her, because it was one big game of grab-ass.

But now she dresses up like a school marm and says how offended she was.

Oh, you mean the same way Moore's accusers are?

You mean the law license he hadn't used in 20 years... um, yeah, big deal. Maybe if they also got his fishing license, you guys would be crowing about that.

Worth 70 million dollars? Meh, it wasn't like the FBI could have spent that 70 million dollars trying to root out terrorist rings in the US. I mean, what was the worst that could happen by putting sex scandals over rooting out terrorists...

Oh, Shit, yeah... I'm glad we had our priorities right in the 1990's... and we got Clinton's law license he wasn't using revoked instead of stopping this from happening.

Oh please, now you are just displaying your desperation. You are going to try and make the stretch that 911 happened because we were spending money on Clinton instead? Well if that's how it works, then maybe you can get behind the defunding of Planned Parenthood, NPR, PBS, and various useless bureaucracies so we can put more money towards terrorism in the future.

 

[Papageorgio]

If all these investigations, allegations were about finding the truth, then I’d be all for them, the reality is, it’s all for political gain. It has nothing to do the truth or the victims, it’s about one upping the other party. It’s a very ugly side of politics.

 

[Mac1958]

If all these investigations, allegations were about finding the truth, then I’d be all for them, the reality is, it’s all for political gain. It has nothing to do the truth or the victims, it’s about one upping the other party. It’s a very ugly side of politics.

Yep. The insulting part is that so many deny it.

Or try to.

Come on.


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